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You do realise they can give you the example of the mouse and just debunk the example you give, right? Right.

There's to logic lol

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Expression of naked DNA in human, pig, and mouse skin.

U R Hengge, P S Walker and J C Vogel

Dermatology Branch, National Cancer Institute, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, Maryland 20892, USA.

Published June 15, 1996

The insertion and expression of genes in the epidermis may have a variety of therapeutic uses, including the treatment of skin diseases. Here we show that when both human skin organ cultures and human skin grafts on immunocompromised mice are injected with naked DNA, the DNA is taken-up and genes are expressed in the epidermis in a manner similar to both pig skin injected in vivo and injected pig skin organ cultures. In contrast, DNA injected into mouse skin is expressed not just in the epidermis, but also in the dermis and underlying fat and muscle tissue, and is expressed at lower levels. These findings suggest that genes can be expressed in human skin, after injection of naked DNA, and indicate that pig skin is an appropriate model for the study of DNA uptake and gene expression in human skin. The organ cultures of human and pig skin may be useful in understanding how naked DNA is internalized and expressed after in vivo injections. Additionally, skin obtained from patients with skin disease may be studied as skin grafts and organ cultures to help optimize genetic approaches for the treatment of skin diseases prior to clinical trials, by determining if the injected gene can provide a therapeutic benefit.


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hi strawberries.
how would you refute this evidence for evolution?

Watch on youtube.com


human evolution:
Watch on youtube.com

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*grabs popcorn - orders pizza* Image

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don't forget the Image !

pepsi evolution 8-)

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Xavier wrote:
hi strawberries.
how would you refute this evidence for evolution?

Watch on youtube.com


human evolution:
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I am not a scientist to refute, this is their job to do may Allah guide them.
My job is to encourage them in every way I can for this just cause in the name of Islam and to refute that Quran contrary to zionist propoganda call all Christians and all jews pigs and apes.

As I know you (unlike others) openly admit you have left islam and this cause may not concern you anymore. But faith my dear sister is like the tide it ebbs and flows, if yours is ebbing, may Allah return it to flow :)


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That was weak...How else do you plan to disprove evolution StrawberriesNcream - they set the standard, you must acknowledge that... I see your post as a fail.

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Well sc you would see them that way, its expected non? And it doesnt surprise me. I have you all figured out.

But you dont disparage me Alhamdulliah.


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Its beyond me how when Muslims here who are awake to the dire straits of the world we live in today can find the time to fight, squabble and argue non stop.

If there's something good to say then say it, otherwise remain silent. Not to mention off-topic posts are in abundance despite the warning put up in the announcement section.

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AllahismyRefuge wrote:
Its beyond me how when Muslims here who are awake to the dire straits of the world we live in today can find the time to fight, squabble and argue non stop.

If there's something good to say then say it, otherwise remain silent. Not to mention off-topic posts are in abundance despite the warning put up in the announcement section.


Exactly. This is supposed to be the "Wake Up Project" yet some people here can be such jerks full of nafs. And those are the reasons I don't come here often anymore.

Low quality posts, low quality posters. Did I come to right place for people who watched the arrivals? Or did I stumble across some kind of childish Islamic version of facebook?

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Salaam
to be honest i really didn't read all of the posts but coming back to topic i would like to ask you (strawberries) if you came up with it by yourself.If so then that is pretty amazing.We learn the similarities of chimp and man but we never think if it could be the other-way .Personally i approve of your idea.

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Xavier wrote:
hi strawberries.
how would you refute this evidence for evolution?

Watch on youtube.com


human evolution:
Watch on youtube.com


Easy!
I can't believe you're still buying what they're selling you. I could have made a video about the following, and made the exact same argument.

Hare has 48 Chromosomes, Potato has 48 Chromosomes, Dear mouse has 48 Chromosomes, the Beaver (Eurasian) has 48 Chromosomes.

Xavier, you just got debunked!

Again!


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Bushwack wrote:
Xavier wrote:
hi strawberries.
how would you refute this evidence for evolution?

Watch on youtube.com


human evolution:
Watch on youtube.com


Easy!
I can't believe you're still buying what they're selling you. I could have made a video about the following, and made the exact same argument.

Hare has 48 Chromosomes, Potato has 48 Chromosomes, Dear mouse has 48 Chromosomes, the Beaver (Eurasian) has 48 Chromosomes.

Xavier, you just got debunked!

Again!


Booooooo!! Bushwack you party pooper! we were having popcorn! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That was too quick and easy. :lol:

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I'm sure Xavier doesn't mind, she's used to my rude mannerisms. :P


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Anyone have a comment on the hadith I posted?

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Salaam
to be honest i really didn't read all of the posts but coming back to topic i would like to ask you (strawberries) if you came up with it by yourself.If so then that is pretty amazing.We learn the similarities of chimp and man but we never think if it could be the other-way .Personally i approve of your idea.


Salam bro/sis Smilies

Yes I did, several years ago i watched a doccumentary ( nat geo, animal planet? Not sure) that depicted that chimps dna were only different by 2% in fact the animation showed two of those circles switching and that was the difference between man and ape .
I was amazed and my heart said subhan Allah kum fayakoon, then i didnt make much of it , recently i saw a tv program about a jewish lady unable to accept the porcine valve replacement because its not kosher and it just struck me how come just these two particular animals are the closest to us , reading the Quran just solidified my suspicion that they may be linked. I looked up everywhere to find that another Muslim may have made the same corroberation and found non, I contacted my respected friend a renound sheikh and he bless his heart encouraged me and said "this is very important research" and kindly forwarded me to a professor of medical islamic ethics and im yet to hear back soon inshallah.
In the meanwhile i began to research my self and found that a very talented Professor of Biochemistry had researched the data provided for the human and pig and human and ape evidence.

I appreciate your encouragement it is a breath of fresh islamic air in all this negativity and nastiness. May Allah bless you. Im sure you realise how important this is when used to build burned bridges and to do da'awa work. Alhamdullilah i seek only Allahs aproval of this collaborative effort.

I am also doing an athropological study of women in the region to also debunk another nasty myth being spread about the Rassoul Allah.
I may use my own family as an example because we originate from the same region and tribes that Islam was delivered to.
Your duas are appreciated.


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Anyone have a comment on the hadith I posted?


There are also these:

Muslim Book 021, Number 4800:
Abu Sa'id reported that an Arab of the desert came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: I live in a low land abounding in lizards, and these are the common diet of my family, but he (the Holy Prophet) did not make any reply. We said to him: Repeat it (your problem) and so he repeated it, but he did not make any reply. (It was repeated thrice ) Then Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called him out at the third time saying: O man of the desert, verily Allah cursed or showed wrath to a tribe of Bani Isra'il and distorted them to beasts which move on the earth. I do not know, perhaps this (lizard) may be one of them. So I do not eat it, nor do I prohibit the eating of it.

Muslim Book 021, Number 4799:
Abu Sa'id reported that a person said: Messenger of Allah, we live in a land abounding in lizards, so what do you command or what verdict you give (about eating of it)? Thereupon he said: It was mentioned to me that a people from among Bani Isra'il were distorted (so there is a likelihood that those people might have been distorted in the shape of lizards). So he neither commanded (us to eat that) nor forbade (us).

and since we were on the subject of rats and mice, there's this one also:

Bukhari 4.524:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A group of Israelites were lost. Nobody knows what they did. But I do not see them except that they were cursed and changed into rats, for if you put the milk of a she-camel in front of a rat, it will not drink it, but if the milk of a sheep is put in front of it, it will drink it." I told this to Ka'b who asked me, "Did you hear it from the Prophet ?" I said, "Yes." Ka'b asked me the same question several times.; I said to Ka'b. "Do I read the Torah? (i.e. I tell you this from the Prophet.)"

However, I'm not sure of their authenticity, as this is taken off the net.

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I'll double-check later if I finde the time... I pulled mine from a notable site. I'll try comparing it to some others as well insha `Allah.

Interesting to note though that it's not just pigs/monkeys in the hadith.

I still am trying to find the plastic surgery that involves using pig-skin as a replacement.

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Indeed, very interesting... I just hope they check out.

Nusaybah wrote:
Bushwack wrote:
Xavier wrote:
hi strawberries.
how would you refute this evidence for evolution?

Watch on youtube.com


human evolution:
Watch on youtube.com


Easy!
I can't believe you're still buying what they're selling you. I could have made a video about the following, and made the exact same argument.

Hare has 48 Chromosomes, Potato has 48 Chromosomes, Dear mouse has 48 Chromosomes, the Beaver (Eurasian) has 48 Chromosomes.

Xavier, you just got debunked!

Again!


Booooooo!! Bushwack you party pooper! we were having popcorn! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That was too quick and easy. :lol:

-Nusaybah


You're right, too quick and easy... and so, we move on - gracefully.

You know when people get burns they also use potato skin to heal the burn and minimize damage to burnt area? True fact, the treatment is revolutionary. Note: Potato also has 48 chromosomes.

Scimi

EDIT: @Insha this is the one that I really want verified:

Bukhari 4.524:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A group of Israelites were lost. Nobody knows what they did. But I do not see them except that they were cursed and changed into rats, for if you put the milk of a she-camel in front of a rat, it will not drink it, but if the milk of a sheep is put in front of it, it will drink it." I told this to Ka'b who asked me, "Did you hear it from the Prophet ?" I said, "Yes." Ka'b asked me the same question several times.; I said to Ka'b. "Do I read the Torah? (i.e. I tell you this from the Prophet.)"

Considering the testing done on these creatures (especially DNA experiments and chemical testing to determine their compatibility with humans) this is really significant.

Let's do this properly... using sympathetic critic and not escapist critic like the atheists do.


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insha wrote:
Anyone have a comment on the hadith I posted?


Side note, Although this is irrelevant to the study of pigs and ape, if the hadeeth is correct this lizard mentioned i suppose can be tested, if not for anything except to deduct it.
There are three types of lizards indigenous to our region ( i dont know their latin names but ill name thier specific arabic names.
One is the bra'asey - this one is very common, it is small grey green and very detestable, we are told that it should be killed because this lizard species alledgedly helped 'blow'the fire bigger prepared for the prophet Ibraheem
2nd is the 'warrar' medium sized but surprisingly aggressive and has a killer bite
3rd the 'thab' this is a large species that often lives in holes to shade from the heat. it is indigenous in the whole gulf desert area, this is the one mentioned because it has a thick large muscular tail almost longer and as thick as its body, and this tail is whats eaten until about 20 years ago by bedouins and camping boys in a dispay of toughness. Its a dish that can be traced back to all gulf arabs , noble man or sheep herding bedoun who would eat it out of necessesity


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