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I'm wondering whether moderate use of Magic Mushrooms is haram and reasons to consider it so.

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Go and ask a scholar


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Aybar wrote:
Go and ask a scholar


This seems to me like a good topic starter. And asking a scholar whether magic mushrooms is haram is like asking a holocaust victim whether Hitler was an okay guy, the answer can be easily predicted (intoxicant! intoxicant!).

With regular people I can debate with, especially people who have experience with these or know about these...

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They grow out of the ground. If they weren't meant to be eaten, they would either kill you or not exist.


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They grow out of the ground. If they weren't meant to be eaten, they would either kill you or not exist.


Well, so is Amanita shrooms.

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A lot of people trip on Fly Agaric and call them magic mushrooms as well. Click HERE to search Erowid for more information.

However, don't confuse psilocybe mushrooms with Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric). There is no psilocybin nor psilocyn in Fly Agaric and we don't consider it a 'real' magic mushroom.

The (red with white dots) Amanita Muscaria can cause a very unpleasent experience and health problems. Potential symptoms of Muscarine, an active alkaloid of Fly Agaric and other Amanita's, followed after ingestion as described by The Merck Index are: nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, headache and bronchospasm. With larger doses: acrimation, incontinence, bracycardia, hypotension and shock. Ibotanic acid, also an active substance of the Amanita's may cause brain damage as described by various authors on Public Medline.


They grow out of the ground as well...

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Well if you don't want to ask the scholars, then let yourself go and do as you please, because mocking the scholars and then asking laypeople is hardly intelligent from an Islamic perspective


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Aybar wrote:
Well if you don't want to ask the scholars, then let yourself go and do as you please, because mocking the scholars and then asking laypeople is hardly intelligent from an Islamic perspective


I'm not mocking any scholars...I'm trying to start a thread on this forum. If you don't agree that it is ok to discuss things like this on this forum then don't discuss it.


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They alter your state of mind, right? So with that in mind, what do you think? If you are Muslim, the answer should be obvious.


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They alter your state of mind, right? So with that in mind, what do you think? If you are Muslim, the answer should be obvious.


Do they alter it in a negative way? Or a positive way?

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Rhythm of Earth wrote:
Well, so is Amanita shrooms.
They grow out of the ground as well...

PassiveObserver wrote:
If they weren't meant to be eaten, they would either kill you or not exist.

Amanita mushrooms are poison and have a lethal dose at an easily consumable amount.

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They alter your state of mind, right? So with that in mind, what do you think? If you are Muslim, the answer should be obvious.

Everything alters your mind in some way or another, including emotions and basic life functions.

Also, your brain secretes DMT, a psychedelic drug, when you sleep.


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Aybar wrote:
Well if you don't want to ask the scholars, then let yourself go and do as you please, because mocking the scholars and then asking laypeople is hardly intelligent from an Islamic perspective


stop hatin Aybar. i agree that he should ask a scholar if he wants to know whether they're haraam or not, but you get more flies with honey than you do vinegar. and if the Prophet (saws) never said so much as "ugh" to someone who irritated him, we should certainly consider this when speaking to others.

and yes, i do think that whether something is haraam or halal is over most of our heads, but i don't see that as a reason why we can't rationally discuss the harm and benefits of anything on this earth using the resources at our advantage. these include, the internet, encyclopedias, personal experience, personal opinion, and attacking people for their beliefs and opinions. please try only to use the first 4 mentioned, and avoid the last one.

i dunno if anyone remembers TADs season 1, but Brother Abdullah speculated that perhaps the "Manna" eaten by Musa while lost in the desert may have been a psylocibe with psychadelic properties.

this Islamicity article suggests that the Muslims, having pioneered many early navigational equipment, could easily have made it to the Americas before they were "discovered" by Chris Columbus in 1492. anyone who has seen the ceremonial gowns in many native American tribes knows that they bear a striking resemblance to traditional Islamic clothing (loose fitting body coverings, head scarves for women, thobe-like robes for the men) and that most tribes showed utmost respect and care when slaughtering their food, and that they spent a lot of their time thanking their creator for these gifts. the natives also showed great respect for many of the other gifts from the earth, a lot of them currently illegal in mst western societies including, but not limited to, amenita, peyote, cannabis, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe baeocystis, Psilocybe caerulipes, etc.

http://www.shroomery.org/8773/Magic-Mus ... ield-Guide

http://www.magic-mushrooms.net/species.html

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Unread post Re: Are Magic Mushrooms haram?
point is, regardless of who pointed it out, the "manna" that Musa (phuh) and the Jews ate on their way through the desert, appeared after the dew had evaporated, was sweet like honey, and only grew 6 days of the week.

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A number of ethnomycologists such as R. Gordon Wasson, John Marco Allegro, and Terence McKenna, have suggested that most characteristics of manna are similar to that of Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms, notorious breeding grounds for insects, which decompose rapidly. These peculiar fungi naturally produce a number of molecules that resemble human neurochemicals, and first appear as small fibres (mycelia) that resemble hoarfrost. This speculation (also paralleled in Philip K. *#&%'s posthumously published The Transmigration of Timothy Archer) is supported in a wider cultural context when compared with the praise of Haoma in the Rigveda, Mexican praise of teonanácatl, the peyote sacrament of the Native American Church, and the Holy Ayahuasca used in the ritual of the União do Vegetal and Santo Daime.

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Topic locked and will be cleansed of off topic discussion insha `Allah.

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Topic locked and will be cleansed of off topic discussion insha `Allah.


I did the honours brother.

I should agree with brother Aybar in one point. We have had a lot of topics starting with the question "Is this or that haram?" and it has been going on since day one. Some of you may remember that one of the first ever topics here was "Is astral projection haram?" we have also had a lot of similar questions about music, mary juanna, smoking in general, arranged marriage and all sorts of different mtters.

If the original poster is here to ask for a fatwa from us, they are clearly in the wrong place. If they are here to see if we know of any issued fatwas, they should make it clear. If they are not talking about religious halal and haram and only want to know how we FEEL about something, they should make it clear as well.

But what if they don't? My best guess is that we should take it as the latter. Just assume that they are asking about our personal view and feeling about the subject.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. Now back on the topic, and I mean on THE topic.

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point is, regardless of who pointed it out, the "manna" that Musa (phuh) and the Jews ate on their way through the desert, appeared after the dew had evaporated, was sweet like honey, and only grew 6 days of the week.


This is purely speculation on my part.. Mushrooms grow in moist, warm environments (like oregon lol, the first frost is practically a holiday here)... However in the desert you might find Peyote cactus type plants. Again, just speculating.

As to whether halal or haram, keep this in mind. "magic" mushrooms are quite poisonous. The "high" you feel is the effect of your body trying to get the toxins out of your system. Also they are commonly grown out of cow's poop. Do you think cow poop is halal? :P

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Also they are commonly grown out of cow's poop. Do you think cow poop is halal? :P


Not true. They grow out of soil that used to be cow dung, but not directly from the poop. I've never seen them grow out of poop (the kind you eat anyway), I've only seen it grow out of very bushy mounds of grass that USED to be cow dung.

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As to whether halal or haram, keep this in mind. "magic" mushrooms are quite poisonous. The "high" you feel is the effect of your body trying to get the toxins out of your system. Also they are commonly grown out of cow's poop. Do you think cow poop is halal? :P



not all "magic" mushrooms grow from cow poop, of the ones listed in the link i provided earlier, only Psilocybe semilanceata and Psilocybe cubensis. however, if mushrooms that grow in poop are haraam, we should probably stop buying store bought mushrooms, which typically grow on compost heaps, rich in rotting food and fecal matter.

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Rasulollah (pbuhaf) said: "You stop him from his oppression, for in that is help for him."

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Archimetaus wrote:
If the original poster is here to ask for a fatwa from us, they are clearly in the wrong place. If they are here to see if we know of any issued fatwas, they should make it clear. If they are not talking about religious halal and haram and only want to know how we FEEL about something, they should make it clear as well.


I know, of course that this is not a Fatwa, but I would like to have a discussion and see some reasons why Magic Mushrooms are considered haram. Sorry if this is an annoying repetition of "is this haram" threads...

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As to whether halal or haram, keep this in mind. "magic" mushrooms are quite poisonous. The "high" you feel is the effect of your body trying to get the toxins out of your system. Also they are commonly grown out of cow's poop. Do you think cow poop is halal? :P

But where is the evidence that they are poisonous? Is this a scientifically demonstrated fact?

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The typically known "magic" mushrooms are psilocybin mushrooms and the hallucinogenic affects are not from poisoning but from the psilocybin's affects on seratonin levels. Also, they can be grown on anything; most mushrooms sold for recreational purposes are created in a sterile environment using rye or other grains as a nutrient source.


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Rhythm of Earth wrote:
AuroraBorealis wrote:
They alter your state of mind, right? So with that in mind, what do you think? If you are Muslim, the answer should be obvious.


Do they alter it in a negative way? Or a positive way?

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I'm not sure that this matters. I heard most drugs make you feel good, hence why so many people get hooked on them. Keyword is alter, so I wouldn't take my chances with magic shrooms.


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