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when you think you are the only one who is right...



[i thought i'd post this in General section because of it's comprehensive lesson]


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Truth wrote:
when you think you are the only one who is right...



[i thought i'd post this in General section because of it's comprehensive lesson]


Masha'Allah so TRUE. This bro nailed it 100%.

I don't know how many "scholars" I've heard saying "don't listen to this scholar and don't listen to that scholar or shaykh"... Usually it's those that yell fitnah, bid'ah, kuffr... the most. Thank you for posting. This should be pinned on top of the forum.

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ahh yes. great video :D

Remember everyone, Pride and arrogance were the sins of iblis which brought him down.

RE: topic title... NOT A CULT! Cults have a leader, we do not. WUP isn't even %100 muslims. I'm glad that not everyone agrees on everything, that would be soooo boring :P

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Great Video, masha'Allah.. We r a community :D....
This shakyh is awesome, watched many videos of his, and he is sooo ' Get real ' kinda shakyh... ah nevamind...

Good share.

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Here are some similar videos I've posted before on this forum.


Jamal Badawi, one of the most respected scholars of today, may Allah (swt) reward him!





Hamza Yusuf - another great scholar of today, may Allah (swt) reward him!





And finally once more, Nouman Ali Khan, may Allah (swt) reward him!



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MashaAllah beautiful share. :)

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great speech, however i disagree with some of his points.

Like "don't go there, don't go here".
i think that we shud be more careful from who we get knowledge
and from who we take lessons.

When one starts to study Faith and the world his living in, he immediatly start to realize stuff that other's do not, and this other's can even be your very own family.

when we are born we are taken care by our family, and the family is taken care by such and such groups of people. and those groups of people are taken care by such and such traditions and cultural way of life.
this traditions an cultural way of life comes from such and such tribes/nations.

what im trying to say is...
how many of you were awake and more wiser before The Arrivals, or maybe before you had a kick inside and suddenly started to brainstorm about the system you were living in?
let's not lie to ourselves... we weren't awake and wise at all when we were growin, and taken care by our family...

and once you were awake and learned all kinds of stuff about the world, the system, Faith, whatever..
what was the first thing you did?
you tried to convince your family about these things didn't you?
what were their reactions?
not pretty cool eh... they didn't really believed you did they?

in my case, when i tried to convince my family, i became a stranger immediately.
even when i told things about Faith to my family, they were looking with doubtful eyes.
so let alone trying to explain the system.

in order to stay awake and aware of events and so that is going on, what do you need to do?
continue with your studies about these things don't you?
you can't be in this way and in the way of dunya at the same time..
if you choose the be with the community, you'll loose your view of the world and you'll start to follow everything blindly again.
if you go too much deep in the cult mode, you'll simply deceive yourself.

you have to stay in between... you need to find the way where you see and learn every truth wich is a little bit cult mode
but then you need to take that knowledge and spread it to whoever possible
well atleast giving it a try, if they'll listen...

this brother is going for the community mode.. it sounds cool and nice yes..
but it just won't work you know.. a clash of different idea's and sect's is what you will get...
we already have loads of differences, wich even made us enemy's to each other as whole groups

1 god 1 rule 1 system of life is what count's for me.


maybe i didn't explained it clearly
but i hope you understand what i mean :)

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asalam aleikum wa rahmatulahi wa barakatuh REDEYES :)



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and once you were awake and learned all kinds of stuff about the world, the system, Faith, whatever..
what was the first thing you did?
you tried to convince your family about these things didn't you?
what were their reactions?
not pretty cool eh... they didn't really believed you did they?


That's very true. But inshaAllah if you don't 'preach' to them but instead try to prove it by example and small comments, inshaAllah they will eventually begin to accept it. The key is to keep it simple. ;)


Redeyes wrote:
if you choose the be with the community, you'll loose your view of the world and you'll start to follow everything blindly again.
if you go too much deep in the cult mode, you'll simply deceive yourself.

you have to stay in between...


Exactly! That's why the prophet alayhi salam told us to be MODERATE in all things :)

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maybe i didn't explained it clearly
but i hope you understand what i mean :)


I understood you %100

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Soo the school is a cult... yeah i knew it ... those darn two headed freaks changing every student to think this way and that way.... uniform ... gotta hate those! :P

Mash'Allah a great advice given by brother nouman. I agree with the points of the masjids being cults. It works like this. If the families are broken, the whole community is broken. It's not hard to realize that what we live in is a giant tinder box. All it takes is a one match to burn the whole building down. A one match.


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Damn looks like the majority belongs to the cult. It is 100% true. trust me people think they have the right Islam, thats why we get to see arguments and fights in most of the wup topics. This video is like a major slap to those who think they have it right always :lol:

As a learner I try to seek for advices and I've met many people in my family and freinds including my own brother telling me to learn Islam just like they have learnt it, literally to follow their syllabus/footsteps/routine. just like in the video dont go here dont go there, just listen to me I know the right Islam :lol:

I believe only Allah can guide me for the knowledge of true Islam InshAllah. I take everyone's opinion and analyze cause I'm trying to learn with an unbiased mind using every possible source I can get.

MashAllah I respect Nouman Ali Khan for his wisdom. thanks for the video.

JazakAllah Khair

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We;re an online community of free thinkers, radicals and stupid americans.

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Don't forget the chavs ;D

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They are the Radicals

aint that right bro Insha, you're a radical aren't you?

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Nah he isn't bro, unless he wants to bomb his nearby market....

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it's uncanny how both your avatars match... the symbology implies a cult. The plot thickens...


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the gaping wide rabbit hole

isn't that what you wuppers always talk about?

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we just can't resist it. So true. lol.


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There are illegal immigrants on WUP too...I guess molvi himself may be one.

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bro molvi no offense but ur avatar is hilarious. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Salsabeel wrote:
bro molvi no offense but ur avatar is hilarious. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I'm soo offended

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