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Alhamdulillah, brothers! Keep up this excellent work. It feels to me like this discussion is of urgent importance. (not to mention the WUP in general).
Peace and blessings of Allah be upon you all!

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Asalamalaikum brothers sisters. I'm away for a couple of weeks. Keep this thread alive :D .

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Don't worry, we've only reached the middle of the book...there are plenty more to disclose....

*Insha Allah, I'll try to squeeze in more time in translating the book, in between business, work, family, school, & of recent - moderating....etc etc.
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We continue with Dajjal’s internal conflicts…it’s becoming ever so clear that Dajjal is inching towards the point of no return of harboring the dangerous thoughts of him as a mighty God…..It is also clear that he only utilizes external vision of the physical eyes and none of the heart….the Rayn is about to engulf his heart.

<< yet even so, has Allah forsaken him? As we are about to see, Allah remained patient with this special creation of His and granted him more time to decide >>

His mind now began to focus on the beast, Jassasah and what was said by the beast. He said to himself:

“Verily the influences of the Rasul (messengers) as mentioned by the beast is just a game. The beast sure knows a lot of things, but it obeys me. Therefore, it must be true that I am also his God. But it is not afraid of me like all the other animals on this island. If so, I must do something about it.”

To test the beast’s obedience, he lit up a fire, and looked for the beast. When he found the beast he used a stick burnt from the fire and hit it at the back. The beast immediately fled into the island.

The next day, he tried to convince the beast that he would not harm it any more on the condition that the beast would follow all his orders. Then by Allah’s will the beast began to speak again:

“I will only follow the commands of Allah, and I will not submit to any of Allah’s creations!”

It then warns Dajjal that there will come a night when it would impossible for him to fall asleep. After that Allah’s curse will come, in that he will eventually leave the island, for him to see the outside world and be given the chance to witness Allah’s glory in all of his creations. He will also be given the chance to meet three (3) great Prophets – the ulul ‘azmi. Upon informing this to Dajjal, the beast then fled from the area like a plague is coming.

Dajjal then went to the seven stones….He reckons what the beast told him about the Prophets is just a silly game. There is no God. Everything in nature, the sky, wind, water, earth, fire, plants just seem to happen to be there. Then he thought about the episode of reanimating a dead bird. Maybe, there is something about the magical colorful dust. He intends to find out how. So he collected more of this dust and kept it in his cave.

On this night, he was able to sleep even for a second. He tried everything to fall asleep but just couldn’t. He then remembered what the beast told him earlier, in that he will leave the island.

The next day, he set out a plan to get off the island. He created a large bonfire near the beach, hoping somebody out there in the vast ocean would notice it. Nauseated from the lack of sleep, he had to keep the fire alive. Suddenly, he fell into a deep slumber.

When he woke up, it was night time and totally pitch black. He hurriedly resumed making a fire near the beach. He did this for three days and three nights. And on the third night, he noticed a light at the edge of the horizon and it’s coming closer. Then he noticed something smaller coming to the beach and on it are five men.

This is only Dajjal’s second encounter with another human being. Much of his earlier childhood was spent sleeping. He was pleasantly surprised that these men speak the same tongue as his (Arabic). These men came from the prosperous nation of Yemen some 4000 kilometers away from the island.

<< Yemenis are illustrious sailors whom have long established communication and trade as far as China >>

Without much thought he began to tell his story how he got to the island. They didn’t really believed what he said, and considered him some poor lost soul whom have lost his mind for staying on the island alone for too long.

Dajjal boarded the ship on their journey back to Yemen. They decided to ditch him when the first opportunity arises. On that journey, as if Allah flung his curses upon his (Dajjal’s) presence, the seas was rough, the winds were merciless. In all their life spent sailing, they have never seen such rage shown by the seas. Eventually, they reached Yemen and Dajjal is about to walk on the main land for the first time in his life.

To be continued….Insha Allah.


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We continue our story…

Dajjal for the first time in his life left the island, followed Yemeni sailors to Yemen. When they reached the port, the sailors gave him some coins which of course at the time, Dajjal had no idea how to use them.

This is his first ever experience with a human civilization with, he keenly observed all the hustle bustle of human activities. He quickly began to learn new things everyday. He was readily able to absorb everything new to him with amazing ease. He knew there was something special about his mental capacity that it would equal to a hundred men. People began to notice this.

At one point, he was able to secure a job as a servant to a well known Yemeni philosopher at the time. When the philosopher began noticing his remarkable mental attributes, he asked his name and where he came from.

Dajjal answered he is Al-Samiri as in the name of place of birth in Samirah, Palestine. The philosopher said to him given enough time this young man would one be a king, but is undecided whether he might a good and just king or a tyrant.

Dajjal instantly remembered what the beast, Jassasah once spoke of the same thing to him on that island. Nevertheless, his mind only follows his whims, and chose to remain heedless of the many reminders of the beast.

Many years have passed; he began making plans to make a visit to his place of origin, Samirah. But before that, he thought of going back to the island, because he began to miss the place where he grew up in his childhood. So off went on a big boat, which was procured after years of working and traveling between many lands.

When he reached to that island, he ordered his sailors to wait for him on the boat, while he took a smaller boat (probably a rowing boat) to beach on the island. When he reached the island, he found that the Jassasah was eagerly waiting for him, and looked at him with a stern look. Then the beast suddenly ran back into the island without uttering a single word. Then Dajjal remembered the mysterious dust that he once collected from the 7 big stones. He retrieved the dust and proceeded back to his boat to embark on a journey towards Palestine, his birth place.

He left his boat near a valley, and continued on land to Samirah. At this point in time his age is roughly 100 years old. The most extraordinary thing about him is, as if time froze for him where he showed no signs of aging whatsoever.

He tried to retrace his heritage from accounts told by the beast. He asked some local people, and many of them told him that the town Samirah had been under an eclipse for a hundred years! They were not familiar of tales of a child being taken away by an Angel. It was only when he met an elderly man from a neighboring area called Al-Jalil who was somewhat familiar with the tale, even then he only heard this from other elders from Arbad, Palestine. The story was somewhat distorted, because they heard that the child were taken by Gods of whom are deities of a Female Cow. A noblemen took away the child from the father, who thought that child was blessed by the Gods. But the child also died when the eclipse began.

Dajjal asked the people, “What do you worship here in Samirah?”

They answered, “The Cow (Calf), the Cow is God to the deities. Don’t you see the cow is blessing us with all this meat and milk. Even rodents don’t dare to enter our houses which is blessed by these cow idols.”

Now, he began to realize what the Jassasah once told him were true, but he refuses to worship anything that he could not see or hear from. In fact, he even maintained his bloated ego by praising only himself.

So he stayed in Samirah for some more years. We will continue this story when Dajjal had a first encounter with a Great Prophet of Allah, Musa alaihi salam in Egypt.

To be continued….Insha Allah.


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asralfarhi wrote:
Regarding the location of Diego Garcia, if you look it up on the world map or google earth, the general direction between it and Madinah is an Easterly direction....there's no doubt about that, after all where is the Yemeni Sea in relation to Madinah, it's exactly the same direction, only thing is Diego Garcia is a bit further, some 4000 kilometers to be exact.

Lemme quote your findings:
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Thats about 500 regular miles, or 800 kilometers. So in a storm, a ship could make it from Alexandria to the UK in just over a week.


So a distance of 4000 kilometers would take roughly 4 weeks or 30 days even in stormy conditions....the info is quite valid and logical. ;)

I'll try to continue with the saga of Dajjal soon.....


GOOGLE EARTH CONFIRMATION OF DISTANCE BETWEEN DIEGO GARCIA, BRITISH INDIA OCEAN TERRITORIES AND YEMEN...

I took the ancient of city San'aa as reference for Yemen...

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Question:

If every Prophet warned his people of Dajjal, were they warning of his coming birth or did he already exist?

Also, regarding the "female beast"; I have been of the opinion that this is a jinn. Jinn take many forms, some of which resemble "beasts", or animals. They would seem completely alien to our concept of animals though.

Jinn procreate; is it possible that Iblis procreated with another jinn or a human to produce the Dajjal, the proverbial "Son of Satan"?

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Excellent question; while we could argue the exact time when Dajjal was born, but there is no question that Dajjal was already living at the time of Prophet Muhammad sollallahu alaihi wasallam.

As for the Jassasah, it may well have been a jinn judging by the description of it being hairy from tip to toe, but Allah knows best.....however in Allah's magnificent creations there are many more beings other than humans, Angels, Jinns, that is way beyond our current comprehension. Example: Even Jinns have beasts/domesticated animals that we have not seen. How about the Buraq, that took Prophet Muhammad from Madinah to Al-Aqsa in the Night of Isra' and Mi'raj.

I will describe how the author of this book went about on a journey that took him to many countries to piece together an amazing account of the Dajjal. Part of the reason why he took that Journey was when he realized from an Injeel manuscript that the same Musa As-Samiri from the story of Prophet Musa alaihi salam was the same Dajjal individual...

I will get to that in my next post, Insha Allah...


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If I'm not mistaken, the Qur'an refers to the shaitan as a "tribe"; this would lead me to conclude that they are either a) bound by relation to one another or b) bound by a mutual pact.

If this is the case, than Iblis could be the father of many jinn.

Let's also think about this; if Jassasah was in fact a woman, and going with the above hypothesis, could it be that Dajjal is actually a jinn/human hybrid, like the ones mentioned in hadith?

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If I'm not mistaken, the Qur'an refers to the shaitan as a "tribe"; this would lead me to conclude that they are either a) bound by relation to one another or b) bound by a mutual pact.

If this is the case, than Iblis could be the father of many jinn.

Let's also think about this; if Jassasah was in fact a woman, and going with the above hypothesis, could it be that Dajjal is actually a jinn/human hybrid, like the ones mentioned in hadith?


Iblees definitely fathered tribes of Shaytanic Jinn...

Look at the beginning of this thread of how dajjal was supposedly conceived.....there were definitely Satanic/Jinn influences, idolatry & blood sacrifices...etc.

I happen to have another book written by the same author (Muhammad Isa Dawud) about a conversation with a Muslim Jinn.....in that book, there is a discussion behind the reason why Muslims are not allowed to make love with their wives when she is in her menstrual cycle....it is still possible to conceive while the woman is in the menses and when Allah's name is not invoked in the love making, shaytaninc Jinns will 'take it from there'....So it's entirely probable that Dajjal was a Jinn hybrid from the get go....

but as always, Allah knows best....


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one thing when dajjal comes those who accept him he will them give them water ect...

but if you don't you will get nothing

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At one time this thread had 14K plus views.....so much info has been lost... :(
Any hope of reviving this thread?

Calling all WUP family around the world;
has anyone copied/saved posts from this thread, please PM me....there's a lot of unfinished business here....

There are events currently happening around the meeting place of Iblees and Dajjal that warrants immediate attention....and to finish what has been started....


*Be on the lookout for the English version of this amazing book by Muhammad Isa Dawud....a friend told me it's now available, but I have no idea who published it....and it seems that the author comes from the lineage of Prophet Muhammad sollallahu alaihi wa alihi wasallam family [learned that just recently]... :)

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Its back! Like a phoenix rising from the ashes or an 80s sitcom turned into a movie. Lol, I don't always agree with the stuff posted on this thread but if it brings attention to Dajjal and his influence on our daily lives it hopefully is a positive.


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Insha Allah, I will try to resuscitate this thread for the benefit of our newer members....

Before we, resume I would like to reexamine this very famous Hadith of Tamim Ad-Dari....but something about the very end of this long hadith;

Fatima said, "The Prophet striking the pulpit with his staff, said: 'This is Tayyibah, this is Tayyibah, this is Tayyibah, [ie Madina]. Have I not told you something like this?' The people said, 'Yes.' He said, 'I liked the account given to me by Tamim because it agrees with that which I have told you about the Dajjal, and about Makkah and Madina. Indeed he is in the Syrian sea or the Yemen sea. No, on the contrary, he is in the East, he is in the East, he is in the East' and he pointed towards the East. Fatima said: I memorised this from the Prophet." (Muslim).

Question: Why the sudden change of direction? Why the East three times? What did the Prophet sollallahu alaihi wa alihi wasallam really see?


What's bothering me now, is something about an old Arabian map of the world;

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Problem is, to the Arabs that's the upside down version.....Whaaat?!? I'm serious that's the upside down version, LITERALLY. This is how they saw the world;

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It's crystal clear if you can read Arabic;
Notice at the 'SOUTH', clearly mentions the lands of Gog (Ya'juj) and Magog (Ma'juj)

*edited* there is another much better version that clearly shows the Americas....way before Columbus time....still looking for this one....anybody has it?


Now that changes everything.....a bit too much to comprehend at this moment... :o :shock:
What say you guys?


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anything wierd about this map? new zealand has the position of great britain


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I didnt know about Arabs upside down view of the world :shock:
But the fact is that the sun has always risen from the east(even in Muhammed's (SAWS) time).
So if the Prophet(SAWS) said "He is in the east" , the direction of the east is from S Arabia towards the sunrise...it doesnt matter how they saw the world..........I think :?

I dont know if this makes any sense but thats how I see it :)


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I was thinking more in the lines of;

Superimpose the info from these two Ahadith about the Dajjal;

Location; Where Rasulullah sollallahu alaihi wa alihi wasallam saw Dajjal:

Fatima said, "The Prophet striking the pulpit with his staff, said: 'This is Tayyibah, this is Tayyibah, this is Tayyibah, [ie Madina]. Have I not told you something like this?' The people said, 'Yes.' He said, 'I liked the account given to me by Tamim because it agrees with that which I have told you about the Dajjal, and about Makkah and Madina. Indeed he is in the Syrian sea or the Yemen sea. No, on the contrary, he is in the East, he is in the East, he is in the East' and he pointed towards the East. Fatima said: I memorised this from the Prophet." (Muslim).


Duration; Dajjal's time on Earth:

We said: Allah's Apostle , how long will he stay on Earth?
He said: For forty days, one day like a year, one day like a month, one day like a week, and the rest of the days will be like your days.

[Hadith - Muslim #7015, Narrated An-Nawwas ibn Sam'an radiallahu anhu]



THE POSSIBLE CONCLUSION

Indeed he is in the Syrian sea --> Mediterranean?

or the Yemen sea. --> Diego Garcia?

No, on the contrary,

he is in the East, --> <a day like a year> Britain?

he is in the East, --> <a day like a month> America?

he is in the East' --> <a day like a week> drumroll :idea: :arrow: THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE a.k.a THE NEW ATLANTIS!!!

*Not Isra'hell'? I'll explain later...

and he pointed towards the East. Fatima said: I memorised this from the Prophet."


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Let's test the topsy turvy world map....
[do more observing and less judging...]


*edited* It's not just the Arabs, many other people knew this upside down thingy....for example:



Quick summary:
This is the Hopi Blue Star Prophecy.....about the twin brothers (star);
Blue Star Kachina - the Warner & The Red Star - Purifier cum Destroyer...yada yada yada

....bringing about immense changes to the world....then something on melding of the two worlds the spiritual and the physical worlds.....yada yada yada

....never before seen creatures making their appearance.....yada yada yada

[OK, here's the bomb, at 0:56]
"... they will return the Earth to its natural rotation which is counter clockwise..."


Whaaat? Why would they say 'return to its natural rotation'? It's already counter clockwise right?

Well.....the above statement can only be true if the world is upside down, just like the Arab map, which would see the world rotating clockwise....hmmm? Think about it.


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OOOKAY, ready for some more cross referencing works.....

There is this Project Camelot interview of A'shayana Deane, who talked about ascension mechanics.....very detailed and technical. But it was quite an eye opener to the sheer scale of the cosmic view/paradigm.....[while we're still stuck in our little 'Earth' sand boxed illusion]

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/in ... deane.html


I actually listened to the whole interview some (6 hours or so)....many things kind of clicked, and some others I do not agree....for the most time, I simply observed and not making judgement on it.

I simply want to highlight something that is linked to our current discussion.....confusion over the South & North thingy? upside down map?.....it's in part 2.



at 42:19;
"....these are all twisted up right now by the way, 'East' is not East, 'West' is not West, and we're upside down actually...."


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THE POSSIBLE CONCLUSION

Indeed he is in the Syrian sea --> Mediterranean?

or the Yemen sea. --> Diego Garcia?

No, on the contrary,

he is in the East, --> <a day like a year> Britain?

he is in the East, --> <a day like a month> America?

he is in the East' --> <a day like a week> drumroll :idea: :arrow: THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE a.k.a THE NEW ATLANTIS!!!

*Not Isra'hell'? I'll explain later...


This thought can only come after you finished reading the entire book....the title is kind of a give away.....
ooh, I'm sorry all the while I mentioned it in Arabic and forgot to translate the title which is;

"DAJJAL SHALL APPEAR FROM A DJINN KINGDOM IN THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE"
He goes on to explain that Dajjal is the main reason for the UFO phenomenon that we've seen so far.

*spoiler....
I've read through the author's Imam Mahdi series of books and mention that Dajjal's final appearance between Syria and Iraq will in fact take place after a crash land on a UFO which is just an advanced flying craft.


This thought now seemed to become more valid....in the drastic changes that is taking place right now in and around the Atlantic....no thanks to the Gulf of Mexico oil catastrophe.

I am trying to pin down the Oil blowout as a direct effort to terraform the earth to create an atmosphere more conducive for non-human entities, the usual suspects....lol.
[btw, did you guys see the lab glass blowout of a little sample of sea water near the oil blowout shown on a local news media? the chemist was clearly spooked... :shock: ]

Add that to a whistleblower interview of super soldier dolphin hybrid Aaron McCollum of Project Seagate about 12 underwater bases around the Caribbean.....2 manned by humans, the rest non-humans....the one and the same usual suspects...

Now, there are news and numerous chatter about major geological changes - Atlantic conveyor drastically slowing down, and err.... sinking or sliding of the New Madrid Fault line [anatomy of a Khasful Ard?]....oh, just collateral damage for what??

Oh, errr.... just for the raising of a 'New' Atlantis....a false 'Eden'....<if you know what I mean?>


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Asalamalaikum dear bro asralfarhi :D

Nice to see this thread coming alive again after the major loss of good info.

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Great news.

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