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Ok, so I had this video in my youtube feed named "Israeli's: what do you think Jesus, Mary and Christianity?" and ignored it for the best part of a week - until just now.

I watched it just because I was curious...



...Now here is the thing. The video was shot entirely in Jerusalem, Israel. The interviewer is asking Jews what they think about Jesus, Mary and Christianity.

But you'll notice something else - most of these Israeli Jews - are actually secular and don't follow religion at all.

So let me get this straight - most of Israel is Jewish, but not following their faith - that's what I take away from the video.

So why the need to return to their promised land if they don't believe?

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I think the sample of that survey is just following something or some1 but they don't know the real reason behind. As the half of the world doesn't know whats going on here

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Yup, they try to promote the idea that Israel is full of practicing Jews... the reality is that the Jews of Israel are pretty much atheist in majority. And that next generation is gonna make that stat widen a lot.

yet we're being sold the "return to the holy land" hype? What kind of hypocritical nonsense we're having to deal with eh?

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The return to the holy land is a zionist idea and not necessary a jewish one.

I used to have a signature which says zionists dont believe there is God but they believe God promise them a holy land.


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Unread post Re: How Jewish are the Jews of Israel?
Simple - GENETICS....
time again it's been proven & time again this info is being suppressed;

the majority of white European Zionist Israelis are non semites (progenies of Yafeth bin Nuh)
and they are the ones that are oppressing the Semitic (progenies of Shem bin Nuh) people whom are the Palestinian Arabs

No worries for these impostors....they've got the ADL and the mass media to portray otherwise

so what business do these impostors lay claim on a piece of real state that has never belonged to them?


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Very true, and of course an obvious fact for us WUP members here bro Asralfarhi,

what got me scratching my head was the sheer numbers of supposed Israeli's who were actually atheists.

As for Israel as a piece of real estate - that really is a modern phenomenon, in no point in history was Judea ever referred to as Israel.

The supposed justification for Israel's right to exist was engineered through both world wars (and before) - but whenever I ask a zionist, they claim that it's pre-destined as the coming Kingdom which was promised to their Moschiach... and from what I have studied from scripture - the Kingdom they talk of is not a physical Kingdom, but a spiritual one. Further, Israel was never a bordered region in any time in history - in fact it was not even recognised as a region - Judea was !!!

In relation to the word "Israel", the term specifically refers to the prophet Jacob and the twelve tribes he fathered - so when God refers to "sons of Israel" - in context - the reference is for those believers who still hold onto the beliefs which Jacob the prophet held - pbuh.

And this is why I am scratching my head - because today, this imposter nation called Israel, is mostly full of atheists who call themselves Jews, but cannot prove their lineage nor have any inkling nor desire to be believers.

I wonder, if Moses pbuh or Jesus pbuh were to visit earth today and take a walk in Jerusalem, what would they think, what would they say?

I highly doubt they would be impressed - my innate sense tells me they will be quite angry at the bastardisation of scriptural context in this, the modern age.

Scimi

EDIT: just found this from wiki:

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According to the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics, the population in 2011 was 75.4% Jewish, 20.6% Arab, and 4.1% minority groups.

The religious affiliation of the Israeli population[vague] as of 2011 was 75.4% Jewish, 16.9% Muslim, 2.1% Christian, and 1.7% Druze, with the remaining 4.0% not classified by religion.


Yet, the interviewer in the video managed to find every atheist in Israel, without trying? Really? :D stats must be doctored is what I am thinking.

EDIT 2: found this in the comment section for the video on YT -

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Johnny Tightlips11 hours ago

Jews don't believe in anything. They are practically heathens. They have the largest number of atheists of any religious group. Communism was the brainchild of Jews.


...interesting, isn't it?

an imposter nation - more than just pretending to be Jewish, yet openly admitting their atheism... wow, what a reveal !


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Unread post Re: How Jewish are the Jews of Israel?
The return to their promised land has no religious motives whatsoever, but serves as medium for controlling the masses; after Allah (swt) cursed them, and exiled them, they repeat the same pattern of behavior as with Moses (a.s.) and Jesus (a.s.) - a futility so great, a blindness so powerful that they will not yield until the End of Days. That misguidedness has them believe to surmount as victors led by Dajjal - the greatest of temptations.

Allah (swt) says: So leave Me, [O Muhammad], with [the matter of] whoever denies the Qur'an. We will progressively lead them [to punishment] from where they do not know.
And I will give them time. Indeed, My plan is firm.
- Qur'an (Surat Al-Qalam, verses 44-45)

Why do you think no other religion, no other cult/sect/formation is targeted as vehemently as Islam?

They wish that you would soften [in your position], so they would soften [toward you]. - Qur'an (Surat Al-Qalam, verses 9)

Because, would we be anything else - an atheist, buddhist, shintoist, etc. - no flags would ever be raised against us. They know Islam is the true religion, Qur'an His true word, and Muhammad (pbuh) His last prophet.

Bottom-line is - remaining steadfast, beseeching His guidance; especially in this time of fitna.


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Unread post Re: How Jewish are the Jews of Israel?
The race question is a moot point in this time and age when it comes to the Jews. It used to matter during the biblical Israel when Jews were a bit more religious collectively than they are today. For quite a long time, Jews have intermarried with other ethnic groups and religion that the "Jewish" race has disappeared. I believe to them being Jewish boils down to their religious and national/cultural identity. And I think for them religion and nationality is one and the same. I was surprised to learn that one can call himself a Jew and maintain that he is an atheist. For Muslims and Christians such would be absurd, as denying existence of God would disqualify one from being either Muslim or Christian. Yet, Jews consider it just a normal occurrence today precisely because being a Jew is just an identity--one just chooses what kind of identity (religious or cultural/national or both).

How many Jews are religious Jews? Haaretz says only about 38% of Jews are religious, 80% believe God exists, 54% are non-religious and 2% are atheist. Source: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jew ... s-1.459477

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What do you think of Mary, Jesus?

'They have their lives, all is good'

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Unread post Re: How Jewish are the Jews of Israel?
Salam alleykum all ))
Scimitar wrote:
The video was shot entirely in Jerusalem, Israel.

Not that it matters much, but if im correct, the subtitles on the video shows names of different cities in Israel, (Tel Aviv, Raanana, Rishon Lezion etc) They are not Jerusalem.
Thing is, for me it would be more interesting to see the replies if all of them actually were asked only in Jerusalem.

Sorry to correct, just dont want confusions :)

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nice catch - which goes to show us that in the entire region, those who identify themselves as Jew - have largely an atheist disposition... makes it even more interesting.

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whether they practice their religion or not......and deserve to be there or not, is ultimately upto Allah. You're aware of the verses in the Quran on this specific matter aren't you?

see for me, I do believe the jewish people have a genuine claim to the land and a claim to be there, however so do the muslims/arabs. In an ideal scenario, just like how the Balfour declaration was intended, Palestine itself would have been the homeland for jews..basically jews would have immigrated there, settled and become part of the country living side by side with arabs. However the world was a racist place back then and the 2 sides could not live together.

Everything just sky rocketted and led to the arab uprising. I do believe there was an element of arab supremacism and racism involved, sure, the jews were not do different...but the fact is the muslims lost.
By law of conquest the jews have it. our large population is no longer the factor it used to be during the crusades. The only way there will be true justice is when muslims including myself return our hearts to Allah. But this is somethingt that must occur collectively. Otherwise Allah still loves us but you know, got to seperate the wheat from the chaff and with our large population it will take a long time.
Take a look at the entire muslim world and look at the difference between the wealthy and poor, the pious and the spiritually empty.
The fact is, currently Allah has allowed the oppressors in our ummah to have the upper hand...but we've got to trust in Allah because there's a process....
appearances aren't what they seem, those corrupt folk hoarding the people's wealth today and oppressing people from a lower social status than them...are going to lose it all, everything.

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5 Don't rely on money to make you independent. 2 Don't think you have to have everything you want, and then spend your energy trying to get it. 3 Don't think that no one can exercise authority over you; if you do, the Lord is certain to punish you. 4 Don't think that you can sin and get away with it; the Lord does not mind waiting to punish you. 5 Don't be so certain of the Lord's forgiveness that you go on committing one sin after another. 6 Don't think that his mercy is so great that he will forgive your sins no matter how many they are. He does show mercy, but he also shows his furious anger with sinners. 7 Come back to the Lord quickly. Don't think that you can keep putting it off. His anger can come upon you suddenly, and you will die under his punishment. 8 Don't rely on dishonest wealth; it will do you no good on that day of disaster.


history proves, eventually the tide changes. just wait....and this applies to everyone, jewish christian or muslim.

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well said Molvi, I echo it.

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+1

It's true when we collectively return to the path we are meant to be on, Allah set will open the doors for the ummah.


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