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saleem7 wrote:
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Can someone explain these characters in depth for me


I have never heard of "al-hart" before. As for "al-mansoor", there seem to be 2 personalities with that same title.

To explain the Mansoor, I shall reference ahadith, which basically explain it themselves:

Narrated 'Ali son of Abu Talib:

“The Prophet said, ‘A man named al-Harith son of Hirath will come from Transoxania. His army will be led by a man named Mansoor. He will be pave the way for and establish the government of the family of Muhammad, just as the Quraysh established the government of the Messenger of Allah. Every believer will be obliged to support them.’”

(Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 36, No. 4277)

Muhammad, son of Al Hanaffia, said:

"The Black Banners will come out for the children of Al Abbas. The other black banners will come from Khurasan. Their turbans will be black and their clothes white. At their front will be a man named Shuayb, the son of Salih, from Tamim. They will defeat the companions of The Sufyaani until he comes to the House of Jerusalem where he will establish his power for the Mahdi, and he will be supplied with three hundred (men) from Syria after his arrival and the matter will be settled for the Mahdi in seventy-two months (six years)."


(Nu'aym bin Hammad's Kitab al-Fitan)

Abi Ja'far said:

"A young man from Bani Hashim with a mark in the palm of his right hand comes out from Khorasan with black banners. Between his hands will be Shuayb bin Salih. He fights the followers of the Sufyani and defeats them."

(Nu'aym bin Hammad's Kitab Al-Fitan)

Al Hasan Al Basri said:

"A man of medium stature will come from Ar-Ray (a far-eastern town). He will be dark and from the children of Tamim -- a Wasaj, named Shuayb son of Salih with four thousand men. Their clothes will be white and Banners black, and at his front is the Mahdi. He meets no one that he does not defeat and scatter."

(Nu'aym bin Hammad's Kitab Al-Fitan)

While this Mansoor seems to descend from the Tamim tribe, there is another Mansoor that seems to descend from the Hashim clan:

'Abdullah, the son of Abbas, may Allah be pleased with both of them, said to Mujahid: "If I had not heard that you are like the people of this House I would never tell you this."
Whereupon Mujahid said: "It is surely in secret, I will not mention it to someone you hate."
So Ibn Abbas told him: "There are four people from the House, from us is As-Saffah, and from us Al Mundhir, and from us the Mansoor, and from us is the Mahdi."
So Mujahid said: "Clarify these four for me."
He answered: "As for As-Saffah, perhaps he will kill his supporters and forgive his enemy. Al Mundhir will give away plenty of wealth, he will be humble and keep but a little of his rights. The Mansoor, will be given victory over his enemy and part of what was given to the Messenger of Allah, praise and peace be upon him, and that is that his enemies were frightened away from him the traveling distance of two months, whereas the enemy of the Mansoor will be frightened away from him the traveling distance of one month. The Mahdi will fill the earth with justice just as it has been filled with transgression -- livestock and foxes will live together peacefully. And the earth will bring forth that which is hidden from its depths -- they look like cylinders of gold or silver."

In another narration, this other Mansoor seems to be identified as a post-Mahdi figure:

Narrated from az-Zuhri:

"The Mahdi will die a normal death, then after him the people will fall into trials. A man from Banu Makhzum will come to them, be given the bay'ah, and he will remain for some time. Then he will withhold people's provision, and will find no-one daring to object. Then he will withhold people's pensions, and will again find no-one daring to object.

He will settle in Bayt al-Maqdis, and he and his companions will become very immoral and disreputable. Their women will walk in sandals decorated with gold and in garments that do not cover them, and no-one will dare object to it.

He will order the expulsion of the people of Yemen: Qudha'ah, Mudhhaj, Hamdan, Himyar, al-Azd, Ghassan, and everyone else who is said to be from Yemen. He will drive them out until they settle in the woods of Palestine, where groups from Judays, Lakhm, Judham, and the people from those mountains will bring them food and drink and provide relief for them, as Yusuf was a means of relieving his brothers.

Then a caller from the sky, neither human nor jinn, will announce: "Give the bay'ah to so-and-so, and do not turn back on your heels after emigrating." So they will look, but they will not know who called. He will announce it again three times. Then they will give the bay'ah to the Mansoor, who will send a delegation of ten men to the Makhzumi, who will kill nine of them and leave one. Then he will send five, and he will kill four and let one go. Then he will send three, and he will kill two and leave one. Then he [i.e. the Mansoor] will go to him [i.e. the Makhzumi], and Allah will make him victorious over him. Allah will cause him [i.e. the Makhzumi] to be killed as well as those with him, and none will escape except those who flee. He will not leave a single Qurayshi without killing him, so that if one were to look for a single Qurashi he would not find one, as today one might look for a man from Jurhum and similarly no find him. Likewise will Quraysh be killed, until none of them are found afterwards."


(Nu'aym ibn Hammad, Kitab al-Fitan, No. 121)

Where is "al-Hart" mentioned?

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Thanks for the info and regarding hart is seemed to have miss spelled it and you mentioned his name in the first hadith.e
Prophet said, ‘A man named al-Harith son of Hirath will come from Transoxania. His army will be led by a man named Mansoor. He will be pave the way for and establish the government of the family of Muhammad, just as the Quraysh established the government of the Messenger of Allah. Every believer will be obliged to support them.’”

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saleem7 wrote:
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Thanks for the info and regarding hart is seemed to have miss spelled it and you mentioned his name in the first hadith.e
Prophet said, ‘A man named al-Harith son of Hirath will come from Transoxania. His army will be led by a man named Mansoor. He will be pave the way for and establish the government of the family of Muhammad, just as the Quraysh established the government of the Messenger of Allah. Every believer will be obliged to support them.’”


You are welcome. You had me concerned for a second that there was another figure I hadn't heard about. Thanks for clarifying.

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