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Ok I chanced upon some very fascinating insights about Inner Earth when I tried to figure out what is a Pentateuch?

remember this in Al-Tabari narration?;

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The Jews came with Abu Jehal and Walid-ben-Mogaira to see that, what the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said was tally with the Pentateuch and the traditions.


As it turns out it's just another name for the Torah. the five books (volumes) of Prophet Musa alaihi salam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentateuch

I was wondering why would the Jew in Madinah would want to check notes with Rasulullah sollallahu alaihi wa alihi wasallam.

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Meanwhile at the time of Prophet Hud, three men among the 'Aadites who became Muslim and who believed in the Prophet Hud, fled their people, and reached these cities.


What is it that they knew? Or to put it more plainly, were there others (believers) of whom Allah saved by placing them inside Inner Earth, just when their tribe, cities are destroyed???

Emphatically, YES! There's a repeating pattern of pious believers who survived Allah's punishment by being put away inside Inner Earth....check it out;


Rabbinic references to the Lost Tribe and the “Sons of Moses” make explicit reference to the return of these people at the end of time. The Midrash Pesiqta Rabbati describes how God will cause the Lost Tribes to tunnel underground and emerge from under the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem at the end of time.

There's a fascinating story behind this, the setting is at the foot of Mount Sinai when Al-Samiri (a Dajjal? checkout the Delving Deeper into Dajjal thread) deceived the tribes into worshiping the Golden Calf. Remember there were those who were steadfast and were not deceived by it? The elects who stood by Prophet Harun (Aaron) alaihi salam who tried in vain to remind their brethren about idol worshiping. These are the "Son of Moses" who were 'whisked' away to the Inner Earth.....just prior to the remainder of the Tribes who were wandering in the deserts until Prophets Musa and Harun alaihuma salam met their deaths in the desolate waste lands.

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Sons of Rechab who were miraculously transported from Jerusalem to the edges of the earth in the time of Prophet Jeremiah alaihi salam. Zosimus (like the Prophet Muhammad sollallahu alaihi wa alihi wasallam in the account of the Night Journey) is escorted by an Angel and an unusual animal to this remnant who escaped Jerusalem before it was destroyed on account of the sins of the Israelites (Fall of the First Kingdom to the hands of the Babylonians).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah

The sons of Rechab are clothed in the same garments worn by Adam and Eve in Eden before the Fall, they eat Manna, are never sick, and rejoice at the death of their members.


[feels like opening a Pandora's box of questions; that unusual animal must be the Buraq! So is the Buraq, a type of creature that dwells inside Inner Earth?]

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This is big? Why?
Could these people be real 'Lost Tribes' of Israel? In Quranic lingo, that's a very MAJOR issue since it has direct implications with establishing the whereabouts of Gog and Magog (Ya'juj & Ma'juj).

Ibn Tabari exegesis and Hadith narrations are very explicit that the Blessed Prophet sollallahu alaihi wa alihi wasallam approached the Gog & Magog inside the Qaf mountains during the Night Journey! remember that?

more to come Insha Allah....


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hmm.....interesting...
there is verse of koran that mentioned that the sun move surrounding the earth, of course we find it awkward when comparing to our current knowledge which is the earth move surrounding the sun...

I dunno if such verse has any related to this hollow earth issue


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asralfarhi wrote:
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Could zam zam water comes from underneath world.........


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down the earth.....? this hollow earth thing, reminds me of black hole somehow, the difference is, there is no planet


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Could it be tht the americans know abt it becaus remember Pirates of the carbian at world end

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@Saleem, yeah they know alright....figure this out, why is it that both poles are strictly "NO FLY ZONES" even for satellites?

A most fascinating read, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED:

Moses in the Quran and Islamic exegesis By Brannon M. Wheeler
http://books.google.com.my/books?id=By7 ... &q&f=false

Tons of exegesis from Al-Tabari and ibn Kathir....plus older scriptures from Christianic and Jewish manuscripts....

Very neutral stance & thoroughly unbiased....in fact the writer makes a conclusion in contrasting the parables of Prophets Musa alaihi salam and Prophet Muhammad sollallahu alaihi wa alihi wasallam, in how the Jewish people lost their 'Chosen People' title due to their sins.....

across time, most of the elects (those that did not partake in the sins) among them are whisked away to the Qaf mountains to dwell in it until the appointed time. Are these the real Bani Israil who are destined to return to the Holy Lands? A most profound and intriguing thought; when these two verses come into play:

وَحَرَامٌ عَلَى قَرْيَةٍ أَهْلَكْنَاهَا أَنَّهُمْ لاَ يَرْجِعُونَ
[21:96] And it is an inviolable law [a ban for the return] for a town which We have destroyed that they shall not return

حَتَّى إِذَا فُتِحَتْ يَأْجُوجُ وَمَأْجُوجُ وَهُمْ مِنْ كُلِّ حَدَبٍ يَنسِلُونَ
[21:97] it shall be so only when Gog and Magog are let loose and they shall hasten forth from every height.

[note: the term 'hasten forth from every height' is MOST intriguing, once we understand that Qaf mountain and all its tributaries are like doorways to the Inner Earth! :shock: ]

It's time we delve deeper in Surah Al-Kahfi.....of how the Gog & Magog are locked up in the first place....makes perfect sense right? Surah Al-Anbiya' talks when and from where Gog & Magog are released.


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The Ramayana one of the most famous texts of India, tells the story of the great avatar, Rama. It describes Rama as "an emissary from Agartha" who arrived on a Vimana.

In India there is an ancient belief, still held by some, in a subterranean race of serpent people who dwell in the cities Patala and Bhogavati. According to the legend, they wage war on the kingdom of Agharta. "The Nagas," according to "The Deep Dwellers," "are described as a very advanced race or species, with a highly-developed technology. They also harbor a disdain for human beings, whom they are said to abduct, torture, interbreed with and even to eat."

The Entrances. While the entrance to Bhogavati is somewhere in the Himalayas, believers assert that Patala can be entered through the Well of Sheshna in Benares, India. Says William Michael Mott in "The Deep Dwellers": "According to herpetologist and author Sherman A. Minton, as stated in his book Venomous Reptiles, this entrance is very real, with forty steps which descend into a circular depression, to terminate at a closed stone door which is covered in bas-relief cobras.

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It's time we delve deeper in Surah Al-Kahfi.....of how the Gog & Magog are locked up in the first place....makes perfect sense right? Surah Al-Anbiya' talks when and from where Gog & Magog are released.



Before we move into Surah Al-Kahfi (still pretty much work in progress).....I would like to show some amazing exegesis by traditional Mufassirun researched by Brannon M. Wheeler; upon reading this, I asked myself, how come we don't learn this anywhere in school? Take a look:

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The same implications are evident in the several accounts of a special Night Journey taken by the Prophet Muhammad to visit the followers of Moses living in the city of Jabars/Jabals. In these accounts, the inhabitants of Jabars/Jabals lead an Edenic existence analogous to that of the Israelites in the Wilderness of Wandering, and explicitly acknowledge the prophethood and religion of Islam. According to Al-Qawzini, the Prophet Muhammad asked Gabriel to take him to visit the followers of Moses mentioned in Quran 7:159.

Gabriel said: “Between you and between them is a journey of six years going and six years returning. Between you and them is a river of sand which flows like arrows, and it stops only on the Sabbath. But, ask your Lord.”

So the Prophet called upon God and Gabriel protected him. God revealed to Gabriel to give him what he asked. So he rode on Buraq and went step by step. When he was before the people, he greeted them and they asked; “Who are you?” He replied: “I am the Ummi Prophet.” They said: “Yes, you are the one about whom Moses spoke, that your community, had they not sinned, would have reached the angels.”

The prophet said: I saw their graves at the doors of their houses and I asked them: “Why is this?” They said: “So that we will be reminded of death in the morning and evening. If we did not do this, then we would only be reminded from time to time.”

The Prophet said: “Why are all your buildings equal?” They said: “So that we would not honor some over others, so that some of us would not block the air of others.”

The Prophet said: “Why do I not see among you any authority or judges?” They said: “Should we divide some of us over others of us? We give the truth ourselves, so there is no need for one of us to enforce justice among us.”

The Prophet said: “Why are your shops empty?” They said: “We grow everything and harvest everything. Each man takes what is sufficient and gives what remains of to his brothers.”

The Prophet said: “Why did I see some of your community laughing?” They said: “Because one of them has died.” He said: “So why are they laughing?” They said: “Out of joy because he was taken by God’s unity.” The Prophet said: “What are those people crying about?” They said: “A child was born to them and they do not know which religion it will take.”

He said: “When a male child is born to you, what do you do?” They said: “We fast for God for a month out of thanks.” He said: “And if a female child is born to you?” They said: “We fast for God for two months out of thanks because Moses told us that the perseverance of a female is a greater reward than the perseverance of a male.”

The Prophet said: “Do any of you commit fornication?” They said: “Would one do that except the sky would rain down upon him from above, and the ground sink from under him.” The Prophet said: “Do you practice usury?” They said: “The one who practices usury is the one who does not trust in the sustenance of God.” The Prophet said: “Do you get sick?” They said: “We do not sin and do not get sick. If your community gets sick, then it is expiation (compensation) for their sins.”

The Prophet said: “Do you have predatory animals?” They said: “Yes, they pass us by and we pass by them but they do not harm us.”


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I would like to give this the benefit of the doubt, but when this account mentions about the Prophet (sollallahu alaihi wa alihi wasallam) asking about the Usury and the beautiful answer that he got (right on the money - every pun intended; that encapsulates everything why Riba' MUST be waged war upon), my heart's telling me, this is the real deal.

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@asralfarhi

hmm... I'm confused.

First I saw somewhere that the Afghan tribes were the Lost Tribes of Isra'il. Then, I read a pdf that said the Malays of the Archipelago are infact the Lost Tribes. I read that the tribes were "lost" after slavery in Babylon as many tribes did not return to the levant. One tribe that definately returned, while the others went missing, was the tribe of Judah, that's how we get the word "Jews."

Then I read in this thread that the "Lost Tribes" became lost after the Samiri incident near the Sinai, because God took all the righteous Israilites away somewhere, or into the Hollow Earth. But if I remember correctly, God ordered the execution of the Israilites who commited shirk.

If God's followers were already whisked away someplace else, who executed the traitors? And even more confusing for me is, If God took away the righteous and killed the traitors, then who was left to enter the Promised Land? And if not all of the traitors were executed, and they did enter the Promised Land whilst the righteous were taken away and made "lost," then does that mean that the Prophets Solomon and David sprung from these traitors?

Confused.

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If God's followers were already whisked away someplace else, who executed the traitors? And even more confusing for me is, If God took away the righteous and killed the traitors, then who was left to enter the Promised Land? And if not all of the traitors were executed, and they did enter the Promised Land whilst the righteous were taken away and made "lost," then does that mean that the Prophets Solomon and David sprung from these traitors?

Confused.


Rest assured the lineage of Prophets only comes from the best of humanity...

Is it not true that the wandering bands of Bani Israel included Prophets Musa and Harun (Aaron) alaihim salam whom also perished in the desolate lands? Allah willed it to be so only as a test for the Bani Israil to redeem themselves....and redeemed they did, but it sure took them a long time.....they reformed and of course the Prophet's lineage stayed with them, Jalut and Thalut came by, then of course came Prophet Daud (David) alaihi salam who finally established the Kingdom in the Holy Lands....

History tends to repeat itself...again and again the same pattern comes full circle....which only goes to show Allah's forbearance & mercy on his creations.....those that still remember the true teachings are rewarded handsomely....it would seem, the very few that made it 'down there' get to experience the garden of Eden even before they meet their deaths.....

As for 'the surface dwelling others', those that remember the command of the Prophet sollallahu alaihi wa alihi wasallam...

example: when the herald from the sky is called out to instruct all believers of the deen to go and support the Mahdi....those that remain heedless shall pay dearly.

....all of them will converge towards the Mahdi...just so happens the great majority of them comes from the East as prophesied by the Prophet....that herald goes out to all believers including djinn tribes and Inner Earth dwellers....there will be many 'new people' supporting the Mahdi. Dimensions converge at this time....just as the time of Prophet Sulaiman alaihi salam....


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It's time we delve deeper in Surah Al-Kahfi.....of how the Gog & Magog are locked up in the first place....makes perfect sense right? Surah Al-Anbiya' talks when and from where Gog & Magog are released.


asalam alaykum brother

some people say Gog & Magog are humans, i.e. a nation for example russia, china... please can somebody explain more about Gog & Magog and their link with inner earth

wa'aslam


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some people say Gog & Magog are humans, i.e. a nation for example russia, china... please can somebody explain more about Gog & Magog and their link with inner earth



Waalaikumussalam.....now that we have found narrations (Ibn Arabi & Tabari, look at previous posts) of the Prophet's Night Journey whom met the tribes of Gog & Magog behind the Qaf mountains....perhaps it would be a good idea to find the real Zulqarnain....

I am more inclined to find the Zulqarnain whom have met the one and the same Prophet Khidir alaihi salam (mentor of Prophet Musa alaihi salam) and who lived at the time of Prophet Ibrahim alaihi salam. You can discount Alexander and Cyrus the Great out of that list of candidates....

Still looking for more info....anyone can offer assistance? Much obliged.


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so hes not alexandra or cyrus. then who is he who conqured so much and he isnt even know in history

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mashah wrote:
some people say Gog & Magog are humans, i.e. a nation for example russia, china... please can somebody explain more about Gog & Magog and their link with inner earth



Waalaikumussalam.....now that we have found narrations (Ibn Arabi & Tabari, look at previous posts) of the Prophet's Night Journey whom met the tribes of Gog & Magog behind the Qaf mountains....perhaps it would be a good idea to find the real Zulqarnain....

I am more inclined to find the Zulqarnain whom have met the one and the same Prophet Khidir alaihi salam (mentor of Prophet Musa alaihi salam) and who lived at the time of Prophet Ibrahim alaihi salam. You can discount Alexander and Cyrus the Great out of that list of candidates....

Still looking for more info....anyone can offer assistance? Much obliged.



Here's a longshot... Has anyone ever heard of monotheism or a monotheistic belief system originating from the Viking/Nordic races... (the 2-horned one) The Vikings wear helmets with horns....

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The Vikings wear helmets with horns....


Uhh... no. It's a popular misconception, but vikings didn't have horned helmets.

But... If Gog and Magog were trapped behind the Qaf Mountains and that these mountains are the gateways to the Hollow Earth, which can be found at the poles, then the Norse people who lived near the North pole are appropriately placed to build the barriers between the two mountains.

But since I've heard that Al-Khidr can time travel, he could meet anyone.

Maybe we should look away from Europe and the Middle East, and maybe search for North or South American leaders, Ancient Chinese Emperors, or others who could have the potential to conquer large areas of land.

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Black wrote:
The Vikings wear helmets with horns....


Uhh... no. It's a popular misconception, but vikings didn't have horned helmets.

But... If Gog and Magog were trapped behind the Qaf Mountains and that these mountains are the gateways to the Hollow Earth, which can be found at the poles, then the Norse people who lived near the North pole are appropriately placed to build the barriers between the two mountains.



thanks for at least entertaining the possibility... :lol: :lol: :lol:


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I am still waiting for an expose by bro mohammed about a certain king from ancient yemen at the time of prophet ibrahim a.s. We had that info once, you know before the attack on the forum. So bro mohammed? Remember the 'upside down' map - north is south? I reckon that journey north took zulqarnain to the antartica opening! So we got to wonder just what the nazis were up to heh. Its also worth noting that antartica is a land continent as compared to the arctic - icy seas 'bahrun ajaba' and 'majma-al bahrain'.


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Salaam all,

This is a very interesting topic and has definetly caught my eye! This hollow earth theory does seem to 'check out' historically and islamically which is why im so interested. There doesnt seem to be much information on it floating about on the internet. As a newcomer to this theory i was wondering if any of you have any links to share to broaden my knowledge?

So according to this theory, dinosaurs still exist? Mermaids could also be a possibility and also another advanced civilisation? Ive always wondered how people used to come up with this stuff, like create an image of something out of thin air. But then it occured to me that dreams only ever show you faces and puts you in situations which you have seen or been in before (hope that makes sense). Even if you think of something now, or try to create in your mind a species it will always be a rip off of something which you have seen in this world or in a movie. Even our sense of imagination is limited, its like a saying i once heard ''your imagination can only stretch as far as the eyes can see..''. So theres truth in every story.. Or i could be wrong lol.

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Salaam all,

This is a very interesting topic and has definetly caught my eye! This hollow earth theory does seem to 'check out' historically and islamically which is why im so interested. There doesnt seem to be much information on it floating about on the internet. As a newcomer to this theory i was wondering if any of you have any links to share to broaden my knowledge?



Peace..



Salaam... These are not Islamic references... but the info in them may be useful:

http://www.nemesi.net/patent.htm

http://www.illuminati-news.com/2007/0302b.htm

http://www.illuminati-news.com/hollow-earth.htm


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Also found some info on this website, if you are interested?
http://www.viewzone.com/hollowearth.html 8-)


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Also found some info on this website, if you are interested?
http://www.viewzone.com/hollowearth.html 8-)


I love the stuff coming out of viewzone....anybody read the Dan Eden material?

This expose of the Hollow Earth shows how the writer is obviously pi$$ed with the mainstream 'shinetist' hopelessly clinging on obsolete and broken scientific models....

Anyhow, a MUST READ.

I like this video;



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