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Asalamu Aleikum Wa Rahmatullahu wa Barakatu. I am in the process of learning how to pray and I noticed something. At the "Prayer Time" the Azan is called. However, in the mosque the prayer does not start till around 15 minutes later after a second Azan. (obviously because the first call is to inform everyone to come to prayer and after 15 minutes the prayer begins). But if I am at home is it wrong to pray immediately after the first Azan if I am ready to pray? Or must I wait 15 minutes till the second Azan?

The other question, is this. I know that there are certain times that I cannot pray, i.e. from Fajr to sunrise. But apart from this can I pray the prayers at any time. i.e. can I pray Dhur at anytime from its start until Asr? Or if I don't pray it within 15-30 minutes of the Azan is it considered that I missed it and now I must wait for Asr.

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Unread post Re: The Exact time for prayer (2 questions)
salam bro: first of all i am NOT a scholar but what i have been thought.. here goes...

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f I am at home is it wrong to pray immediately after the first Azan if I am ready to pray? Or must I wait 15 minutes till the second Azan?


try your best to pray with the Jamaat as it carries a tremendous reward ... but if you're home.. you can pray once the time for prayer starts.. you do not have to wait 15 minutes or till the second azaan [also called Iqaamah]


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Or if I don't pray it within 15-30 minutes of the Azan is it considered that I missed it and now I must wait for Asr.


again, do your best to pray on time [it carries more reward] but between Zuhr & Asr .. i am quite sure your Zuhr prayer stays valid till Asr time starts..[you cannot pray Zuhr if Asr time has started.. (unless you;re travelling where you can combine Zuhr & Asr ..which is a separate topic so pls don;t let me confuse you) ]

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Thanks bro, that has cleared it all up. Now I will be able to have a little more confidence that I am doing things right when I pray. I'll be honest with you, I have not converted to Islam yet, but I try and pray 5 times a day (the key word here is try, it only happens one a week at most). A few days ago I was out of the house during Maghrib and I really wanted to pray, but I was miles from my house and I knew I would never get back in time. Somehow, and I don't know how I mustered up the courage to simply go into the mosque and pray with the congregation. I must have looked a little out of place because I taught myself how to pray. But in actual fact everything was fine, I quietly gave my prayer with everyone and left.
I don't know if this was wrong though, being that I am not an official convert.

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Zarthushti wrote:
Asalamu Aleikum Wa Rahmatullahu wa Barakatu.


Wa'alykum salam Wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu....

Masha'Allah for your effort to learn about islam..Insha'Allah everything will be fine for you...

Zarthushti wrote:
The other question, is this. I know that there are certain times that I cannot pray, i.e. from Fajr to sunrise. But apart from this can I pray the prayers at any time. i.e. can I pray Dhur at anytime from its start until Asr? Or if I don't pray it within 15-30 minutes of the Azan is it considered that I missed it and now I must wait for Asr.


The three forbidden times of prayers are :

1. When the sun begins to rise [i.e. when the upper tip of the sun appears over the horizon] till approximately 10-15 minutes after sunrise.

Reason : ‘Amr ibn ‘Abasah (may Allaah be pleased with him), that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to him: “Pray Fajr, then refrain from praying until the sun has risen and become high, for when it rises, it rises between the horns of the Shaytaan and at that time the kuffaar prostrate to it...." (Sahih Muslim (832))


2. When the sun is at its peak or its highest point in the sky (this is midday). This is called zawaal. In the prayer charts the time which is given for Dhuhr is actually the time for zawaal. So one should not pray at this time. One should abstain from praying from atleast 10 minutes before zawaal (actual Dhuhr time) to 5 minutes after zawaal. Therefore one should start praying Dhuhr 5 minutes after the time which is listed in the charts.

Reason : "...Then pray, for the prayer is witnessed and attended, until the shadow of a spear falls directly north (i.e., noon). Then refrain from praying, for at that time Hell is stoked up...". (Sahih Muslim (832))

3. When the sun draws near to setting until it sets [completely]. That is approximately 15 minutes before sunset to when the sun sets completely. This is the time when the sun changes colour and its rays become weak. However if a person has not prayed his Asr prayer for that day he can pray his Asr at this time. Even if the sun begins to set his Asr salaat will not break and he should complete his prayers. But any other prayers is forbidden.

Reason : "...Then when the shadow moves forward, pray, for the prayer is witnessed and attended, until you have prayed ‘Asr. Then refrain from praying until the sun has set, for it sets between the horns of the Shaytaan and at that time the kuffaar prostrate to it.”
(Sahih Muslim (832))

To make it easy for you, then you need to have a software which shows prayer time or a chart, if you dont have then download it here : http://www.guidedways.com/prayertimes/app/download.php

To say it in easy way then,
Do not pray,
1. 15 mins after sunrise. (Sunrise time is given in that software ^)
2. 10 mins before Dhuhr and 5 mins after it.
3. after the 'Asr prayer till Magrib prayer (ie, when sun sets completely).

Hope this helps in some way :) ...

Salam'alykum....

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Zarthushti wrote:
Thanks bro, that has cleared it all up. Now I will be able to have a little more confidence that I am doing things right when I pray. I'll be honest with you, I have not converted to Islam yet, but I try and pray 5 times a day (the key word here is try, it only happens one a week at most). A few days ago I was out of the house during Maghrib and I really wanted to pray, but I was miles from my house and I knew I would never get back in time. Somehow, and I don't know how I mustered up the courage to simply go into the mosque and pray with the congregation. I must have looked a little out of place because I taught myself how to pray. But in actual fact everything was fine, I quietly gave my prayer with everyone and left.
I don't know if this was wrong though, being that I am not an official convert.

ما سلما


Masha'Allah you prayed in congregation....It is not wrong since i think you've accepted Islam in your heart, and that is the main focus point between you and Allah(swt).....

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Noble Quran 57:2


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The three forbidden times of prayers are :

1. When the sun begins to rise [i.e. when the upper tip of the sun appears over the horizon] till approximately 10-15 minutes after sunrise.

Reason : ‘Amr ibn ‘Abasah (may Allaah be pleased with him), that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to him: “Pray Fajr, then refrain from praying until the sun has risen and become high, for when it rises, it rises between the horns of the Shaytaan and at that time the kuffaar prostrate to it...." (Sahih Muslim (832))


2. When the sun is at its peak or its highest point in the sky (this is midday). This is called zawaal. In the prayer charts the time which is given for Dhuhr is actually the time for zawaal. So one should not pray at this time. One should abstain from praying from atleast 10 minutes before zawaal (actual Dhuhr time) to 5 minutes after zawaal. Therefore one should start praying Dhuhr 5 minutes after the time which is listed in the charts.

Reason : "...Then pray, for the prayer is witnessed and attended, until the shadow of a spear falls directly north (i.e., noon). Then refrain from praying, for at that time Hell is stoked up...". (Sahih Muslim (832))

3. When the sun draws near to setting until it sets [completely]. That is approximately 15 minutes before sunset to when the sun sets completely. This is the time when the sun changes colour and its rays become weak. However if a person has not prayed his Asr prayer for that day he can pray his Asr at this time. Even if the sun begins to set his Asr salaat will not break and he should complete his prayers. But any other prayers is forbidden.

Reason : "...Then when the shadow moves forward, pray, for the prayer is witnessed and attended, until you have prayed ‘Asr. Then refrain from praying until the sun has set, for it sets between the horns of the Shaytaan and at that time the kuffaar prostrate to it.”
(Sahih Muslim (832))

To make it easy for you, then you need to have a software which shows prayer time or a chart, if you dont have then download it here : http://www.guidedways.com/prayertimes/app/download.php

To say it in easy way then,
Do not pray,
1. 15 mins after sunrise. (Sunrise time is given in that software ^)
2. 10 mins before Dhuhr and 5 mins after it.
3. after the 'Asr prayer till Magrib prayer (ie, when sun sets completely).

Hope this helps in some way ...


brilliant response, its helped me too :)

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Unread post Re: The Exact time for prayer (2 questions)
MashaAlllah, great responses from bro Passer By and PrivateLitz :)

And bro Zarthusti, I am so happy to see your passion for Islam, MashaAllah, beautiful to see :)

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Unread post Re: The Exact time for prayer (2 questions)
Alhamdullilah, thanks everyone for your comments and especially for taking the time to give such a detailed answer. May Allah reward you all.


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