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Assalamu Alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatahu,

With the events turning out to be so dramatical in this modern times, one would wonder where we are heading towards.

Just for sake of argument, lets assume that Dajjal's day like a month is coming to an end leading way to 3rd phase - A day like a week.

So far, our journey has progressed in a way where we have been depending on American economy, jobs and so on and that our life at one point has been influenced with American way of thought and that we were ok with it.

So what will you do, if Israel indeed becomes a world power and a ruling state taking decisions and calling terms on your life, will you obey it and look for a job that will serve Israel (like the jobs today which serve American interest) or what will you do to survive?

Cause one way or an another, the ruling nation takes calls and influence the world countries like America is doing in its authority, so serving Israeli interest will lead you to get a job or livelihood, what will you do?

i have been questioning the same thing in my mind and i want to know what you folks think about it.


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In my opinión if we ask ourselves this question, we are already half way trapped.
At that time, we have to ask the question what Allah swt and His last prophet Muhammad saws warned us to do, or recommended us to do. I know that hard changes of lives will have to take place, but it is part of our ultimate test.
And remember that dajjal himself is much less than his fitnah.


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Noor Din wrote:
In my opinión if we ask ourselves this question, we are already half way trapped.


True brother.

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At that time, we have to ask the question what Allah swt and His last prophet Muhammad saws warned us to do, or recommended us to do. I know that hard changes of lives will have to take place, but it is part of our ultimate test.
And remember that dajjal himself is much less than his fitnah.


I remember an hadith where Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him, informed us that before 3years from the year of Dajjal arrival, the rainfall will become deficient.

3 years before dajjal arrival, the rainfall will be recorded 50 percent lower
2 years before dajjal arrival, the rainfall will be recorded 75 percent lower
and the year before dajjal arrival, there will be no rainfall.

And all the animals will die and there will be food scarcity. At that time, the companions asked prophet muhammed what will happen with the believers when there is no food at all, for that prophet muhammed replied that, by reciting words praising Allah subaana wa taala the believers will not get hungry at all.

I understand this as equivalent with Ramadhan fasting, where we dont feel hunger while fasting since Allah removes the hunger from our mind and soul.


Now, the time line when my question falls is around 10-15 years before Dajjal arrival and Allah knows best.

It is very very important to prepare ourselves in this time line because hunger will make man eat his words, abandon sanity. Prophet Muhammed himself feared this. he worried Hunger will lead the believers to Kuffar.

We pray to Allah subaana wa taala to protect all believers from this.

However, we have to be prepared like the sahaaba and prophet muhammed prepared before Hijiri. We cannot excuse ourself to the fact that we can face the Dajjals fitnah with Allah by our side. Although that is very true, we should prepare our selves Mentally and Physically for the upcoming fitnah.

So Any suggestions?


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buy guns.
lots of guns. big guns. and ammo.
learn to fight. learn to get hurt and push beyond pain, hunger, and fatigue.
learn to survive a collapse of govt infrastructure. stock up on supplies. prepare.

And Pray :)

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Assalamu Alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatahu,



Alaiukum Assalam Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh Brother, :)


1. first ten verses of surah al-kahf

The Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) said,
" If anyone learns by heart the first ten verses of the Surah al-Kahf, he will be protected from the Dajjal.
(Sahih Muslim: Book #004, Hadith #1766)

I've seen most hadeeths are suggesting running away from dajjal rather than fighting him and run towards mountains/remote places...( there must be a connection between surah kafh and taking refuge in the mountain but I cant seem to connect the dots here)

2. during every prayer right after saying salawat

(Allaahumma baarik alaa Muhammad wa alaa aali Muhummad, kamaa baarakta alaa Ibraaheem, wa alaa aali Ibraaheem, innaka hameedum Majeed) [ right after this we are supposed to suplicate either a or b from below] ==> The Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) used to use different supplications in his prayer, supplicating with different ones at different times; he also endorsed other supplications, and "ordered the worshipper to select of them what he wishes."


a)"Allah Humma Inni A'uudhu bika min Adhaabi Jahanam wa min adhaabil qabar wa min fitnatil mahyaa wa mamaat , wa min sharra fitnatil Masih Ad-Dajjal" (from Muslim, Abu `Awaanah, Nasaa'i & Ibn al-Jaarood in al-Muntaqaa (27). It is given in Irwaa' (350). .
( O Allaah! I truly seek refuge with You] from the punishment of Hell fire, and from the punishment of the grave, and from the trials of living and dying, and from the evil [trials] of the False Christ. )


b)"Allah humma innee Auzubika min azabil qabri wa Auzubika min fitna tid daj-jali, wa Auzubika min fitna til mahya wal mamat. Allah humma inee Auzubika minal Ma'thami wal maghrami". ( O Allaah! truly I seek refuge with You from the punishment of the grave, and I seek refuge with you from the trials of the False Christ, and I seek refuge with You from the trials of living and dying. O Allaah! truly I seek refuge with You from sin and burden) (From Bukhari and Muslim).

(End of Tashahud.)

3. through dhikr preparing spiritual food,
( in my opinion, this is a very long process but once you learn to train your nafs and soul through constant dhikr, then there wont be any need for the worldly food to feed your physical body for that specific time period)

Initially written by an 'Alim (Shaykh Anas (HA), from Darul Uloom Ashrafiyah), any translation error is mine.

•A tense situation & its remedy

During a period of 1 year 2 months and 14 days [Forty days with one day like a year, one day like a month, one day like a week, and the rest of the days normal], there will be practically no food available under the reign of the false messiah, Ad-Dajjal, unless one believes in this impostor.

In fact before his arrival there will already be nothing left because of severe droughts and then will the one-eyed dajjal emerge with abundance of food and drinks, claiming to be "The saviour".

Asma' bint Yazid [] relates the Prophet said 'During the three years just before him (Dajjal), there will be one year when the sky will withhold one third of its rain and the earth one-third of its fruits. In the second year the sky will withhold two-thirds of its rain, and the earth two-thirds of its fruits. In the third year the sky will withhold all of its rain, and the earth all of its fruits, and all the animals will die'. She later confessed, 'O Messenger of Allah, we do not bake our dough until we are hungry' (Musnad Ahmad)

A'isha [] says the Messenger of Allah mentioned a trouble (jahd) that happens just before the dajjal. Some sahabahs [] then asked 'Which worldly thing will it be better (to have) at this moment?' He replied 'A strong servant who can give drinks to his people [by drawing water from wells]. As for food, there won't be any' (Ahmad 23330, some ahadith may be weak but the global meaning is trustworthy according to Ibn Kathir [Rahimahullah] in nihaya fil fitan wal malahim, pp92-93)

This hadith shows water becoming so rare globally that it would only be found in the depths like wells.

Then will the Dajjal appear, having with him food and water in great abundance. He will come after those 3 years of severe drought and will give to anyone following him.
This will be a worldwide lack of food that's why the temptation of following the dajjal will be great since there will be nothing to eat for those not following him.

The same hadith of Asma' continues : Dajjal will bring a Bedouin and say to him, "What if I bring your camels to life for you? Will you agree that I am your lord?" The Bedouin will say "Yes." So devils will assume the forms of his camels, with the fullest udders and the highest humps. Then he will bring a man whose father and brother have died, and will ask him, "What do you think if I bring your father and brother back to life? Will you agree that I am your lord?" The man will say "Yes," so the devils will assume the forms of his father and brother. Then the Prophet went out for something, and then returned. The people were very concerned about what he had told them. He stood in the doorway and asked, 'What is wrong, Asma'? I said, 'O Messenger of Allah, you have terrified us with what you said about the Dajjal. He said, 'He will certainly appear. If I am still alive, I will contend with him on your behalf; otherwise Allah will take care of every Muslim on my behalf'.

It is important to note that Dajjal won't exert any constraint (ikrah) on people following him ; he will just be proposing it "for free" ie it will be up to one to follow him in the end.

So how will the believers do at this time ? Answer lies in the first hadith : believers will have Dhikrullah as food. The Prophet said, 'The glorification of Allah which suffices the people of Heaven will be sufficient for them'. (eg tasbih, taqdis, takbir, tahlil, tahmid)

•A question & its answer

If a muslim is in a remote place and fears for his life because nothing is available to eat, there is an exception (rukhsa) for him to even eat pork, in fact many 'ulama even consider it wajib for him (azimah, not a mere rukhsa).
Moreover, if a muslim is forced to utter words of kufr to remain alive, then there is ikrah and it is permissible for him to utter such words. Same is the case with acts of kufr under coercion, however in both cases he must reject it in his heart, ie not believe in such words, and also the situation must not be to the extent we come to believe with the heart in the end.

Then why is that during Dajjal's time will it be impermissible to join him, while rejecting him in our heart, just to eat because of such a shortage?

As seen above it is permissible for a muslim who is coerced to utter words/do acts of kufr to remain alive, provided he rejects it in his heart.
However our Prophet Sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam said in another hadith 'Let him who hears of the Dajjal (Antichrist) go far from him for I swear by Allah that a man will come to him thinking he is a believer and (end up to) follow him because of confused ideas roused in him by him.' (Abu Dawud)
Additionally the Prophet guaranteed us that exceptionally (karamatan) the believers will be kept alive by reciting tasbih, tahmid, takbir & tahlil. This exception is only for this specific time as never in history people remained alive without eating)

This is why in Dajjal's time it will not be permissible to come near him 'only with the body' even with rejecting with the heart. There will be an alternative, we will not die of shortage of food, dhikrullah will suffice us insha'Allah hence the above two examples do not apply.

•Let us prepare spiritually

The pious believers will be saved bi idhnillah. That is why the Prophet Sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam replied to Al-Mughira bin Shu'ba [RadhiyAllahu 'anhu] who was quite worried saying 'I asked regarding Ad-dajjal. The Prophet said to me, "What worries you about him?" I said, "Because the people say that he will have a mountain of bread and a river of water with him (i.e. he will have abundance of food and water)" The Prophet said, "Nay, he is too mean to be allowed such a thing by Allah" or "he would be more insignificant in the sight of Allah than all these things (belonging to him)"' (Sahih Bukhari & Muslim) which means 'he is too despicable to Allah, Allah won't make the sincere, complete and pious believers (muqineen) distracted by him'. (Fath-ul-bari)

But what would unprepared muslims choose between being satisfied with spiritual food (subhanallah, alhamdulillah, Allahu akbar, la ilaha illallah...) versus mouth-watering physical food dajjal will offer whilst they are hungry?

It will be a double test : a) resisting at the physical level and b) remaining convinced & certain of the truthfulness of Prophet Muhammad ['alayhis salam]'s words. Both are linked : the gnawing hunger may lead to doubt (shakk) Prophet ['alayhis salam]'s words; some weak believers may say 'The one-eyed messiah is a good and charitable man, he's giving food while there is a famine; and by the way are we really sure of the hadiths attributed to the Prophet ? It's debatable, the Prophet ['alayhis salam] wouldn't order us not to eat, the mullahs say nonsense, they don't get the situation at all!'.

We should not prepare spiritually just because of dajjal's venue, rather this must be made in all circumstances. That is why the Prophet ['alayhis salam] said 'When three things appear faith will not benefit a soul who has not previously believed or has derived no good from his faith: the rising of the sun in its place of setting, the Dajjal, and the Beast of the earth'. (Sahih Muslim). The doors of repentance (tawbah) will be closed only after the sun has risen from the west, the dajjal will come before but his arrival is mentioned here, not because tawbah won't be accepted (repentance will still be possible under Prophet 'Isha [Jesus] alayhis salam), but because this trial will be so intense that just like a non-muslim won't believe in the Message of Prophet Muhammad ['alayhis salam], the same way a muslim who had remained in complete heedless won't be able to do good and reform himself; the trial will expose everybody's internal condition.

May Allah give us tawfiq to remain steadfast on His deen, and to follow every commands of His Rasul just like we believe in His Prophecies. http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthr ... reat-fitna


It was said: 'What will the people live on at that time?' He said: 'Tahlil, Takbir, Tasbih and Tahmid. That will take the place of food for them.'" Abu 'Abdullah (Ibn Majah) said: "I heard Abul-Hasan Tanafisi say: 'I heard 'Abdur-Rahman Al-Muharibi say: "This Hadith should be sent to every teacher so that they can teach it to the children in the schools."
English reference : Vol. 1, Book 36, Hadith 4077
Arabic reference : Book 36, Hadith 4215

He (sallallahu `alaihi wa sallam) was asked, "What sustains people during that time?" He (Prophet obuh) replied, "Tahlil, takbir and tahmid (Saying, la ilaha ill Allah, Allahu Akbar and al-hamdulillah). This will sustain them just as food does." [Sahih Al-Jami` as-Saghir, no. 7875]”




4. makkah and madinah

Anas bin Malik narrated that Prophet Mohammad صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "There will be no town the Dajjal will not visit, except Makka (Mecca) and Madina, for all their gates will be guarded by angels surrounding them. So, he will camp at the salt-marsh near Madina (other narrations specify Dajjal will camp in Ahud mountain near Madina). Madina will be shaken by three tremors (earthquakes), after which every disbeliever and hypocrite will leave it (to follow the Dajjal) ." (Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim)

Abu Huraira narrated that Allah's Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "The Dajjal will come from the direction of the East with the intention of attacking Medina until he camps behind Uhud (near Madina). Then, the angels (protecting Madina) will turn his face towards AsSham (Greater Syria) and there, he (the Dajjal) will perish." (Sahih Muslim)

Abu Huraira narrated that Allah's Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "There are angels guarding the mountain passes (entrances) of Madina, neither plague nor Ad-Dajjal will be able to enter it." (Sahih Bukhari)

hope this helps bro :salaam:


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J-Dub wrote:
buy guns.
lots of guns. big guns. and ammo.
learn to fight. learn to get hurt and push beyond pain, hunger, and fatigue.
learn to survive a collapse of govt infrastructure. stock up on supplies. prepare.

And Pray :)



Ha ha, nice one sis


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Alaiukum Assalam Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh Brother, :)

1. first ten verses of surah al-kahf



Checked for the time period of Dajjal, that is, Dajjal is among us. However, what about the decade before dajjal's arrival?

alladin212 wrote:
2. during every prayer right after saying salawat


Checked. Masha Allah, this dua will be handy. Also, Alhamdullillah, i am already including the dua in my prayers.

alladin212 wrote:
3. through dhikr preparing spiritual food,



Checked. But it speaks about the time period when Dajjal is among us and not the time line of the topic. If you mean that now itself we can control our food intake by doing dhikr, i dont think Allah has made our system in that way. We have to take food so that we may be just with our body.

alladin212 wrote:
Initially written by an 'Alim (Shaykh Anas (HA), from Darul Uloom Ashrafiyah), any translation error is mine.

It will be a double test



Spoiler is very informative, masha allah. A memory recall. But it speaks about the time period when Dajjal is among us and not the time line of the topic.


alladin212 wrote:

4. makkah and madinah



Only the blessed people will have a chance to be in the Makkah or Medina. The world will be in chaos with all mode of life hit. So its highly impossible for a believer residing in other parts of the world to make it to Makkah or Medina unless Allah wills otherwise :) and in sha allah, lets dua that we make it there.

In Sha Allah, it will be a strategic success if we make hijiri to the place of Islam, however, given todays barriers, it is unlikely.

Now i remember why it was reported that , when people hear the coming of Imam mahdi through the earthquake in arabia, they will go to join him. People need something to start and the coming of imam will kick start them and Allah knows best.

Peace,
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1. first ten verses of surah al-kahf
Checked for the time period of Dajjal, that is, Dajjal is among us. However, what about the decade before dajjal's arrival?


I don't really get what you meant up there.. :problem:

anyways, I found this at www.duas.org/suraben.doc ..virtues of sura khaf

Surah al-Kahf (The Cave)

This surah has 110 ayaat and it was revealed in Makkah. The Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) has said that whoever recites this surah will be protected from fitna (evil) for eight days. If a person recites the last verse of surah al-Kahf before sleeping at night, Allah (s.w.t.) creates a noor (light) from his sleeping place up to the Holy Ka’bah and in this light are angels who continually pray for the reciter until he wakes up.

It is narrated from Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (a.s.) that if a person wishes to wake up at a particular time, he should recite the last ayah of this surah and then make the intention that he will wake up at a certain time and he will wake up at that time. He (a.s.) also said that if a person recites this surah every Thursday night, he will die the death of a martyr. Keeping this surah (written) in the house becomes a means of protection from poverty and debts.


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Checked. But it speaks about the time period when Dajjal is among us and not the time line of the topic. If you mean that now itself we can control our food intake by doing dhikr, i dont think Allah has made our system in that way. We have to take food so that we may be just with our body.


I wasn't talking about now. However, you can check this thread out created by brother "shell1331" and see the benefits of doing dhikr viewtopic.php?f=12&t=22504

you probably haven't noticed/read the last part of the spoiler where it says

 : We should not prepare spiritually just because of dajjal's venue, rather this must be made in all circumstances. That is why the Prophet ['alayhis salam] said 'When three things appear faith will not benefit a soul who has not previously believed or has derived no good from his faith: the rising of the sun in its place of setting, the Dajjal, and the Beast of the earth'. (Sahih Muslim). The doors of repentance (tawbah) will be closed only after the sun has risen from the west, the dajjal will come before but his arrival is mentioned here, not because tawbah won't be accepted (repentance will still be possible under Prophet 'Isha [Jesus] alayhis salam), but because this trial will be so intense that just like a non-muslim won't believe in the Message of Prophet Muhammad ['alayhis salam], the same way a muslim who had remained in complete heedless won't be able to do good and reform himself; the trial will expose everybody's internal condition.


understandingpresent wrote:
Spoiler is very informative, masha allah. A memory recall. But it speaks about the time period when Dajjal is among us and not the time line of the topic.



again I don't get what you meant up there :problem:

understandingpresent wrote:
Only the blessed people will have a chance to be in the Makkah or Medina. The world will be in chaos with all mode of life hit. So its highly impossible for a believer residing in other parts of the world to make it to Makkah or Medina unless Allah wills otherwise :) and in sha allah, lets dua that we make it there.

Peace,
Riz


ameen :)


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Its all deception.

Why?

Seeing the sun rise from the west will not benefit you unless you were a believer before.

Many generations thought that they were living in the end times because they saw the future generations worse than they were.

What we should do:
Being muslim properly, if you do you will be 'tired' in the evening. If you dont become tired than you dont take being muslim serious.

Dont lose focus in these interesting times.


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alladin212 wrote:
I don't really get what you meant up there.. :problem:



Brother, what i meant was, the suggestions offered will In Sha Allah assist us when dajjal is actually among us, however my scope of question is, what will you do in the timeperiod before say 15 years of dajjal arrival.

Most of the suggestions offered by you is great Masha Allah. Some for instance, like reciting surah Kahf, i believe, it will prevent us from actual dajjal confrontation in sha allah.

See, todays world where there is so much misery and problem in muslim world, and we are yet to witness Sufiyani, allah knows best, so it will be worse in next 20 to 30 yeas. and we dont know when the event will trigger giving way for Sufiyani. Only Allah knows that.

While the biggest of signs are yet to take place and allah knows best, the muslim world is in so much choas and trouble, what will we do in next few years.

Thats my area of question. If America falls and Israel takes center stage, how can we change our livelihood to adjust the new world. what will you do?


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Muslim Matrix wrote:
Its all deception.

Why?

Seeing the sun rise from the west will not benefit you unless you were a believer before.

Many generations thought that they were living in the end times because they saw the future generations worse than they were.

What we should do:
Being muslim properly, if you do you will be 'tired' in the evening. If you dont become tired than you dont take being muslim serious.

Dont lose focus in these interesting times.



True. However, seeing the world today, we can anticipate more trouble and choas to follow in muslim world and may allah protect us from this.

Its better to prepare mentally instead of hoping that we can survive the fitnah when it comes.
Its more like the hadith, Tie your camel and then put your faith in Allah that the camel will not go astray.


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Brother, what i meant was, the suggestions offered will In Sha Allah assist us when dajjal is actually among us, however my scope of question is, what will you do in the timeperiod before say 15 years of dajjal arrival.

Most of the suggestions offered by you is great Masha Allah. Some for instance, like reciting surah Kahf, i believe, it will prevent us from actual dajjal confrontation in sha allah.


ok why don't you tell me this? lets say you hear dajjal is camping out in your neighborhood today and you start memorizing surah kahf only now upon hearing this news, you think it will really do anything?...same way if you stayed away from practicing all you life and right before death you try to recite Kalima Shahadat you think it would really help you?... what I try to mean is, why wait till that moment when dajjal actually does arrive? why not we start working on our imaan now and purify our hearts for 10/15 years so we will truly be prepared to hold onto our imaan? why not prepare ourselves spiritually and stay fit physically? surah kafh will help us stay away from fitna for 8 days...dhikr will help us strength our iman and will clean our hearts....lets forcus on how to practice khushoo in our salah...lets learn how to control our tongues and how to practice sabr...there is much to do in this 15/20 you are talking about...lets get on it than just talk about it bro..:)


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See, todays world where there is so much misery and problem in muslim world, and we are yet to witness Sufiyani, allah knows best, so it will be worse in next 20 to 30 yeas. and we dont know when the event will trigger giving way for Sufiyani. Only Allah knows that.

While the biggest of signs are yet to take place and allah knows best, the muslim world is in so much choas and trouble, what will we do in next few years.

Thats my area of question. If America falls and Israel takes center stage, how can we change our livelihood to adjust the new world. what will you do?


lol....now I can see what you mean as you put this in bold...as for me, I guess I would try to move away from big city and work on my imaan


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You've all over reacted to this BIGTIME lol. Sheesh.

What difference does it make to you if dajjal is ruling from one island or another? Do you not understand that the time periods are given as references to guard your imaan? THAT IS IT.

And you can do that from anywhere.... don't have to move somewhere else for that. You guys foster some seriously escapist mentalities - and that is not part of Muslim personality.

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You've all over reacted to this BIGTIME lol. Sheesh.

What difference does it make to you if dajjal is ruling from one island or another? Do you not understand that the time periods are given as references to guard your imaan? THAT IS IT.

Scimi


There is nothing like a good old bashing. Thumbs up for that.

We are here to prepare ourself didnt we brother? I say, there is nothing wrong in what we are discussing as our topic in hand is the period of fitnah itself.

Islam always believes in faith in Allah and preparedness. Just faith in Allah wont do in this world until you prepare for the sake of Allah.

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And you can do that from anywhere.... don't have to move somewhere else for that. You guys foster some seriously escapist mentalities - and that is not part of Muslim personality.
Scimi


Actually, you have a green signal to go out of place where you think your imam will face difficulties. That is not escapist mentalities bro. In one word - its Hijri!

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there is much to do in this 15/20 you are talking about...lets get on it than just talk about it bro..:)


OMG! Thats wat the question is about bro. We have to get on with it by preparing ourself and thats why this topic is all about.

I will never refute your statements of dhikr and kahf, that will be helpful. My question of thought is about what more can we do to overcome the obstacles which is in front of us.

I can hear you saying, read surah kahf and in sha allah you will overcome the obstacles. :shock: :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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lol....now I can see what you mean as you put this in bold...as for me, I guess I would try to move away from big city and work on my imaan


Bingo. So just like that you will move out of big city? I expected this answer from the moment i posted the question :D :D :D

So what will you do? where will you begin with? Moving out of your home to a new place just like that??? Will you survive a week without fulfilling physical needs?

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I will never refute your statements of dhikr and kahf, that will be helpful. My question of thought is about what more can we do to overcome the obstacles which is in front of us.



:D so far I've given you from whatever little knowledge I had about this matter and now you are asking more?..lol....i don't think I am qualified enough to give you anymore advice in this regards....please forgive me because I really don't know what else to tell you anymore


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So what will you do? where will you begin with? Moving out of your home to a new place just like that??? Will you survive a week without fulfilling physical needs?

Peace,
Riz


you seem a little hyper right now..lol...I would like to begin with my salat.... I am not going anywhere right now :)


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@alladin212,

Jazzak Allah Khair for your views bro. Let see what other views we get in the thread.


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There is nothing like a good old bashing. Thumbs up for that.

We are here to prepare ourself didnt we brother? I say, there is nothing wrong in what we are discussing as our topic in hand is the period of fitnah itself.

Islam always believes in faith in Allah and preparedness. Just faith in Allah wont do in this world until you prepare for the sake of Allah.


I think you are confused my brother. You are writing the obvious whilst ignoring the subtle yet profane. Let me explain.

Scimitar wrote:
And you can do that from anywhere.... don't have to move somewhere else for that. You guys foster some seriously escapist mentalities - and that is not part of Muslim personality.
Scimi


I was hoping the above quoted would not get lost on you, but it did unfortunately. You wrote the following:

understandingpresent wrote:
Actually, you have a green signal to go out of place where you think your imam will face difficulties. That is not escapist mentalities bro. In one word - its Hijri!


Hijra = Migration for the sake of Allah... which means that the land you live in is not letting you fulfil your Fardh in Islam.... Now - tell me, where you live, is Islam banned? Are masjids banned? Is salaah banned? Is fasting banned? Is giving in charity banned? etc etc if the answer is no - then you have really try harder to justify "hijra".

Your premise for this thread is "What will you do in dajjals day like a week" - You know about dajjal, you know he will claim to be a prophet, the messiah and then God - he will embrace the abrahamic faiths with an ungodly motivation so that he can deceive you - and we've been told if dajjal appears in front of you - to do what? "recite first ten or last ten ayah of al kahf over him".... that IS ENOUGH... why the migrations? And where on earth would you migrate to? And why exactly is it necessitated? To me - it just sounds like badly thought out knee jerk reaction which is not justified with the appearance of dajjal. Where's the logic? I don't see it!

An hadeeth in Saheeh Muslim reads: Mughirah ibn Shu’ba stated: No one asked God’s Messenger (peace be upon him), more about the Dajjal than I. He said (to me), “He should not be a source of worry to you for he would not be able to do any harm to you.” I said, “God’s Messenger, it is alleged that he would have along with him (abundance of) food and water.” Thereupon he said, “He (the Dajjal) and his ability to misguide the believers with what God has allowed to be created by his (the Dajjal’s) hands (i.e., the large quantities of food and water with him) would be insignificant in comparison to God’s ability to make these events a source for increasing the faith of the believers.”

Also mentioned in Saheeh Muslim are some Hadiths in which the Prophet Muhammad stated: “There will be no land which the Dajjal would not pass through or traverse except for Makkah and Madinah, and there would no passage out of the passages leading to them which would not be guarded by angels arranged in rows. Then he (the Dajjal) would appear in some tracts of land (which contain high concentrations of salt and wherein seepage occurs causing them to be barren) adjacent to the city of Madinah and it (Madinah) would sake violently such that every unbeliever and hypocrite would exit from it and move towards him (the Dajjal).

So let's get this straight bro Riz.

Dajjal will go everywhere except Makkah and Medina - so where would you migrate? Makkah or Medina? Not happening, it's hard enough getting a visa for Umrah these days.

So where is safe? The answer is in surah al Kahf. The whole surah gives you the tools with which to repel the deceptions of dajjal. The surah itself has 4 very BIG moral lessons in it - the understanding of these will let you see through dajjals methods and know his deceptions.

Moral 1: The people of the cave - The Trial of Faith
Moral 2: The owner of the two gardens - The Trial of Wealth
Moral 3: Musa AS and Khidr AS - The Trial of Knowledge
Moral 4: Dhul Qarnayn - The Trial of Power

The contemplation of these trials will allow you to conclude what good faith, rulership, statesmanship, governance and distribution are - and in light of that understanding you will be able to quote back exactly the right ayah in your heart with which to protext yourself from the deceptions of dajjal... but it takes work, and migrations are not a part of that work.

Migrations for the sake of Allah are only necessitated Islamically when the law of the land forbids you from fulfilling your religious duties - and so far, no country in the world has banned Islam bro.

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Bro... Is my understanding is that, as per you, the answer lies in surah Kahf, if we can use it to safeguard ourself when dajjal is already here, then in sha allah, by reciting it we will be safe guard from the trails before dajjal arrival.

If thats a case, i have no problem with your understanding. I guess, only Allah knows best and time will tell you, how the believers react when world is in turmoil!!!

I am sure you know this, but let me again tell you this, World will be a place of Hell before Dajjal arrives, every one will have to witness the global fitnah, be it in food shortage, water shortage, livelihood.... that is how dajjal will decept the people. when he finally arrives.




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Migrations for the sake of Allah are only necessitated Islamically when the law of the land forbids you from fulfilling your religious duties - and so far, no country in the world has banned Islam bro.

Scimi



Dont you think , your land and every thing will be safe when the world is heading to the climax of Dajjal's arrival (10 to 15 years before his arrival). I hope i am wrong, but i dont think Believers will have any place where they can follow Islam with freedom. Because, they will be prosecuted everywhere. Remember? Arabs will be killed in the way never seen before?


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I am sure you know this, but let me again tell you this, World will be a place of Hell before Dajjal arrives, every one will have to witness the global fitnah, be it in food shortage, water shortage, livelihood.... that is how dajjal will decept the people. when he finally arrives.


You're mentioning the time of dajjals physical days like our days which number 37 days only... just pack some tin cans and dry foods _ water bottles, you'll be fine.

As for what he will hold within his grasp and offer to the people - well thats a game of right hand vs left hand. If you refrain from entertaining his game, you won't have to make a choice since you would already be adhering to islam, savvy?

37 days... its not a long time in our space-time continuum.

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Migrations for the sake of Allah are only necessitated Islamically when the law of the land forbids you from fulfilling your religious duties - and so far, no country in the world has banned Islam bro.

Scimi



understandingpresent wrote:
Dont you think , your land and every thing will be safe when the world is heading to the climax of Dajjal's arrival (10 to 15 years before his arrival). I hope i am wrong, but i dont think Believers will have any place where they can follow Islam with freedom. Because, they will be prosecuted everywhere. Remember? Arabs will be killed in the way never seen before?


Really? Well, the ahadeeth strongly disagree with you there. Since Islam will be the religion with the largest number of followers during the time of arrival of dajjal - further, we have hadeeth which notify us that even if the hour is established within our lifetimes, while we are planting a seedling - to carry on planting the seedling... from that analogy, I can certainly conclude that you can still be a practicing Muslim when dajjal is on the land.

As for Arab being killed in a way never seen before - you know they never had guns back in the prophet pbuh day right?

You follow history?

If you do, please think about the way Arab nations have suffered over the past 70 years - btw, the hadeeth about arabs being killed is referring to gog magog fitan... and not dajjal.

Scimi


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