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Hope its true. since the fall of Saddam, the sunnis in iraq had suffered a lot. If isis can bring back stability and peace in sunni regions then we should appreciate it.

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you know a lot of people ask "why the muslims are not vocal in opposition to IS" the above comment I think sums it up.


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ISIS bringing stability?! To whom? where?!
Wherever they go they bring DEATH AND SUFFERING
The forced praises ive seen by terrified people in propaganda videos are not at all believable.

All people deserve to live in peace, not just sunnis.

Bro Hageos, I must appologize for the careless and ignorant stance of so many muslims in regard to ISIS. It's shameful.

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ISIS bringing stability?! To whom? where?!
Wherever they go they bring DEATH AND SUFFERING
The forced praises ive seen by terrified people in propaganda videos are not at all believable.

All people deserve to live in peace, not just sunnis.

Bro Hageos, I must appologize for the careless and ignorant stance of so many muslims in regard to ISIS. It's shameful.


Listen sister. Yes, its true that we are all Muslim. But unfortunately throughout the past 1400 year's history of Islam, we had created various sects on the basis of religious discrepancies. That is why you just cannot say that Iraq is for everybody- Sunni, Shiite, Kurdi we all live together. It just don't happen. History repeats itself.

That is why we need separate autonomous states/countries with specific border lines on the basis of religious sects and not on the basis of language. I repeat not on the basis of language. Only then we may hope for peace.

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An Examinee you sound like you signed the sikes/picot agreement. you also sound like a murderer.
is the stability you talk about the public beheadings ? are the borders you talk about militaries ?
let me suggest that for the past 1400 years WE HAVE FAILED~! if the system has not worked, why would it ever begin to work ?
you have the blood of your own people on your hands. there is no forgiveness for a betrayer of ones own kind.
you should repent, and you should return and apologize.


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An Examinee you sound like you signed the sikes/picot agreement. you also sound like a murderer.
is the stability you talk about the public beheadings ? are the borders you talk about militaries ?
let me suggest that for the past 1400 years WE HAVE FAILED~! if the system has not worked, why would it ever begin to work ?
you have the blood of your own people on your hands. there is no forgiveness for a betrayer of ones own kind.
you should repent, and you should return and apologize.


Ok. I apologize. Initially I said that if isis can bring back stability in sunni regions, we should appreciate it. I admit that isis is cruel towards sunni, shiite, kurdi alike. And we are already aware of the fact that Abu Bak'r al Baghdadi is actually mossad agent Simon Elliot. Its everywhere in the internet.

So, don't misunderstand my intention. :D

Now let's go to the main point. when british and french forces divided sham into various countries they didn't do this on the basis of religious sects. I don't know on which basis they divided sham, but I do know that their intention was to create the situation what we are observing now.

They created Iraq. There were sunni, shiite, kurdi all living in the same country. They created syria. There were sunni, shia, alawites living in the same country. This diversity is provoking conflict in middle east.

My opinion is -it would have been better if the region was divided on the basis of religious sects like Sunnistan, Kurdistan, Shiastan rather than iraq, syria. Of course I am talking about military borders. Secure and strong military borders will ensure that sunnis do not infiltrate shiite region and vice versa. And I am also in favor of emirates like gulf countries rather than democracy which causes division even if there is no major diversity among the people of a country.

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ok, I apologize for being so quik to anger.

brother, your still not getting the point. im gonna post a vid from our dear brother ahmed, hope this helps.

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an examinee, brother, what you wrote in your last post is the perfect example of 'divide and conquer'... had the french and brits thought of that when they carved the borders out - the muslims would have just killed each other off in regional wars way faster than what its taking now.... brother, please think before you write.

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an examinee, brother, what you wrote in your last post is the perfect example of 'divide and conquer'... had the french and brits thought of that when they carved the borders out - the muslims would have just killed each other off in regional wars way faster than what its taking now.... brother, please think before you write.

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Well what I intended to say is that if keeping cats of different breeds in the same house causes them to fight each other, you better keep them apart.

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Mosul was created. Muslim and Christian lived there as brothers. guess who put and end to that after over a thousand years of interfaith stability.


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hageos wrote:
Mosul was created. Muslim and Christian lived there as brothers. guess who put and end to that after over a thousand years of interfaith stability.


If you are a christian, you better know its your satanic catholic church(USA) which did this. They are the neocons, modern day crusaders.
And By the way I was talking about conflict between sunni-shiite not between muslim and christians.

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an examinee, brother, what you wrote in your last post is the perfect example of 'divide and conquer'... had the french and brits thought of that when they carved the borders out - the muslims would have just killed each other off in regional wars way faster than what its taking now.... brother, please think before you write.

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Well what I intended to say is that if keeping cats of different breeds in the same house causes them to fight each other, you better keep them apart.


Cats is one thing, human beings are another.

Throughout history, whenever tribal groups lived in segregated regions, they always fought regional wars against eachother - history is a great teacher of human trait... to put sects into their own territories does not promote any unity within Islam and only promotes sectarian animosity which eventually builds to such a crescendo of hatred that war becomes inevitable. You were citing a theoretical example on a microcosm, but when you take a look at the macrocosm example of Iraq and Iran, ie: sunni vs shia - I prove my point once again.

Thus, what you theoretically recommend is not a viable option for Muslims.

I'd like you to remember that "divide and conquer" is exactly what got us Muslims so weakened in the modern age in the first place - at the very least it played a crucial role in the development of our collective weakness.

Yet when you try to promote the very same ideals as the PTB, I do question your logic - I'm starting to think that the frustration of our collective Ummah is wearing you down akhi and so, you are grasping at concepts whilst musing them as possible avenues for our reformation... but reformation does not happen until the arrival of Mahdi, and so - we wait... patiently, working on our selves to become better examples of Muslims in this age.

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Scimitar wrote:
You were citing a theoretical example on a microcosm, but when you take a look at the macrocosm example of Iraq and Iran, ie: sunni vs shia - I prove my point once again.

Thus, what you theoretically recommend is not a viable option for Muslims.


Brother I appreciate your advocacy of unity. practically unity and tolerance is the only way out.

You talked about Iran-Iraq failure.
Do you know why Iran has always been 95% more stable than Iraq?
Because of the ratio of Shia-Sunni population. Lets use some statistics to assert my theory of separate states/countries with military borders for separate sects.

Iran
Shia population: 89%
Sunni population: 9%
Shia:Sunni ratio is almost 9:1

Iraq
Shia population: 60%
Sunni population: 40%
Shia:Sunni ratio is almost 6:4

So why does it matter?
It maters because when you have shia:sunni=9:1 in Iran, the shias are way to strong to be challenged. The sunnis will be cautious since they know that they are clearly the minorities. that is why sunnis tend to stay calm in Iran.

But when you have shia:sunni=6:4 in Iraq, the gap is narrow. Both sides have almost equal strength. No side is ready to consider themselves as minorities and thus do not remain calm.

Whether you agree or not, this is the reality. Because of this population ratio factor Iran has always been 95% or even more stable than Iraq. And that is why we need separate countries for separate sects with 10:0 population ratio. This means in sunni countries there should be almost zero shia population and vice versa.

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You're right one some things, I admit that openly. However, in relation to Iraq, let's not forget that it was Saddam Hussein who started this whole sunni shia nonsense in his own land which then became something which affected Iran's security. When Saddam invaded Kuwait, that was the curtain call for his rule, yet the devastating impact of his actions on his own people (the sunni and shia of Iraq) ensured that the conflict had reached proportions which are difficult to reconcile with mere advocacy for each - too much blood had been spilt and too many feuds had already been seeded within the land for any reconciliation to take place...

...thus I say, the only real hope we have left is reformation - and we know that this will not happen until the Mahdi is truly amongst us.

The prophet pbuh told us that we are 1 ummah, 1 nation, 1 people - race, creed, etc do not factor into our psyche as we know from the Quran that Allah created us into nations and tribes so we may "know each other" and the best amongst us is he who is best in conduct and best in deeds.

The unity in Islam is wholly dependant on undoing the borders which the imperialists had carved out in Muslim lands, and when you think about it - this is one major factor in the development of national pride and racism amongst us Muslims.

You know me bro, i don't mince my words, so I'll be open and honest even if it invites trouble here: Muslims of the modern age are some of the most racist people i have ever had the displeasure to know, and that is a fact i cannot just shrug off and pretend we're a "great people" because we aren't... we haven't been for centuries. This slow decline of our moral compass and understanding of unity is something which was engineered and taken advantage of, to the utmost levels by the Brits who tempted the Saud with the idea of "rulership over the Hejaaz"... since then, it's all documented and recognised as deception layered upon deception....

In my honest opinion, I feel that the Wahhabi's were taken advantage of by the sauds, and then made to enjoy the richness and reputation, honour and prestige that came along with being associated with the "monarchy"... thus the Kingdom of Tyranny is truly amongst us now, and we all know the reality of the house of Saud in the modern age. Their exuberance and lacklustre regard for humanity in their own lands is something I personally am witness to.

weird isn't it? the greatest contradictions I have seen in life were in the holy cities themselves... brings a tear to my eyes just recalling those times where I witnessed very bad things there.

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just wanna make a reference to Hegelian dialectic here.

one strawman argument vs. another strawman argument producing a hybridized strawman argument. ALL RABIT HOLES LEADING TO NOTHING BUT EMPTY SPACE.

this is what I feel like everytime I come to wupforums. constantly circumventing the point until it becomes lost.

an examinee, heres the point. please look at yourself in mirror. you point the catholic church at me as if I am responsible, as if I have any ownership what-so-ever. then you claim they are crusaders. ok. well, what if I said I support PMC's crusading the middle east to ensure my own stability ? would that not put me in the same bed as you, supporting IDIOT KWAJIRI in guise of stability ? who are just as much to blame, by the way, as any satanic member of any satanic institution. its a co-op anyway you slice it. and it always has been. you got madmen and idiots arm in arm.

brother, maybe you have been poisoned by propaganda.

and yes mosul for me is a sore spot of irreparable damage. I have sought for years common ground, and it comes far and few between. I just lost the best example. not only me but all the Christians who practiced ancient Aramaic arm in arm with muslims. cats and dogs eating from the same bowl.


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I asked for feedback on the video not on isis :( . I already know who isis is what isis is. The video looks like it is made in hollywood... a british journalist riding the police motobyke with an isis policeman? :roll:


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Iraq
Shia population: 60%
Sunni population: 40%
Shia:Sunni ratio is almost 6:4



0 christians?
0 Yazidis?


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LeMaghrebin wrote:
An Examinee wrote:


Iraq
Shia population: 60%
Sunni population: 40%
Shia:Sunni ratio is almost 6:4



0 christians?
0 Yazidis?


among the shia-sunni total population the ratio is 6:4. I didn't count christians and yazidis.

The Yazidis believe in the Supreme one and only God "MALAK TAUS or TAWSI MELEK" who is the leader of sever other angels whom the Yazidis worship. Yazidis worship him five times a day. His other name is Shaytan, which is Arabic for devil.The Yazidis say MALAK TAUS is the only angel who refused to bow down to Adam at his creation. He fell from God’s favour. His tears had put out the fire of hell.

We all know who refused to bow down to adam. Its Iblis.
And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves before Adam.". And they prostrated except Iblis (Satan), he refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers (disobedient to Allah). (Quran:2:34)

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