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I don't have the aspiration to go into detail. I will open this door...whoever has the desire may go further and explain things to us.

I saw a breaking news title saying that the US is now imposing sanctions on Syria.

Sanctions Against Iraq, Syria and Egypt
Muslim: Book 41, Number 6961:

Abu Nadra reported: We were in the company of Jabir b. 'Abdulldh that he said it may happen that the people of Iraq may not send their qafiz and dirhams (their measures of food stuff and their money). We said, “Who would be respolisible for it?” He said, “The non-Arabs would prevent them.” He again said, “There is the possibility that the people of Syria may not send their dinar and mudd.” We said, “Who would be responsible for it?” He said, “This prevention would be made by the Romans.” He (Jabir b. Abdullab) kept quiet for a while and then reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said There would be a caliph in the last (period) of my Ummah who would freely give handfuls of wealth to the people without counting it. I said to Abu Nadra and Abu al-'Ala, “DO you mean 'Umarb. 'Abd al-Aziz?” They said, “No (he would be Imam Mahdi).”

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sanctions lead to war pray for damascus and the people of syria


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18 August 2011 Last updated at 14:20 GMT

Syria unrest: World leaders call for Assad to step down

The leaders of the US, UK, France, Germany and the EU have all called for Syria's President Assad to step down over his suppression of protesters.

US President Barack Obama said: "The time has come for President Assad to step aside."

It marks a significant increase in pressure on Mr Assad for sending in his army against the protesters.

Meanwhile, UN investigators say the use of violence in Syria "may amount to crimes against humanity".

In a report to the UN Human Rights Council, the investigators said the UN Security Council should refer the issue to the International Criminal Court.

'Get out of the way'

In a written statement, Mr Obama said: "The future of Syria must be determined by its people, but President Bashar al-Assad is standing in their way. His calls for dialogue and reform have rung hollow while he is imprisoning, torturing, and slaughtering his own people.

He added: "We have consistently said that President Assad must lead a democratic transition or get out of the way. He has not led. For the sake of the Syrian people, the time has come for President Assad to step aside."

Mr Obama also announced "unprecedented sanctions to deepen the financial isolation of the Assad regime and further disrupt its ability to finance a campaign of violence against the Syrian people".

The US had already tightened its sanctions against members of Syria's government but had stopped short of demanding Mr Assad step down.

At the same time, EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said: "The EU notes the complete loss of [Syrian President] Bashar al-Assad's legitimacy in the eyes of the Syrian people and the necessity for him to step aside."

In a separate statement, the leaders of Britain, France and Germany said President Assad should "leave power in the greater interests of Syria and the unity of his people".

For the rest: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14577333

Our Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم is reported to have said: “There will be such troubles and calamities that nobody will be able to find a place of shelter. These woes will move around Damascus, fall upon Iraq, and tie the hands and feet of the Arabian Peninsula. The community of Islam will fight against troubles in the steppes. Nobody will feel any sympathy for them or even say ‘Alas!’ As they try to remedy their woes on the one hand, they will emerge again on the other.” [Muntakhab Kanz al-`Ummal, 5:38-39]

And as the brother above quoted:

“It may happen that the people of Iraq may not send their qafiz and dirhams [their measures of food-stuff and their money].” We asked: “Who will be responsible for it?” He said: “The non-Arabs will prevent them.” He again said: “There is the possibility that the Syrians may not send their dinar and mudd.” We asked: “Who will be responsible for it?” He said: “This prevention will be made by the Romans.” [Sahih Muslim 41:6961]

I sense a cookie burning. :?

May Allah the Best of Protectors protect our innocent brothers and sisters in Syria. Ameen.

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But Assad is bad...? He killed 2000 demonstrating people....


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But Assad is bad...? He killed 2000 demonstrating people....



Exactly what the west is saying. don't believe in their trap.

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So Gaddafi is a good guy, too? Seriously?


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These things are no good guy vs bad guy scenario, like they try to make you think.

It's like one political party vs. another ... just stage theatre.


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Only Jordan is left, after they bring down Jordan then the BIG KABOOOOM on IRAN maby WW3


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whose they? are we not in ww6 or7 anyway...


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alichuuu wrote:
So Gaddafi is a good guy, too? Seriously?

If you look far and precisely, you won't find "good" but you can find 1 better than another ...
Maybe all what you are seeing is just theatre , and they are doing their plan to achieve a goal that we don't even know ...


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alichuuu wrote:
So Gaddafi is a good guy, too? Seriously?


He ain't so good, but absolutely he is much better than the NATO, who have killed more than 10,000 innocent Libyan civilians while the whole world thinks that NATO is protecting Libyans from the Qaddafi.
A very vast majority of the Libyans stand behind the Qaddafi, but the media doesn't want to show you this.

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Sadly, Brothers and sisters are so lost in conspiracies that they become oppressors themselves, watching on. The other week, a user showed me an article from the Iranian propaganda channel, press-tv, the same nation allied with Syria none the less, to whitewash what is happening to the people there and blame it on the sunnis, with the pitiful defence of 'I am a sunni...but". You guys are on a forum called the 'wake up project' and you are still burying your heads 10 ft deep in concrete. This world is not black and white, it isn't made up of freemasons and their drones vs truthseekers and their various groupings, seriously, it drives me mad when I see Muslims here who fly over basic principles of Islamic Aqeedah and glaringly obvious statements from Allah SWT in the Qur'an.

Israel being oppressors who want to dominate the middle east has no baring on who Bashar al-Assad is, this isn't "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", this is "I believe in Allah SWT, he has set a clear criterion for wala and bara, and I submit to him and love for his sake, hate for his sake, ally for his sake, disavow for his sake"- But no, today it is "The Mahdi is coming, dajjal is coming, I have 10 million theories and they all involved long winded fantasies to do with the occult, mysterious monolithic plans by shady orders and this is how I decide who is upon truth and falsehood, if you are with the NWO you are an enemy, if you aren't, nuff respect!" - This is what happens when the youth sit on the internet, watch too many films, play too many games, and need excuses and answers for their current predicament and the various issues in the world.

It literally makes me fume, that we know right now that thousands of sincere Muslim families are being torn apart, oppressed, imprisoned, tortured and brutalised, if not slaughtered in Syria by this regeime, and a bunch of no-nothing donkeys are pretending its a Western conspiracy just because they are stuck in their own weak minds. You should fear Allah SWT, why is it that you speak when you have no clue? You aren't experts, so why is it you brush things to the side, Muslims who need your help against an obvious, and when I say obvious, if you do your research, Bashar al-Assad and his family are the most obvious devils of this age, worse than Mubarak by far, though Mubarak himself was an oppressors no doubt, yet you play deaf, dumb and blind.

Ive held back up until now because I thought that a people who actually believe such things as "Syria is all made up, its the West" would never listen to any sort of reason, but enough is enough, enough of this trap nonsense, if you don't have a clue, then your traps need to stay closed.

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Sadly, Brothers and sisters are so lost in conspiracies that they become oppressors themselves, watching on. The other week, a user showed me an article from the Iranian propaganda channel, press-tv, the same nation allied with Syria none the less, to whitewash what is happening to the people there and blame it on the sunnis, with the pitiful defence of 'I am a sunni...but". You guys are on a forum called the 'wake up project' and you are still burying your heads 10 ft deep in concrete. This world is not black and white, it isn't made up of freemasons and their drones vs truthseekers and their various groupings, seriously, it drives me mad when I see Muslims here who fly over basic principles of Islamic Aqeedah and glaringly obvious statements from Allah SWT in the Qur'an.

Israel being oppressors who want to dominate the middle east has no baring on who Bashar al-Assad is, this isn't "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", this is "I believe in Allah SWT, he has set a clear criterion for wala and bara, and I submit to him and love for his sake, hate for his sake, ally for his sake, disavow for his sake"- But no, today it is "The Mahdi is coming, dajjal is coming, I have 10 million theories and they all involved long winded fantasies to do with the occult, mysterious monolithic plans by shady orders and this is how I decide who is upon truth and falsehood, if you are with the NWO you are an enemy, if you aren't, nuff respect!" - This is what happens when the youth sit on the internet, watch too many films, play too many games, and need excuses and answers for their current predicament and the various issues in the world.

It literally makes me fume, that we know right now that thousands of sincere Muslim families are being torn apart, oppressed, imprisoned, tortured and brutalised, if not slaughtered in Syria by this regeime, and a bunch of no-nothing donkeys are pretending its a Western conspiracy just because they are stuck in their own weak minds. You should fear Allah SWT, why is it that you speak when you have no clue? You aren't experts, so why is it you brush things to the side, Muslims who need your help against an obvious, and when I say obvious, if you do your research, Bashar al-Assad and his family are the most obvious devils of this age, worse than Mubarak by far, though Mubarak himself was an oppressors no doubt, yet you play deaf, dumb and blind.

Ive held back up until now because I thought that a people who actually believe such things as "Syria is all made up, its the West" would never listen to any sort of reason, but enough is enough, enough of this trap nonsense, if you don't have a clue, then your traps need to stay closed.


If you had a point to make, you could have made it without belittling everyone so arrogantly.

If people have made a mistake, correct them and show them the real picture which you claim to perceive.

If your so naive to think the Zionists aren't the ones who aren't going to take advantage of these revolts and use it as an excuse to attack Syria then sadly you have a lot of learning to do from from history. If you think the UN should be the one to handle the affairs of the Muslim Ummah while the Muslim Ummah is so weak at handling their own affairs which has only become possible because of Muslims chasing the dunya and allowing oppressors to rule them then of course we must be deluded to want to know if signs are occurring and the truth which in turn should lead us to make the right choices and have the right outlook Insh'Allah. Your on a truthseeking website, don't like it then leave it.

Its so easy for people with superiority complexes like you to come in, not give an alternative view but just bash everyone as well stereotype them.

If you have something to state then do it properly or likewise, please keep silent.

I guess the Palestinians must be lesser humans were their oppression is not worthy of a UN security resolution or sanctions on Israel or Kashmir, where India goes scot-free with its human rights violations. Where's NATO and the US for them? Why are they already in offensive positions of its coast and in Turkey, preparing to attack while warning of military action? (http://wup-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=19267) Whilst risking a swift reaction from Russia who has a vital naval base in the country. Why has Turkey placed its troops on the border readying itself for a war with Syria, doing the Zionist bidding when it could mean an attack from Russia?

Who are you kidding? The so called western concern over Syria is blatant hypocrisy and is self serving of their own interests. Why isn't there American concern of a lack of government in Somalia which has largely factored into the famine there? Thousands of children dying yet the latest axis of evil/devils of this age is Assad so lets pretend for a moment, that they know best as to who needs to be saved with a military invasion and economic sanctions while the world economy is in the drain which makes such a move suicidal economically..as well as potentially disastrous on a much wider scale.

If you can't learn from the Iraq, Libyan, Afghan war as well as the countless others the Zionists have staged through covert and overt operations based on utter deception and propaganda which followed the same pattern, then don't bother lecturing others here who only stated an opinion.

Users like you annoy me who come and spoil good threads.

Does this strike you as a coincidence????: -
AllahismyRefuge wrote:
Please read this post by brother KhaledSword: -

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This why russia wont a UN condanation :

Russia's naval supply and maintenance site near Syria's Mediterranean port of Tartus will be modernized to accommodate heavy warships after 2012, the Russian Navy chief said on Monday.

"Tartus will be developed as a naval base. The first stage of development and modernization will be completed in 2012," Adm. Vladimir Vysotsky said, adding it could then serve as a base for guided-missile cruisers and even aircraft carriers.

The Soviet-era facility is operated under a 1971 agreement by Russian personnel. Since 1992 the port has been in disrepair, with only one of its three floating piers operational. Read more...

Tartus in Syria has just like some other ports in the Mediterranean area been 'under discussion' over the last two years, as a possibly new Russian Navy 'stronghold' in the area. This because the future existence of the Russian Navy Base and Black Sea Fleet Home Base (HQ) 'Sevastopol' in the Ukraine was 'under fire', this for 'political reasons'.

Now that a 'Russia-Loving' administration has been established in the Ukraine, Russia and the Russian Navy can now rely on minimal investments on already existing 'strong holds' such as Tartus (Russia's new fuel and small-repair stop in the Med's), cherish important 'facilities' in Sevastopol (May 2009: read this) and then 'lean back' enjoying the new 'power of navy bases' in the Black Sea Fleet area........yet, still awaiting new ships and submarines for that same Black Sea Fleet; Read this and also read this!


Thread where it was posted: - http://wup-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=15683&p=203292#p203292

With that above in perspective, please read the below...

AllahismyRefuge wrote:
What concerns me is what Russia's reaction will be to this and Israel potentially taking this as an opportunity to attack Syria especially if the UN passes it just as Libya was attacked...after international condemnation without warning: -

Cameron warns against Syria UN veto


Wednesday, 8 June 2011

David Cameron today warned Russia and China not to block international moves to condemn the violent suppression of anti-government protests in Syria.

The Prime Minister confirmed that Britain and France would be formally tabling a draft resolution at the United Nations Security Council in New York demanding an end to the repression.

However they face potential opposition from Moscow and China who have indicated they are prepared to use their vetoes as permanent members of the 15-strong Security Council to block the move.

continued: - http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/cameron-warns-against-syria-un-veto-2294636.html

This also may be used by Israel to bolster its case for war (just be wary of the misleading propaganda in the article): -

J'lem files UN complaint over Syria border 'provocations'

By JPOST.COM STAFF

06/07/2011 21:59
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=224088

Take note of these quotes from the above article: -

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In the letter of complaint, deputy chief of Israel's delegation to the UN, Haim Waxman, argues that the incident "which could not have taken place without the knowledge of the Syrian authorities


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The complaint urged the international community to warn Syria that "such provocations carry serious potential for escalation and must cease completely."


Does anyone remember what the Israeli Foreign Minister Lieberman said last year???

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February 4, 2010

JERUSALEM — Israel’s blunt-talking foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman, warned Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, on Thursday that the Assad family would lose power in any war with Israel, ratcheting up bellicose exchanges between the countries in recent days.

In a speech at Bar-Ilan University, near Tel Aviv, Mr. Lieberman said: “I think that our message must be clear to Assad. In the next war, not only will you lose, you and your family will lose the regime. Neither you will remain in power, nor the Assad family.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/world/middleeast/05mideast.html


Also another quote: -

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“Syrian President Bachar Assad must realize that if he provokes Israel his regime will collapse,” Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, thrilled by the “art” of threats to the region, warned on Friday.


http://www.politicaltheatrics.net/2010/02/israeli-media-were-too-weak-to-overthrow-regime-in-syria/

Its awfully convenient isn't it, this so called revolt in Syria.. after only a year or so after those statements. :|

Watch this video, the man said it all: -



A war on Syria would be catastrophic....leading to a much larger war involving more countries especially Iran and Israel..


http://wup-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=10553&start=940

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you speak of the west as this all for one opposing force, does this mean every human being in the western hemisphere is associated with death and destruction. its hard to get to the truth when one does not break down the problem better than when making generalizations, u will get nowhere...not trying to be offensive, for example if someone was to assasinate a friend of yours, you saw the shooter but by immediatly killing him have u really solved the issue of why, or if another will come and from where? if you are the last left to battle dajjal would u exhaust the possibility that by cutting off its arms and legs u have defeated it?


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you speak of the west as this all for one opposing force, does this mean every human being in the western hemisphere is associated with death and destruction. its hard to get to the truth when one does not break down the problem better than when making generalizations, u will get nowhere...not trying to be offensive, for example if someone was to assasinate a friend of yours, you saw the shooter but by immediatly killing him have u really solved the issue of why, or if another will come and from where? if you are the last left to battle dajjal would u exhaust the possibility that by cutting off its arms and legs u have defeated it?


Just to clarify, by the west, what is being implied is the Zionist elite who control it and not the masses.

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if we are not mistaken, any ruling elite can still be broken down into direct family names and corporate entities private property, personal guards and so on so forth, out in the open, very tricky...there may be an east west north south, but there is no amerika, israel, iran, china, syria these are words on paper like a constitution, and realistically when you put actions, words and ideas on paper they then become weak and can be sidestepped, slaves are made this way....


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What was the point of your post AIMR? You accused me of things and then proceeded to do it all yourself in the same few paragraphs.


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You speak as if they are just innocent posters who should be adored for their comments and left alone, yet they are of my age and probably older, and they speak with as much confidence if not more than I do. I don't claim to perceive any picture that others cannot, they just choose not to see the reality on the ground. They have to answer for their words just as I, and they have effects in this life and the next, and I am not talking for myself, but the Muslims in syria are suffering and are being ignored, that is bad enough, but to claim its all a hoax and like Syed-Z did, that it's 'Sunnis' oppressing minorities, then enough is enough of these snake tongues.

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If your so naive to think the Zionists aren't the ones who aren't going to take advantage of these revolts and use it as an excuse to attack Syria then sadly you have a lot of learning to do from from history


Here you display the narrowness of vision that is epidemic amongst Muslims today. Isn't it just like in Pakistan, where they will insult anything and everyone, except the security forces and the army, out of fear of Zionists invading, even though this same army and security force imprison, terrorise, torture, murder and oppress all the time. I used to focus on the Zionists, but this is just a negative, just a reaction. If you really want to deal with the situation and bring about change in the conciousness of people, then you have to be proactive and positive. This won't happen until Muslims get their head out of the sand and place the blame where it is due, this is where wisdom that we just don't have is needed. Maybe you will sit here for 20 years on your computer, bemoaning the situation, and in those 20 years, everything you warned about and complained about will happen. Then what, what good have you achieved from it? Muslims need to stand on their own two feet, but they can't do that until they address the problems in their own back yard, and at the moment, they are pretending, when its convenient for them, that it is all an outside conspiracy.
Likewise, giving the people of Syria a choice between two oppressions and then trying to justify the first by way of fear of the second doesn't make any sense at all.

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If you think the UN should be the one to handle the affairs of the Muslim Ummah while the Muslim Ummah is so weak at handling their own affairs which has only become possible because of Muslims chasing the dunya and allowing oppressors to rule them then of course we must be deluded to want to know if signs are occurring and the truth which in turn should lead us to make the right choices and have the right outlook Insh'Allah. Your on a truthseeking website, don't like it then leave it.


No idea where you got the idea that the UN should handle the affairs of the Muslim Ummah. In fact, I mentioned the words wala and bara in my post, study it a bit and you would realise I would never endorse the Kuffar handling the affairs of the Muslims. The answer to the solution is as Imam Malik said "The latter part of this Ummah will not be rectified except by that which rectified its first part" Learn from the Sahaba and their leader, the Prophet Muhammad Sallalahu alayhi wasalaam, and don't just bear empty words, but implement it, and then we will be successful. Of course this is from Allah, or do you think that Allah would let the disbelievers loose rampantly on the Muslims when they have his pleasure? The answer therefore is to Understand the Deen, implement it and call to it, it is that simple. What is this 'truthseeking', it sounds like something the Greek Philosophers were upon, or some New Age spiritual/political ideology. No, the Muslims already have clear sources and a clear criterion. If you want to make change, you have to be academic about it and lets be honest, the amateur truthseeking movement isn't academic or apparently that Islamically learned either. You may take what I'm saying as arrogance, but its not, and what you seem to be doing is a form of veiled derision, when you mock things you don't want to accept because they oppose you via symbolic gestures and words of insult or labelling.

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Its so easy for people with superiority complexes like you to come in, not give an alternative view but just bash everyone as well stereotype them.


What I posted was an alternative view, clearly.





*America has been supporting the Government in Somalia against al-Shabab for a long time, and they are taking advantage of the famine to swing the favour in the way of those they support, so I don't know what your point with Somalia was

As for syria, its not some magical perception, its right in front of everyone's eyes, but they don't want to see it because as I said, they live in this black and white world of *zionists conspirators* vs anti-NWO, and in the process they whitewash what is occurring in Syria, which is horrific oppression. We don't want the West in those countries, we want the Muslims to get a grip and throw the devils out themselves, and make no mistake, many of the tribes in Syria have had enough and are pledging to fight for the sake of Allah against this munafiq who is in charge, but what is disgusting is that those in Western countries or on the internet want to belittle what is a life or death situation for our brothers and sisters there. They want to put in their opinions when they aren't backed up by any understanding, rather they rely on other theories they have put together.


Let me make a point- You have turned this into the 'West this', 'West that', and have sealed what I have said in a golden envelope- Whenever someone makes a point that tries to take the Muslims away from this obsession with what Western civilisation is planning and doing, they get all emotional and angry, yet when their own brothers and sisters are being oppressed, they don't seem to have the same reactions, as they feel it is actually a victory to perpetually shoot bullets in the plans of the West, whether what they say is right or wrong on each particular occasion, due to thinking that because they have grand plans, everything they say and claim must also be rejected as it is all part of the grand plan and an imagination.

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What was the point of your post AIMR? You accused me of things and then proceeded to do it all yourself in the same few paragraphs.


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If people have made a mistake, correct them and show them the real picture which you claim to perceive

You speak as if they are just innocent posters who should be adored for their comments and left alone, yet they are of my age and probably older, and they speak with as much confidence if not more than I do. I don't claim to perceive any picture that others cannot, they just choose not to see the reality on the ground. They have to answer for their words just as I, and they have effects in this life and the next, and I am not talking for myself, but the Muslims in syria are suffering and are being ignored, that is bad enough, but to claim its all a hoax and like Syed-Z did, that it's 'Sunnis' oppressing minorities, then enough is enough of these snake tongues.

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If your so naive to think the Zionists aren't the ones who aren't going to take advantage of these revolts and use it as an excuse to attack Syria then sadly you have a lot of learning to do from from history


Here you display the narrowness of vision that is epidemic amongst Muslims today. Isn't it just like in Pakistan, where they will insult anything and everyone, except the security forces and the army, out of fear of Zionists invading, even though this same army and security force imprison, terrorise, torture, murder and oppress all the time. I used to focus on the Zionists, but this is just a negative, just a reaction. If you really want to deal with the situation and bring about change in the conciousness of people, then you have to be proactive and positive. This won't happen until Muslims get their head out of the sand and place the blame where it is due, this is where wisdom that we just don't have is needed. Maybe you will sit here for 20 years on your computer, bemoaning the situation, and in those 20 years, everything you warned about and complained about will happen. Then what, what good have you achieved from it? Muslims need to stand on their own two feet, but they can't do that until they address the problems in their own back yard, and at the moment, they are pretending, when its convenient for them, that it is all an outside conspiracy.
Likewise, giving the people of Syria a choice between two oppressions and then trying to justify the first by way of fear of the second doesn't make any sense at all.

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If you think the UN should be the one to handle the affairs of the Muslim Ummah while the Muslim Ummah is so weak at handling their own affairs which has only become possible because of Muslims chasing the dunya and allowing oppressors to rule them then of course we must be deluded to want to know if signs are occurring and the truth which in turn should lead us to make the right choices and have the right outlook Insh'Allah. Your on a truthseeking website, don't like it then leave it.


No idea where you got the idea that the UN should handle the affairs of the Muslim Ummah. In fact, I mentioned the words wala and bara in my post, study it a bit and you would realise I would never endorse the Kuffar handling the affairs of the Muslims. The answer to the solution is as Imam Malik said "The latter part of this Ummah will not be rectified except by that which rectified its first part" Learn from the Sahaba and their leader, the Prophet Muhammad Sallalahu alayhi wasalaam, and don't just bear empty words, but implement it, and then we will be successful. Of course this is from Allah, or do you think that Allah would let the disbelievers loose rampantly on the Muslims when they have his pleasure? The answer therefore is to Understand the Deen, implement it and call to it, it is that simple. What is this 'truthseeking', it sounds like something the Greek Philosophers were upon, or some New Age spiritual/political ideology. No, the Muslims already have clear sources and a clear criterion. If you want to make change, you have to be academic about it and lets be honest, the amateur truthseeking movement isn't academic or apparently that Islamically learned either. You may take what I'm saying as arrogance, but its not, and what you seem to be doing is a form of veiled derision, when you mock things you don't want to accept because they oppose you via symbolic gestures and words of insult or labelling.

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Its so easy for people with superiority complexes like you to come in, not give an alternative view but just bash everyone as well stereotype them.


What I posted was an alternative view, clearly.





*America has been supporting the Government in Somalia against al-Shabab for a long time, and they are taking advantage of the famine to swing the favour in the way of those they support, so I don't know what your point with Somalia was

As for syria, its not some magical perception, its right in front of everyone's eyes, but they don't want to see it because as I said, they live in this black and white world of *zionists conspirators* vs anti-NWO, and in the process they whitewash what is occurring in Syria, which is horrific oppression. We don't want the West in those countries, we want the Muslims to get a grip and throw the devils out themselves, and make no mistake, many of the tribes in Syria have had enough and are pledging to fight for the sake of Allah against this munafiq who is in charge, but what is disgusting is that those in Western countries or on the internet want to belittle what is a life or death situation for our brothers and sisters there. They want to put in their opinions when they aren't backed up by any understanding, rather they rely on other theories they have put together.


Let me make a point- You have turned this into the 'West this', 'West that', and have sealed what I have said in a golden envelope- Whenever someone makes a point that tries to take the Muslims away from this obsession with what Western civilisation is planning and doing, they get all emotional and angry, yet when their own brothers and sisters are being oppressed, they don't seem to have the same reactions, as they feel it is actually a victory to perpetually shoot bullets in the plans of the West, whether what they say is right or wrong on each particular occasion, due to thinking that because they have grand plans, everything they say and claim must also be rejected as it is all part of the grand plan and an imagination.


Very amusing, I use the word "western concern" once and you make it out to be I'm blaming everything on the west despite me clarifying it earlier.

You also assumed strangely that I was Nauzubillah condoning the present oppression in Syria which I don't have to sit on the internet to hear about.

Let me fix that misconception, I wasn't, have you read the thread title, its about the hypocritical sanctions on Syria. :| The reason the Zionists are discussed so much is because so many Muslims are comfortable living under their umbrella in comfort and blissful ignorance.

We're actually on the same page so I'm not going to argue. Agreed Muslims are as much to blame even more.

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*America has been supporting the Government in Somalia against al-Shabab for a long time, and they are taking advantage of the famine to swing the favour in the way of those they support, so I don't know what your point with Somalia was


The thread title is called US sanctions on Syria where their overly so called concern over Syria which has caused it dominating the headlines while there is suffering in places elsewhere shows hypocrisy.

Anyway as I said, on the same page so no further arguments from me.

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But Assad is bad...? He killed 2000 demonstrating people....

just so you know
i'm from syria and i think i know best than all of you here
BASHAR ALASAD is a great person and he relly loves his people
and most syrian people love him very much
the media sends a bad image of what's going on in here
some people were paied to make poblems and they were given arms and guns just to kill people randomly and say that
ALASAD did that .....-as you have you seen-
and so that, you only know that he is a bad person

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