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Salam brothers and sisters

today I learnt of some new news that is good news :)

Ayatollah Sayed Ali Khamenei, One of the Shia's grand muftis, has issued a fatwa forbidding abusive language towards the prophet's wives and close companions.

Mind you, abusive language does not include respectful criticism of certain characters, but according to him and those who follow him, Abusive or highly disrespectful language is to be considered as haram.


on the other side, The grand mufti of Al-Azhar has issued a fatwa stating that Sunnis should find no difference in praying behind a shia that they would behind a sunni imam. Both follow the same quran and both prayers are relatively similar enough to be considered of equal worth. He is also planning on a trip to Iraq soon to visit Al-Najaf, one of the main centers of Shia Scholarship to meet with Sayed Ali Al-Sistani, another of the most respected of Shia Muftis.


Thoughts? Is this a positive step or too good to be true? Have I misunderstood the fatwas in any way?

let us know :D

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w'salam w r w b

..haven;t seen the fatwa but coming from you,i'm sure its true Inshallah :) ..its a brilliant step towards clearing misunderstandings .. i especially hope its splattered all across the Pakistani media [we need it !]

..another step may also be to instruct people who visit the Prophet [m.p.b.u.h]'s grave mubarak to not ignore but also pay their respects to Abu Bakr [r.a] & Umar [r.a]. I am sure shias do that and am NOT saying they all don't do this but am only saying this will further bridge us together.

thanks for the info

[please please do not start an argument with my comments above.. if there is even a hint of that happening .. pls remove my post !]

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w'salam w r w b

..haven;t seen the fatwa but coming from you,i'm sure its true Inshallah :) ..its a brilliant step towards clearing misunderstandings ..


yes, he did. check sayyid nasrallahs speech on this:

http://wup-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=35 ... 8&start=10

and here is the fatwa:

http://abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&id=207222


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MashaAllah! That is great news! You just made my day (week.. month.. year.. life) with this post. awesome! :D

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thanks, i enjoyed reading it .. i hope this good news is spread across the Muslim world & i will do my part Inshallah..

[we definitely need to get get over all our misunderstandings; for me as a Pakistani, i cannot imagine the immense strength our Ummah can gain even if just Iran & Pakistan unite]

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as_salàm 'alaykùm,

it's for me a great step towards the Unity ...

may ALLAH swT unite us ... and help us against those who oppress our Brothers and Sisters.

after having been divided for centuries, our identities misguided with foolish concepts like nationalism, patriotism, sectarism ... a symbolical move whatever it is, towards the Unity of all Mùslimeen, can only be welcomed by us ... but assuredly this one is a great one !

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:D beautiful.....sounds like a big move.

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It'll be Brilliant if the common people begin to move in this direction too. not just 'sunnis and shias' but even the sub-sects from amongst the sunnis like the deobandis, brelwis, ahle-hadith etc.

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This fatwa is not new. The Shia already knew that disrespecting the wives and sahaba is forbidden. You are not allowed to disprespect people in Islam. We already know that. So then, what is the reason for this fatwa??

You see... the Shia respect of the Wives and Sahaba of Rasulollah (pbuhaf). But recently, an ignorant so called Shia scholar has insulted one of the prophet's wives on TV - and even though the Shia scholars have been outraged by this and spoke up against it, some have taken this person's disrespect and generalised it to all the Shia.

So the fatwa was not issued because it used to be okay to disrespect, and now there's a "new" fatwa saying it's haram. No.

The reason for the fatwa is to make it crystal clear:

The Shia do not - and do not allow - disrespect of the sahabah and wives of Rasulollah (pbuhaf).

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As for the Sunni fatwa allowing the Sunna to pray behind the Shia... I was glad to hear that.

We the Shia have long been praying behind our Sunni brothers, especially in Hajj.

So this new fatwa allowing our sunni brothers to pray behind us is a beautiful step towards unity.

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What Sayyid Hammid said is true, this fatwa is not new news for the Shia world, but what it does achieve is put it in stone so that no one can generalize again about Shia being disrespectful. Before it was easy to say that but now the world knows that it is not even allowed within the faith, let alone encouraged as some division agents used to point out :)

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very good points. I'm not going to lie I've never really studied the differences between shias and sunnis in depth to understand why they've been at each others throat recently. i am aware that in the UK there were quite a number of 'debates' on channels like DM digital (these guys are in it purely for the profit, not the religion) that went off track and turned into a basic shia vs sunni flame war, resulting in seperate sunni and shia channels. It wouldn't suprise me if Sky themselves jump in with Sky Sunni Channel and Sky Shia channel just to capitalise on all that ajmeri baba advertising income (bad joke?) some of these channels make.

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Allah Subhana Wa'a Ta'ala is the best of all planners.

This is brilliant news Mash'Allah. :D

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I've been observing http://www.sufilive.com for these short Subhah, and my word, these past few days, the language of Shaykh Nazim is very drastically different these days....and there is one recent subhah that calls for the same Common Ground only this one calls out to all brothers and sisters of humanity.

Yeah it's really high time to shed these labels.....the move towards singularity intensifies by the day.

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Koonoo Rabbaniyeen, "Be Those Who Establish Lordly Worship"
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(Mawlana Shaykh stands) Dastoor yaa Sayyidi, madad. Laa ilaaha illa-Llah, laa ilaaha illa-Llah, laa ilaaha illa-Llah Muhammad Rasoolullah `alayhi salaatullah. wa salaamuh, mina 'l-azal ila 'l-abad. Madad yaa rijaalAllah (Mawlana Shaykh sits) Thumma as-salaatu wa 's-salaam, `alaa jamee` il-anbiyaa wa 'l-mursaleen, salawaatullah wa salaamu `alayhim ajmaa`een. Yaa Rabbee. Thumma as-salaamu `alayk, yaa Saahibu 'z-Zamaan, wa 's-salaamu `alaykum yaa rijaalAllah mutasarifoon fee hadha 'l-`alami 'd-dunya, jazakumullahu anaa, khayra 'l-jazaa....Allah Allah, `Azeez Allah, Kareem Allah! And we are saying, a`oodhu billahi min ash-Shaytani 'r-rajeem. Bismillahi 'r-Rahmani 'r-Raheem. Allahuma qawwi da`fana fee ridaak. (Mawlana Shaykh sits)

Anta al-Rabb wa nahnu 'l-`abeed, anta 'l-Rabb wa anaa 'l-`abd, anta 'l-ma`bood wa anaa 'l-`abid.
You are the Lord and I am the servant, You are worth worshipping and I am the worshipper!
Allah Allah, Allah Allah, Allah Allah, `Azeez Allah!
Huuuuu, Huuuuuuu, Huuuuuuu, Huuuuuuu, Huuuuuuuu, Huuuuuuu,
Hayyyyyyy, Hayyyyyyy, Hayyyyyyy, Hayyyyyyy, Hayyyyyyy, Huuuuuu

O our Attenders! As salaamu `alaykum! Koonoo. Try to be always thankful to the Lord of Heavens! (Mawlana Shaykh stands) Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar! laa ilaaha illa-Llah (Mawlana Shaykh sits)

O People! From east to west, from north to south, try to be thankful servants for your Creator, that He created us and granted us endless favors here and Hereafter. And Almighty Allah is asking to be honored. He Almighty honors dominions of honors with no limits and He likes that His servants honor their Creator. They are not going to give anything, but He likes His servant to say, shukr Yaa Rabbee, "Thanks O my Lord!" That is an honor from weak servants to the Lord of Heavens, but He likes it. If an ant says, subhaanAllah yaa Rabbee, "Glory for You, my Lord," He is happy and He likes it. That point we must learn, know, and teach, that every good word, good action, and good effort makes our Lord happy with us.

O People! Whole religions are based on this principle from the beginning of Mankind, from Adam, peace be upon him, who called Rabbuna, Rabbuna! Allah Almighty likes His servants to call on Him, Yaa Rabbana, "O our Lord, O our Creator!" Therefore, He likes to change every thing on Earth, that means Mankind in particular, for every other thing.

وَإِن مِّن شَيْءٍ إِلاَّ يُسَبِّحُ بِحَمْدَهِ
wa in min shay'in illa yusabihu bihamdih.
And there is not a thing but celebrates His praise! (17:44)

Wa in min shay'in illa yusabihu bihamdih. Allah Almighty likes this; it is His Glorious Attribute. He likes to be glorified and He is going to be happy with glorification. He is not asking anything else from His Creation. And tasbeeh is glorifying, yes? He created everything for glorifying, He Almighty, subhaanahu wa ta`ala! So simple! From the beginning, the first messenger Sayyidina Adam (a) was crying and saying, "Yaa Rabbana, yaa Rabbana, yaa Rabbana! Subhaanak yaa Rabbana, yaa Rabbana! O my Lord, O my Lord! Glory to You, my Lord" He taught his children to say, "Yaa Rabbana, yaa Rabbana! O our Glorified Lord." That were the first words with which Adam, peace be upon him, called his Lord. And after him, Seth (a); after Seth, Idrees (a); after Idrees (a) so many other prophets came in between, until reaching to Nuh (a), who also called out, "Yaa Rabbana!" Nabi Hud (a), nabi azami 'l-oolaa Lut (a),Yunus (a), Ibrahim (a), Isma'eel (a) and Ishaq (a), all of them were calling out, "Yaa Rabbana!" Moses (a) was calling out, "Yaa Rabbana!" Jesus (a) was saying, "Yaa Rabbana!" Sayyidina Muhammad (s) was calling and saying, (Mawlana Shaykh stands) "Yaa Rabbana, yaa Rabbee, yaa Allah!" (Mawlana Shaykh sits).

And what was Allah Almighty, rabbu 'l-`izzah, the Lord of Honor, saying to His servants? The Lord of Heavens is not saying, "My servants." Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar!

O `ulamas, all `ulamas! Learned people, holy ones from Judaism and Christianity, and all prophets, and the Seal of Prophets, Sayyidi 'l-Awwaleen wa ’l-`Akhireen, Sayyidina Muhammad (s), (Mawlana Shaykh stands and sits) did not call and say to his ummah, "O my Lord's servants!"

O Salafi `ulamas and Azhar `ulamas! Hear and listen, holy people from Judaism and Christianity! No prophet said to Mankind, "O servants of my Lord!" Servanthood is something, perhaps it is the first-line of peoples' position. But He, the Lord of Heavens, is asking from His servants, from the Children of Adam, to arise in servanthood on this planet and to come up to His Divinely Presence. SubhaanAllah, SubhaanAllah. That is what Allah Almighty likes for His deputies. He was not saying, "I am going to create servants." Asta`eedhu billah:

وَإِذْ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلاَئِكَةِ إِنِّي جَاعِلٌ فِي الأَرْضِ خَلِيفَةً
Wa idha qaala rabbuka lil-malaa`ikati innee ja`eelun fi'l-`ardi khalifah.
And when your Lord said to the angels, "Verily I am making in the Earth a deputy.” (al-Baqarah, 2:30)

Allah Almighty was not saying, innee ja`eelun fi'l-`ardi `ibaadee, "I am going to create servants." You must understand the title khalifah gives honor. He is saying: (Mawlana Shaykh stands)

وَلَقَدْ كَرَّمْنَا بَنِي آدَمَ
Wa laqad karamna bani adam.
Verily, We have honored the Children of Adam. (an-Najm, 17:70)


He is granting them such an honor! Servanthood is not the same as takreem, honor. (Mawlana Shaykh sits). Allah, Allah. Subhaan Allah. Heavenly Knowledge Oceans! And we are saying to Jewish learned people, "rabbis", and to Christians' "holy ones, saints", and to Muslim "`ulamas." None of these titles make the Lord of Heavens, our Creator, happy. Tonight is a special declaration, different from others, in making the hearts of all nations to be in satisfaction. They are saying, sending some waves of inspiration, although I am nothing; but they are sending (these inspirations) to speak to the whole Islamic world. And I am now leaving speaking of Christianity or Judaism. They are saying to make clarity for the Islamic world, for Muslims. SubhaanAllahi 'l-`Aliyyu 'l-`Adheem! The Seal of Prophets (s) said: (Mawlana Shaykh stands)


ستفترق أمتي على ثلاث وسبعين فرقة
Sataftariqu ummatee `alaa thalaatha wa saba`een firqah.
My nation will divide into 73 sects.

Tonight we must change those 73 firqah, sects, and make it one, because every sect was saying something about themselves, "We are this, we are that." And we are now leaving the book-given people (People of the Book); leave them aside for this matter. They are making me to speak on a famous point tonight, for the first time throughout the Islamic period. (Mawlana Shaykh stands) Subhaan Allah! Subhaan Allah! Subhaan Allah! Sultan Allah! Sultan Allah! (Mawlana Shaykh sits).Whoever may understand, may understand. If he is not granted an understanding, then his level is the same as the level of animals. But what they are asking me to speak about is suitable for the whole Muslim world! No one can say, "No, you are wrong." No! Throughout the Islamic world, from its beginning up to tonight, a wrong understanding had taken place among the servants of the Lord, Allah Almighty. Some of them were saying, "We are this," and some others were saying, "We are that." All of them tonight are going to be closed down. Yes!

Now, in the Hijri year 1431, and tonight is the 13th or 14th of Dhul-Qa`dah, the whole Islamic world, all `ulamas and all the people may look and may understand something! They are making me to speak about tasawwuf; they are now putting a line to stop tasawwuf. The Lord of Heavens never ordered His most beloved deputy, Sayyidina Muhammad (s), (Mawlana Shaykh stands and sits) "Say to your nation that you are Sufi people." You are never going to speak on tasawwuf (any more) and no more mutasawwif, followers of Sufism, from now up to the end of the world! Mutasawwif will never exist after this moment, because the Holy Prophet, peace be upon him, never spoke on it, nor did the Holy Qur'an.

We must come to a reality on which no one can make any discussions. Allah Almighty is not saying, "Koonoo mutasawwifeen, koonoo Naqshbandiyeen, koonoo Qaadireen, koonoo Mawlawiyeen, koonoo Shadhiliyeen, koonoo forty tareeqahs." It is stopping tonight!

Therefore, the name "Salafi" was also never mentioned in Prophet's (s) speech or in the Holy Qur'an; neither was "tasawwuf," nor "Salafi", no! Allah Almighty is not ordering, "O My servants! You must be Sufis!" The Lord of Heavens never said, "O My servants! You must follow Salafis and you must be Salaafiyoon." Allah Almighty never ordered His servants, "You must be Wahhabiyoon." Clear? He never told the Children of Israel to say, "We are chosen ones," and (for Shi`a people) to say, "We are following the twelve sects." No. You may be twelve sects, which means twelve tribes, but there is no honor for their names! There is no honor also to be "Wahhabi", to be "Salafi", to be "Sufi"!

The whole Islamic world must accept tonight, that there is no more tasawwuf, because the Holy Qur'an is showing us what we must say, what we must iqrar, admit, to ourselves. This and that does not exist, NO! We must follow Holy Books; and the last Holy Book, what was it saying? What was the Lord of Heavens ordering the Christians and the Jewish people? He is not saying that servants may claim, "I am this one" or "I am that one," no. All of them are under my feet now! But the Lord of Heavens is saying, (Mawlana Shaykh stands) "O My servants! Koonoo Rabbaniyeen! Be those who establish Lordly worship.'" Be a Rabbani. No more tasawwuf. Never! From now on until the end of the world, you must say, "I am Rabbani! I am not stopping (in this way); I am Rabbani!" That is the highest honor for us.

This is for Christians, for Jewish people, and for the whole Islamic world, to take away nifaaq, hypocrisy, and shiqaaq, division. (Mawlana Shaykh sits) That order is coming tonight. Don't say, "(We are) Naqshbandi-Haqqani". It belongs to Rabbani!" Wa koonoo Rabbaniyeen! That is ayatu 'l-kareemah!


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koonoo rabbaniyyeena bimaa kuntum tu`allimoona al-kitaba wa bimaa kuntum tadrusoona.
No human to whom Allah has given the (Holy) Book, Judgment and prophethood would say to the people, "Be worshipers of me, other than Allah," but rather (they would say),"Be of the Lord, for that you teach the Book, and in that you have studied." (3:79)

O `ulamas! If anyone asks you what is your way, say, "I am trying to be Rabbaani," or "I am Rabbaani." Finished! Laa ilaaha illa-Llah.That is bombardment on the fortress of Shaytan. Finished! Don't say, "I am Christian," or, "I am Jewish," or, "I am Muslim." Rabbaani! Finished. No more "(I am) Naqshbandi," no more "tasawwuf" to be happy. "Salafis" also, take them away! These are Shaytan's titles that you are making up. Who is that order of the Lord of Heavens for? "You must be for all nations, you must be Rabbaani, belonging to Me only!" Finished!

(There must be) no more fighting between Salafis or mutasawwuf (followers of tasawwuf). First of all, I am saying that I'm not mutasawwuf but I am trying to be Rabbaani. Then what is the Lord of Heavens saying in Hadeeth Qudsee, the highest, powerful speech of Prophet (s)? (Mawlana Shaykh stands) The Lord of Heavens, Allah Almighty, is telling you how you should be Rabbani. He is saying, ya `abdee at`ianee, "O my servant! Follow My orders," aja`luka rabbaani, "I am making you Rabbaani." (Mawlana Shaykh sits) "If you are keeping My orders, I am making you Rabbaani. Don't wait for people to say that you are Rabbaani; I am saying you are Rabbaani!"

If you are asking for evidence, the Lord of Heavens is saying: (Mawlana Shaykh stands)
يا عبدي اطعني اجعلك ربانيا تقول لشي كن فيكون
Yaa `abdee ati`anee aj`aluka rabbaaniyyan taqoolu li shay'in kun fayakoon.
I will make you Rabbani, you say to a thing "Be!" and it will be.

Allah Almighty is saying, "That is My order and My Divine Sign on My servant, that he is Rabbani!" Try to reach that point and your level will be the highest level.

May Allah forgive us. Subhaan Allah, Sultan Allah. This is the limit to make the ummah on one level, finished! No more Shi`a, no more other sects, no more Christian sects, no more Jewish sects. May Allah forgive us, for the honor of the Seal of Prophets (s).

Fatihah.

This has never been heard before; you can't hear it a second time, finished. The Day of Resurrection is just at the door.

(Mawlana Shaykh speaks with Hajjah Naziha on the phone.)


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Salam bro

how would you translate Rabbani?

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Djibriil wrote:
Salam bro

how would you translate Rabbani?

peace


Look at the title of the Subhah....
Koonoo Rabbaniyeen, "Be Those Who Establish Lordly Worship"

but the very core essence is still about recognizing servanthood...the highest title from the heavens.


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