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Due to the strange nature of the island when it comes to time, I would not entirely dismiss the strange nature of it in regards to place. To say otherwise would only be from an ignoramus and someone who is not very intelectual and goes though his life without much pondering over things.

Look at this, if you will:

The line I drew from madagascar to australia, imagine that line being a string. Now the island (or perhaps islands..) could be in some kind of quantum flux and vibrate between locations and time (not trying to go quantum physics here). What was 30 days for tamim could have been minutes but on the other hand could have been decenia. What could have been in indian ocean could have been just for the coast of brittain.. It is not that strange that Dajjal must have inquired regarding the Prophet sallallahu wa aleihi wasalam, because he does not even know in what time (and presumably space) he is. I also find it interesting to note about his demise, him being 'molten' by the sword of 'Isa a.s. Molten as in some watery substance? This is not an attribute of man, angel or jinn, so what is it? We know that the ocean is made of water? What is his connection with water? Davy Jones anyone?

I think we are as puzzled as the followers of Dajjal as to where his island (s?) is. Him being chained does not mean his place being chained.

We have advantage being in the pressence of particular auilya who receive Ilham. My guess would be to monitor the indian ocean, monitor it's places where the ocean emmits most energy (I believe it to be on the 19,5 angle) and search for it's properties. Should we consider possible jinn brought technology which instigated nucleair tests on oceans in the equeation?

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Diego Garcia and the rest of the Chagos islands were uninhabited until the late 18th century. In 1778 (2 years after Illuminati is formed)the French Governor of Mauritius granted Monsieur Dupuit de la Faye the island of Diego Garcia, and there is evidence of temporary French visits to collect coconuts and fish. Several Frenchmen living in "a dozen huts" abandoned Diego Garcia when the British East India Company attempted to establish a settlement there in April 1786. The supplies of the 275 settlers were overwhelmed by 250 survivors of the wreck of the British East Indian Ship ATLAS in May, and the colony failed in October. Following the departure of the British, the French colony of Mauritius began marooning lepers on Diego Garcia, and in 1793 the French established a coconut plantation using slave labour, which also exported cordage made from coconut fiber, and sea cucumbers, known as a delicacy in the orient.


Look again,

......this is the plight of the natives - totally disavowed.....I already ran this on the Delving Deeper into Dajjal thread, but the links keep changing or unlinked [removed from Youtube], the documentary is aptly called 'STEALING A NATION':



[Like I said putting Israhell into shame - at least the Palestinians are still there hanging tight on their land....these people, were literally shipped out....down to the last man]

Published on Apr 12, 2012 by HalimiDiffusion
'Stealing A Nation' (2004) is an extraordinary film about the plight of the Chagos Islands, whose indigenous population was secretly and brutally expelled by British Governments in the late 1960s and early 1970s to make way for an American military base. The tragedy, which falls within the remit of the International Criminal Court as "a crime against humanity", is told by Islanders who were dumped in the slums of Mauritius and by British officials who left behind a damning trail of Foreign Office documents.

Before the Americans came, more than 2,000 people lived on the islands in the Indian Ocean, many with roots back to the late 18th century. There were thriving villages, a school, a hospital, a church, a railway and an undisturbed way of life. The islands were, and still are, a British crown colony. In the 1960s, the government of Harold Wilson struck a secret deal with the United States to hand over the main island of Diego Garcia. The Americans demanded that the surrounding islands be "swept" and "sanitized". Unknown to Parliament and to the US Congress and in breach of the United Nations Charter, the British Government plotted with Washington to expel the entire population.

After demonstrating on the streets of Mauritius in 1982, the exiled islanders were given the derisory compensation of less than £3,000 per person by the British government. In the film, former inhabitants Rita Bancoult and Charlesia Alexis tell of how, in accepting the money, they were tricked into signing away their right to return home: "It was entirely improper, unethical, dictatorial to have the Chagossian put their thumbprint on an English legal, drafted document, where the Chagossian, who doesn't read, know or speak any English, let alone any legal English, is made to renounce basically all his rights as a human being."

Today, the main island of Diego Garcia is America's largest military base in the world, outside the US. There are more than 4,000 troops, two bomber runways, thirty warships and a satellite spy station. The Pentagon calls it an "indispensable platform" for policing the world. It was used as a launch pad for the invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq.

The truth about the removal of the Chagossians and the Whitehall conspiracy to deny there was an indigenous population did not emerge for another twenty years, when files were unearthed at the Public Record Office, in Kew, by the historian Mark Curtis, John Pilger and lawyers for the former inhabitants of the coral archipelago, who were campaigning for a return to their homeland.

John Pilger first become aware of the plight of the Chagossians in 1982, during the Falklands War: "It was pointed out to me that Britain had sent a fleet to go and save two thousand Falkland Islanders at the other end of the world while two thousand British citizens in islands in the middle of the Indian Ocean had been expelled by British governments and the only difference was that one lot were white and the others were black. The other difference was that the United States wanted the Chagos Islands - and especially Diego Garcia - as a major base. So nothing was said, which tells us something about the ruthlessness of governments, especially imperial governments."

In June 2004, shortly before Stealing a Nation's television screening, the British Government had issued an order-in-council, a royal decree using archaic powers invested in the Queen, bypassing Parliament and the High Court, to ban the Islanders from ever returning home. "The Queen rubber-stamps what in many cases politicians know they can't get away with democratically," said Pilger. "Dictators do this, but without the quaint ritual."

In May 2006, the High Court finally ruled that the Chagossians were entitled to return to their homeland. However, in the summer of 2008, David Miliband and the Foreign Office began another appeal, to the Law Lords, against the High Court's judgements. They found in favour of the Government.

In April 2010, the British Government established a marine nature reserve around the Chagos Islands. Several months later, WikiLeaks published a US Embassy diplomatic cable from 2009 which read as follows: "Establishing a marine reserve might indeed, as the FCO's [Colin] Roberts stated, be the most effective long-term way to prevent any of the Chagos Islands' former inhabitants or descendants from resettling in the [British Indian Ocean Territory]."

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Fragments of ancient continent buried under Indian Ocean

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21551149


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....never mind these wandering / floating continents grand fables; look at what the Tsunami buoys are telling about the sea floor around this area... :shock:



The story line: for the last 3 years or so, they assumed the buoy was faulty due to some strange & 'erroneous' readings; they switched it off....and then on again....only to see the data stream resuming where it left off.

THE SEA FLOOR IS DEFINITELY RISING - RAPIDLY!


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Assalamu Alaikum,

Dont be mad at me for bringing this thread up again :angel:

Reading all your posts gave rise to the following questions in me. Here we go,

1) What type of Ship was used by Tamim Dari radiallahu anhu and his companions?
2) What will be the average speed of the ship if its stuck in storm and being carried away by winds?

We can do scientific calculations with question 2, only if we know the size and type of ship used be Tamim Dari r.a and his Companions (question 1).

Our guessing in sha Allah, can be narrowed down with the reply for the above 2 questions.


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With a wind from the right direction, a speed of between 4½ and 6 knots could be realized on a pirate ship from the early to middle ages (not much in ship design had changed so nothing to worry about for that period in that sense - phew).

To put that speed stat into perspective bro riz, it averages out at around 4000 nautical miles in 30 days.

That would bring Tamin and crew from the Gulf, to one of the Indian Ocean's many many islands.

And Allah knows best.


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So, If the speed of the ship is anywhere between 4.5 knots to 6 knots, Remember that the Ship is not stopped anywhere and its been in a journey for every sec of the 40 days, then

4.5 knots (8.334) * 40 days = 8000.64 km distance covered
5 knots (9.26 KM her hour) * 40 days = 8889.6 km distance covered
6 knots (11.11 km per hour) * 40 days = 10665.6 km distance covered

Any where between these 3 calculation in sha allah, that the wind would take the ship
to indian ocean unless Allah had performed Miracle and took them to some part other than
indian ocean.

Lets say, the average distance was somewhere about 9000 km - 9500 km.

To corelate with todays mapping, the distance between Tianjin (Tianjin,China) to Melbourne (Victoria,Australia) is 9015.33 km.

http://distancecalculator.globefeed.com ... ulator.asp

Attachment:
tianjin and melbource.jpg


And if Tamim Dari r.a, has started from arabia with the people from Banu Lakhm and Banu Judham towards east Allah knows best, then the map would be some where around

Attachment:
Anywhere.jpg



And if Tamim Dari r.a, has started from arabia with the people from Banu Lakhm and Banu Judham towards west Allah knows best, then the map would be some where around

Attachment:
possiblity 2.jpg


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On Second thoughts, the subject matter will not do us any good.

The hadith speaks about 40 days in sea whereas we are not sure how long the ship was in sea before the storm hit them and how long there were caught in the storm.

If for sake of argument, they were caught in 40 days in storm, then how many days were they sailing in sea before it?

Perhaps, the storm lead them to the mysterious island of Dajjal.

Also, if we think we could trace Dajjal by tracing the path of Tamim Dari r.a and his crew , then its a shame to think this way because even after hearing it, Prophet Muhammed pbuh, did not send any crew in search of Dajjal island.

We knew from other narrations that there were a group of people always looking out of dajjal in prophets time period. They searched dajjal only in land which indirectly tells us Dajjal cannot be found by tracing the path of the ship.

Sorry folks, to have raised questions on ship journey.

I think, we are following the path of Banu Israel, on how, where, which, when logic and its not recommended in Islam :( to do such unrelated questions.


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understandingpresent wrote:
So, If the speed of the ship is anywhere between 4.5 knots to 6 knots, Remember that the Ship is not stopped anywhere and its been in a journey for every sec of the 40 days, then

4.5 knots (8.334) * 40 days = 8000.64 kilometer per hour
5 knots (9.26 KM her hour) * 40 days = 8889.6 kilometer per hour
6 knots (11.11 km per hour) * 40 days = 10665.6 kilometer per hour

Any where between these 3 calculation in sha allah, that the wind would take the ship
to indian ocean unless Allah had performed Miracle and took them to some part other than
indian ocean.


salam bro Riz,

The above calculation are wrong, you've put KM per hour - nothing man-made on this planet travels that fast on land or on sea. Instead of KM per hour, you may have meant that the figure was the total distance travelled on sea. That would be more accurate.

understandingpresent wrote:
Lets say, the average speed was somewhere about 9000 km - 9500 km/hr.


Or instead - let's estimate that anything between 4000 and 9500 km was the total distance the ship had travelled... that still leaves a large number of square miles open to speculation about the island.

understandingpresent wrote:
To corelate with todays mapping, the distance between Tianjin (Tianjin,China) to Melbourne (Victoria,Australia) is 9015.33 km.

http://distancecalculator.globefeed.com ... ulator.asp

Attachment:
tianjin and melbource.jpg


And if Tamim Dari r.a, has started from arabia with the people from Banu Lakhm and Banu Judham towards east Allah knows best, then the map would be some where around

Attachment:
Anywhere.jpg



And if Tamim Dari r.a, has started from arabia with the people from Banu Lakhm and Banu Judham towards west Allah knows best, then the map would be some where around

Attachment:
possiblity 2.jpg


Peace,
Riz


Exactly - it's a wide geographical area which is in question.

Some time ago, I posted some info on this very same subject here on the forum somewhere - and realised that there is no point in tracing islands in the Indian ocea with monasteries on them - because many of the islands actually have monasteries on them, so to think we can identify the correct monastery without any description to its specifics, would be a bit like trying to throw a dart at a dart board in a dark room.

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salam bro Riz,

The above calculation are wrong, you've put KM per hour - nothing man-made on this planet travels that fast on land or on sea. Instead of KM per hour, you may have meant that the figure was the total distance travelled on sea. That would be more accurate.


Walaikum Assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatahu,

Actually that is a typo bro :oops: :oops: :oops: .. I am speaking about distance here. I dont know the actual speed value of knots, so i was doing a bit of calculations from scholar google and the speed word was on my mind all along that caused the blunder.

Heres a Political reply, "Accidents happen, and we learn from it" ;) ;) ;)
I will Edit the post above correcting it

Scimitar wrote:
to think we can identify the correct monastery without any description to its specifics, would be a bit like trying to throw a dart at a dart board in a dark room.


Agreed bro.

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Wait a second. I have a question. We talk about hadiths telling us about dajjal is in the east or najd is in the east etc. But

Was the world map same as today during prophet Muhammad(sm)?

As far as I know in the past north pole was south pole and south pole was north pole. Please correct me if I am wrong.


This is a very good question, and I'm surprised no one attempted to answer it.

I'll attempt it.

You are correct, the world map was orientated upside down by modern standards, meaning that in the time of the prophet pbuh North was South and vice versa.

Also, note that at the time of the prophet pbuh, there was no "world map" in existence, that didn't come until centuries later when King Roger, the Viking ruler of Rome, commissioned Al Idrisi to make a world map... it took decades, and even then, the map was orientated North as South and vice versa.

Al Idrisi's Tabulus Rogeriana - the first world map ever made.
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However, this is where it gets interesting. Many people believe that because North was orientated South in old maps, that West must have orientated East and vice versa - this is not true.

East remained East and West remained West.

Modern Map Orientation:
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Classic Map Orientation:
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The reason why East remained East and West, West, is because no matter who the mapmakers were - the whole world already ascribed to the fact that the Sun rises in the East and sets in the West... therefore, the orientations of East and West always remained the same and were not subjected to the role reversals of the North/South idiom which took place sometime in the 15th century.

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