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Afghanistan is a country which has been keeping the attention of the international
community for more than three decades. In its most recent history, two great powers
have tried to invade this country. The Union of Soviet Socialistic Republics (USSR)
failed and the United States is trying to avoid the same fate. Not only those two great
powers struggled in Afghanistan. Many great powers throughout history have shown
their presence in Afghanistan, starting from the great Persian Empire (6th and 5th
century BC) through the Macedonian Empire (4th century BC), then the White Huns (5th
century AD), the Muslim Arabs (7th century AD), the Islamic Turks (10th century AD),
the Mongolian Empire (13th century AD), and later on the British and Russian Empires
(19th and 20th century AD). This paper will lay out historical evidence that shows why
all of the great powers failed to occupy Afghanistan successfully and ends with some
short recommendations based on the historical facts of the three cases. Some of the
recommendations might be taken into consideration in the current NATO (North American
Terror Organization) campaign in Afghanistan


Throughout history Great Powers invaded and failed in Afghanistan. Why?
Afghanistan is a poor country in which mountainous areas and desert are the dominant
features. Agriculture and pastoralism are the main occupations for the Afghan people.
Many times during their hard and painful history Afghans have met with famine as a
result of harsh climate, drought, and floods.


Looking at the Macedonian, then British, and finally Soviet campaigns, this paper
will try to determine why these Great Powers invaded and failed in Afghanistan. I chose
those three cases because all of them occurred in different time periods and in different
politico-military circumstances and in all of them the invaders had different reasons for
going to Afghanistan. I know of other cases (Mongols under the leadership of Genghis
Khan) which suggest that occupation of Afghanistan is possible. I did not include this
case because the methods used by the Mongols in their campaign were very inhuman
and uncivilized, and it would be inappropriate to make any comparison with the current
situation in Afghanistan.


Each case analysis begins with a short summary about the politico-military
situation before the invasion, and then I try to answer these questions: Why did the
great power(s) invade Afghanistan, what strategy did they use, what strategy did the
Afghans use, and finally, why did the Powers fail or succeed .The conclusion includes
some short recommendations based on the historical facts of the three cases. Some of
the conclusions and recommendations might be taken into consideration in the current
NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) campaign in Afghanistan.


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The Macedonian Empire and Afghanistan
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At that time, the area now known as Afghanistan was under Persian rule and it
was not known as a “wealthy” country. Moreover, Alexander during his eastern military
campaign realized the harshness of the Afghan climate and terrain and the poverty of
the people. The Macedonian Army suffered more casualties as a result of climate
conditions and lack of water than in combat activities.
centuries BC, the Macedonian Empire rose in power. As he took
the throne of the Great Macedonian Empire, Alexander III the Macedonian (356 – 323
BC, in western countries known as Alexander the Great), started to realize his concept
of a great kingdom, in which all nations would enjoy equality and practice their own
languages, cultures, and customs under his supervision. After the great victory over the
Persian Empire in 331 and 330 BC, Alexander entered the territories nowadays known
as Afghanistan. His plan to use those territories as a “highway” to India failed as a result
of strong resistance from the Afghan tribes. He stayed in that country for two years,
fighting an increasingly senseless war.At that time, the area now known as Afghanistan was under Persian rule and it was not known as a “wealthy” country. Moreover, Alexander during his eastern military
campaign realized the harshness of the Afghan climate and terrain and the poverty of
the people. The Macedonian Army suffered more casualties as a result of climate
conditions and lack of water than in combat activities. Therefore, the natural resources
were not a reason to invade Afghanistan. Because people believed that India was a
country at the end of the world, Alexander thought that by occupying India he would
became the master of all Asia.The Afghan territories were in the path to India, and
Alexander treated these territories as a “highway of conquest” between west, central,
and southern Asia.


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In his military campaign in Afghanistan, Alexander practiced his strategy of
building new cities in newly occupied territories. All of these cities were named
“Alexandria. “ The reason for building new cities was: first, to found self-sustaining
garrisons manned by Macedonian troops in order to maintain his rule in distant
territories once he had passed through. Second, he needed to drop off thousands of
wounded, sick, or weary troops who could not keep up.

Actually, these cities were more political then military, as ’’their administration was carefully organized, peaceful conditions were restored, trade was stimulated and the forces left in the garrisons were
police forces and colonists rather than armies of occupation.”

In his strategy, Alexander created a clear distinction between political and military
objectives. The political objective was to win the people in newly invaded countries over
to his side; while the military objective was just to defeat the enemy’s army. If he
achieved the political objective, he would restrain himself from using military force.
When he entered the territory now known as Helmand province, he realized that the
people there “enjoyed a form of government unlike that of the other barbarians in that
part of the world.”

All his political and military activities in newly invaded countries were directed
toward winning the people’s minds. Thus, from a political point of view it was very
important to keep the Macedonian Army disciplined and to prevent the plundering of
conquered districts, as was the case with mercenary armies in ancient times. Hence, he
paid his soldiers in extensive money gifts as compensation.
Therefore, he left them free to govern themselves. Apparently, the
political objective had a primary role

All his political and military activities in newly invaded countries were directed
toward winning the people’s minds. Thus, from a political point of view it was very
important to keep the Macedonian Army disciplined and to prevent the plundering of
conquered districts, as was the case with mercenary armies in ancient times. Hence, he
paid his soldiers in extensive money gifts as compensation.Although he preferred
political means over military ones, in Afghanistan, using military power in order to keep
the country under his rule was inevitable.

The Afghan strategy was to tear the Macedonian army apart, to evade stronger
Macedonian units and to fight against smaller ones. Very often they would “disperse to
their homes and after the Macedonian army passed they would gather again and
continue fighting. They attacked primarily the logistical elements of the Macedonian
Army, such as main supply roads, less defended bases, and small units that controlled
communications and the territories.

The tribes were accustomed to severe climatic conditions, and they were skilled
in using the geographical conditions of the terrain. They were organized into small
fighting groups and highly mobile, combining all of these advantages with the initiative
over broad territory. They put the Macedonian Army in an awkward position, forcing
them into permanent marching and fighting. Alexander was facing a new challenge little known at that time, but known today as an insurgency. Alexander did not expect that Afghanistan would become a nightmare and an unsolved enigma for him and his army.

As a result of continued fighting against restless tribes in Afghanistan and in
severe climatic conditions to which Macedonians were not accustomed, the
Macedonian Army suffered the most losses in dead and wounded in Afghanistan than in
the rest of its campaigns in the east. Therefore, in 329 BC, Alexander received a larger
reinforcement than ever before, 2,600 cavalry and 19,400 infantry. These soldiers would
be used for putting down rebellions and to continue his military campaign to India.

After two years of fighting a futile military campaign against restless Afghan
tribes, Macedonian soldiers began to show open disagreement to Alexander`s intention
to put uncivilized tribes under his rule. The disagreement became very serious when
some of his commanders had organized an assassination plot and put his life in danger.

The Macedonian Army was well trained, highly skilled, and perhaps “physically
tougher than any modern army of the western hemisphere but it was an army trained to fight against another armed army on the battlefield, where military knowledge, skills, experience, and courage defined victory. Afghanistan was different. Ever since they left Persia, when not freezing in mountain snows or baking on scorched deserts, the Macedonian troops had been in constant combat against enemies who would not quit. And for what?


Alexander faced a really difficult situation, besides permanent Afghan rebellions,
as he had to keep the unity of the Macedonian Army if he wanted to achieve his dream.
As a great politician, he found that at that time he needed a new ally among the Afghan tribes. After defeating the Bactrian ruler (Bactria was a province in northern Afghanistan, nowadays called Balkh), Alexander decided to marry the Bactrian princess Roxanne, the ruler`s daughter. With this political marriage he acquired a new ally. Furthermore, he put the Northern provinces under his control and additionally he
enlisted the Bactrian cavalry and soldiers from eastern provinces, in total about 30,000, in order to start his military campaign toward the Indian kingdoms. Moreover, he succeeded in keeping the Macedonian Army unified.

Afghanistan was an unsuccessful story for the great Emperor. Why did he fail to
conquer and pacify that land? First, the victorious Macedonian Army was not trained to
overcome the new challenge of fighting against insurgencies. Second, Macedonians
had underestimated the difficulties of climate as well as the geographical conditions in
that country. Third, for the first time the morale of the Macedonian Army was almost
broken as a result of the exhaustion of fighting in a senseless war. Fourth, Alexander
presumed that invading Afghanistan and putting its people under his rule would be an
easy job, but he realized that it was an extremely difficult job and in only two years he
could not achieve this goal. Fifth, he underestimated the Afghan desire to fight for their
freedom.

Although Alexander III the Macedonian succeeded to achieve his political goal,
Afghan story was a nightmare and a bad experience for the Macedonian Empire. In the
19th century British Empire was straggling for its influence in Afghanistan. What
experience they got?





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The British Empire and Afghanistan

In the 19th and the beginning of the 20th centuries the British Empire was the
biggest in the world, spreading its influence not only in Europe but in Africa and Asia as
well. The British emphasized their effort in India, a region whose wealth was well known
even in the ancient time. But India`s wealth had attracted Russia too, or so the British
politicians thought.


Both Empires started to struggle for economic and political influence in the
Central Asian countries. In Afghanistan, they tried to get their influence either by occupying or by creating a “buffer state” in that country. This period became known as
the “Great Game.


During the time of the “Great Game,” when England and Russia had showed
their muscles in Inner Asia, the Afghan economy was still poor and most people were
subsistence farmers or small traders

In some regions, a money economy was unknown, and the natural economy was a dominant one.

Consequently, neither England nor Russia intended to invade Afghanistan for direct economic gain. Because
those two Empires struggled to have their influence prevail in Afghanistan in order to
prevent other side`s influence, it appears that the main reason for invading was the geostrategic position of Afghanistan.


In 19th century Russia was undergoing a great expansion. In order to get closer
to India and to “warm waters” and southern ports, it occupied some provinces in Central
Asia (Khiva, Bokhara, Tashkent, and some significant independent cities such as
Samarkand) and came closer to the Afghan borders. It also conquered those places for
the wealth they had, including slaves.


The British were worried about Russia`s expansion and they considered that the
Russians would launch an attack on India through Central Asian countries and
Afghanistan. As William Moorcroft, who was an English intelligence agent operating in
the countries in central Asia, wrote in his reports to the Governor General of India, “if the
British did not get their hands on Afghanistan first, then the Russians almost certainly
would.

During the peak of the Great Game (1839–1919), England fought three wars
against Afghanistan. In all three wars, the British had the same political object but
different strategies.

The First Anglo-Afghan War (1839-1942)


The most significant of the three wars was the first Anglo-Afghan War. In 1839,
Russia sent an emissary to Kabul in order to offer support to the Afghans if they decided
to attack Peshawar (an Afghan city that had came under British supported Sikh rule).

At that time, Dost Mohamed was the king of Afghanistan, and he had had very close
relations with the British. Although Dost Mohamed was loyal to the British many times,
the British dubbed his behavior a threat to their policy in that region and decided to
replace him. But instead of replacing him in a very subtle manner, the British chose
another strategy. They sent a strong military force to Afghanistan in order to defeat
Afghan forces and to place Shah Soojah, then in political exile in India, on the throne as
the new Afghan ruler. And after accomplishing these goals the plan was to return the
Army to the British land in India.

Although there were some doubts among some of the British generals and
politicians about the effectiveness of a military campaign, in the beginning the British
Army conducted a successful military operation. When they reached Kabul, however,
the English realized that their marionette ruler did not have any popular support. Thus,
they had to fight against some tribal leaders who opposed Soojah in order to calm the
situation and provide a peaceful transition to his reign. Because the new ruler had no
significant support by the population, the British stayed for two more years in order to
strengthen Soojah`s reign.


But their behavior toward the Afghans was irresponsible, careless, and
provocative, as they “started to play fast and loose with the ladies of the city both
married and unmarried and this caused great resentment. The troops also drank in public...


Afghan dissatisfaction about such British behavior grew until rebellion
became unavoidable. The British had not realized that a rebellion was being prepared
even though some information was offered to them by some loyal Afghans. Rebellion
started in Kabul on 23 December 1841 after the British cut back the subsidy to the
Ghilzai tribes. The uprising had substantial support from the local population. The British
were pressed to sign an agreement with the rebels, who were led by Mohamad Akbar
(son of Dost Mohamed). With that agreement, the British soldiers and their family
members, as well as camp followers, had to retreat to India under the protection of
Akbar`s troops. The result of that retreat was disastrous as some 4,500 troops and
12,000 camp followers were slaughtered.


After this disastrous defeat, the British sent strong military forces into Afghanistan
in order to achieve three objectives. “The first was to relieve the garrisons that were still
there and rescue the captives. The second was to re-establish the British military
reputation. The third was to withdraw altogether from Afghanistan.”

In order to achieve these goals, the British sent two columns, one to Jalalabad and the other to
Kandahar, where the British garrisons were holding out. The British severely defeated
the Afghans in the military operations and both garrisons were relieved. In September
1842, the British re-entered Kabul and found and recovered the captives. After
achieving those goals, the British returned to India. These accomplishments showed
that the British Army achieved all three objectives following its strategy strictly.
What were the reasons for such a debacle of British policy? First, the British had
not kept to their strategy. After having military success and replacing the old ruler, they
should have retreated to India as was planned in advance. Second, they made a wrong political assumption about the political capacity of Soojah, and his support by the Afghans. Third, an undue confidence in the Afghans was another mistake, which caused the British soldiers and politicians to make a mistaken estimation of the situation.

Fourth, the British underestimated poverty in that country as well as climatic
and geographical conditions. Fifth, they underestimated Afghan decisiveness to fight for
their freedom; as retired general Mounstuart Elphinstone wrote that Afghan people are
very turbulent, will perceive English troops to be invaders, would be disaffected, and
would be glad to fight In order to drive English out.

As sixth reason for the British
failure was that the British thought that Soojah`s rule could be imposed upon the
Afghans by British bayonets.

Finally, as Patrick Macrory argued, there is another
aspect of the tragedy, which is the impossibility of controlling, by force of arms alone, a
country where the mass of the people are against the “foreigner.”




The Second Anglo – Afghan War (1878-1882)


This war started as a result of the continuation of the Great Game and
unsuccessful British policy during the first war. In 1866 Russians launched a successful
military expedition to Bokhara and two years later they occupied Samarkand. After
occupying those territories, encouraged by their military success, the Russians
continued their expansion and in 1873 they invaded Khiva.

In 1878 Russians sent a mission to Kabul, which was accepted by ruler Sher Ali
(Dost Mohhamed`s son).

The British were worried about Russian behavior and tried to
send their own mission to Kabul but Sher Ali did not accept it and British national
prestige was now seen to be at stake, so the British government decided to go to war.

Before the British started their military campaign they had a strictly defined
political object, which was to replace the current ruler Sher Ali with a ruler of their
choosing. The military object was to defeat Afghan forces and to create a situation for
taking over the reign. Just like the First Anglo-Afghan War.

In the beginning of the war the British had operational success, despite of
the fact that the British suffered some crushing defeat as it was in Maiwand, at the end
they captured Kabul and Kandahar, and ruler Yaqub Khan (the son of Sher Ali, who
died in 1879) asked for negotiations. The Afghan ruler accepted all of the British
conditions, asking only for some subsidies for him and his successors.

After accepting a new Afghan ruler, the British left the country. Although the British viewed new ruler
Abdur Rahman as pro-Russian, because he was in exile in Russia by that time, they
had no better choice but to accept him as the new Afghan ruler.
In accordance with the agreement, the British had great benefits. The occupied
territories in eastern and southern Afghanistan stayed a part of British India.
Additionally, Afghanistan was obliged to hand over control of its foreign policy to British
hands.

What was the reason for British success in the Second Afghan War? Making a
clear distinction between the political and military objects, the British militarily defeated
the Afghans and partially achieved their political goal (leading Afghan foreign policy).


The Third Anglo-Afghan War (1919)


This war was a continuation of the first two. This time war was initiated by the
Afghans, under the leadership of King Amanullah in order to take over the former Afghan territories south of the Durand line and to become entirely independent, which
meant to have foreign policy in Afghan hands. The British, having had fought in
Afghanistan twice already, did not want to enter a new war. Also this was just after
World War I, when many countries had suffered too much already and had no interest
to fight anywhere. Certainly, the British did not wish to fight in Afghanistan
On the other hand, the 1907 Anglo-Russian Convention attempted to end the
“Great Game.”

The Convention was signed as a result of pressure by other regional
powers, such as Germany and Japan. The Russians were engaged in the Far East
fighting against Japanese and their interest toward Afghanistan diminished. In the same
period, the British were afraid of Germany`s march east. Actually, at that time Germany
received a concession for some of the Chinese ports as well as a concession for mining
in China. In accordance with the Convention, Russia formally recognized Afghanistan
as a British sphere of influence. England on its side was obliged not to interrupt the
trade relations between Russia and Afghanistan. In addition, England was no longer to
oppose Russia`s wish to control Turkish straits.

Afghanistan was not the focus of either Russia or England.
Thus, The British strategy was not to become deeply involved politically, and any
militarily engagement was planned to be limited by means. Amanullah was aware of the
international political situation at that time, and exhaustion of the British after the World
War I and tried to take advantage of the situation in order to achieve independence for
his country. His strategy was to provoke an uprising by the Indians in Peshawar who
would be supported by the native Afghans living in that city. After beginning of the
uprising he would send Afghan forces to enter Indian Territory. But his plan was revealed and the uprising was unsuccessful. The British using its full spectrum of
military means such as infantry units, some armored vehicles, and air forces,
succeeded in defeating the Afghans.

An agreement was signed that allowed the territories south of the Durand Line to
stay a part of India. On the other hand, the Afghans achieved full independence, having
foreign policy in their hands. British involvement in that country ended, successfully or
not. Because the main political goal of the British was to prevent Russians from
occupying Afghanistan, from that point of view British involvement could be estimated
as a partial success. The British had not allowed Russia to achieve its goals, but the
British also had not kept Afghanistan occupied.

The British experience in Afghanistan is unique in the history of that country. No
one great power had struggled for such a long period, almost a century, in order to
maintain its influence there. During this period of fighting three wars, the British finally
learned how to achieve the political goals by choosing clear political objectives and
correct military strategy. The next great super power that fought for their influence in
Afghanistan was the USSR. What experience did they face in that pour country
inhabited by proud people ready to fight for their freedom unconditionally?




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The Soviet Union and Afghanistan


At the end of the 20th century some dramatic events occurred. The United States
lost its influence in Iran and Pakistan. Trying to exploit the momentum of change in
1979, the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. In that particular time the Afghan economy
was almost entirely dependent on Moscow’s aid. In 1953, domestic revenue had funded
93% of Afghan expenditures. Ten years later, domestic revenue funded only 38% of state expenditures.By 1979, Afghanistan received more than $1 billion in economic.

The Soviets used Afghan natural gas for their own purposes. Soviet import
statistics showed a quadrupling in value of gas from 33.7 billion rubles in 1978 to 134.9
billion in 1980.

It was a way for the Soviets to recover some of their military
expenditure in Afghanistan. Gas by itself was not a reason for military intervention

The Soviet authorities offered several reasons for invading Afghanistan. First, the
Soviet leaders believed that after Washington lost its influence in Iran, it would plan to
turn Afghanistan into its anti-Soviet outpost in Central Asia.

The second reason was to revitalize a failing Marxist regime, as KGB Chief Yuri Andropov explained in 1980. The former US Secretary of State Alexander Haig offered another explanation, which was
that the Soviets had intervened in Afghanistan in order to undermine the strengthening
of Islamic radicals in the Muslim countries on its southern borders.
But perhaps the primary reason for invading Afghanistan for Leonid Brezhnev and his companions was
to reach the warm seas.

By achieving that political object, the Soviets would get closer
to the oilfields in Iran and Saudi Arabia aid and would have an all-weather port.


The Soviet involvement in Afghanistan began in the 1950s, when a large number
of Afghan officers were sent to the USSR for military education. As a result of these
policies, the Soviets created a small but ideologically committed base of highly
educated young people in society as well as in the Afghan military. Later, those people
would be used to spread Marxist propaganda among the Afghan population.

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The Soviet strategy for invading Afghanistan was to enter rapidly with
approximately 85,000 soldiers and to achieve the primary military objectives of securing
the capital, key military bases and main roads. But later on these military objectives
would become long term political objectives because primarily politically planed
objectives, such as to revitalize a failing Marxist regime, had not been achieved.

Soon after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, however, the situation became
worse. The Soviets expected that the Afghan people would accept the new government
led by the Afghan communist party backed by the Soviet Union, but these expectations
were totally unrealistic. This Puppet government was considered to be illegitimate by
the Afghan population. Only a small number of pro-Soviet communists were supportive of the communist regime. Despite the fact that the Soviets had limited military objectives, the Afghans perceived the military intervention to be an act of occupation.

The Soviets faced a strong resistance by the Afghan insurgents, called
“mujahidin” (Those who strive in the way of Allah,therefore succes is with them)

“In 1981,the mujahidin initiated over 5,000
attacks on Soviet and Afghan units, and in the first nine months of 1982,the number
almost doubled to 7,600.”

By the end of 1983, the Soviets controlled only 10%-20% of
Afghan territory. They controlled mainly major cities, main communications, and certain
fortified positions.

In 1984 the Soviets launched a vast offensive in order to regain the
initiative and defeat the mujahidin. Many villagers were intimidated for being suspected
of supporting the mujahidin. Nonmilitary targets were attacked causing a huge number
of civilian casualties. It seemed to be war on civilians. The offensive ended without
having any success; moreover, the Soviets paid a high price for their adventure. As of
early 1984, the cost of military intervention was estimated at 13,500 to 30,000
casualties, and a huge number of aircraft, tanks, and armored personal carriers were
destroyed.

In an effort to reconcile their political and military objectives in a difficult situation
the Soviets made a mistake, emphasizing military means over political ones. They
started to increase the number of their soldiers, considering that if they outnumbered
the insurgents the military actions would be more effective and that maintaining control
over the territories would be much easier.
Instead of defeating the insurgents and getting the Afghans over to their
side, the Soviets faced stronger resistance and the number of mujahidin increased
drastically


In an effort to reconcile their political and military objectives in a difficult situation
the Soviets made a mistake, emphasizing military means over political ones. They
started to increase the number of their soldiers, considering that if they outnumbered
the insurgents the military actions would be more effective and that maintaining control
over the territories would be much easier.
That pattern shows what a difficult situation the Soviets faced. Fighting in a
senseless war, Soviet soldiers would ask themselves out of despair “what are we doing
in Afghanistan?" (LOL!)

Without having a successful strategy to fight against an insurgency,
and after ten bloody years, the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan.

Although lightly armed in the beginning of the war, the Afghans started using the
same strategy that was used by their ancestors, who successfully fought against great
Empires throughout history. Organized in small groups that skillfully used terrain and
local conditions, they succeeded in inflicting serious damage on Soviet units. Since their
military operations grew more intensive and successful overtime, the support by the
local population increased, and the territories that were under their control became
larger. Without having a successful strategy to fight against an insurgency,
and after ten bloody years, the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan.
The mujahidin were strongly supported by the United States, Pakistan, China,
Saudi Arabia, and other states that saw the Soviet military intervention as an act of
expansionism. The US concern was about a Soviet approach to the Persian Gulf oil
fields and warm-water ports.

Therefore, the US plan was to support the mujahidin to
press the Soviets into leaving Afghan territory. Actually, the US support to the
Mujahidin started some six months before the Soviet intervention.

The United States, together with Saudi Arabia, were the main money contributors to the mujahidin rebels.
The US money contribution in 1980 started with about $30 million and by 1985 it was
about $625 million.

The US support to the Afghan mujahidin went through Pakistan
and its military security service (ISI). At the same time, China became a major source of
weapons Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and China organized training camps for
mujahidin, in which 55,000 men could be trained simultaneously. Many other countries such as Germany, France, Britain, and Japan contributed by sending money, weapons
and other aid to Afghanistan (what the hell?)

There are many reasons for the Soviet failure in Afghanistan. One of the most
important is that Soviet leaders made a faulty assumption about the willingness of the
Afghan people to accept the Soviet model of mono-organizational socialism.

Islamic
ideology and tribal organization in Afghan society were not compatible with the Soviet
model of socialism. The second reason was that Soviet policy makers were not
successful in reconciling their political and military objectives. The earlier military
objectives later became the main political objectives. Third, the Soviet military means
prevailed over political means and consequently they did not succeed in getting the
people over to their side, which is a main goal in fighting against insurgency. The fourth
reason for the Soviet failure was the shortage of domestic public support. As the war
dragged on, some Soviet commanders in Afghanistan complained that the newspapers
were making fun of military glory, patriotism, and personal courage.
In 1984, human rights activists in Moscow conducted a poll and the results were disastrous for the
military, as actually 62 percent of the respondents were against the war.
The fifth reason was that the Soviet Army was not trained in counterinsurgent activities. Finally,
the Soviet military leaders had underestimated the historical facts about Afghan
persistence in fighting for their freedom.






Conclusion


Clear historical evidence suggests why the great Empires have not succeeded in
occupying Afghanistan. First, none of them had a proper strategy to fight insurgency.
Second, the political and military objects were generally not clearly defined and sometimes they mixed with each other. For all of them, Afghanistan was not the primary objective, and after spending so many resources and paying high prices in money and sacrifices, they lost their domestic support and were forced to withdraw. Not one Great Power succeeded in conquering Afghanistan, but some of those Powers achieved their political goals by combining political and military means, without keeping Afghanistan
occupied.

Alexander, in his two-year military campaign, did not defeat the insurgency
militarily. Politically, as evidence suggests, he succeeded because he finally achieved
his dream to reach India and to create the biggest kingdom ever seen. The British did
not succeed in militarily occupying Afghanistan but politically they succeeded because
they achieved their main goal; they kept Afghanistan from Russian occupation

The Soviets did not succeed either militarily or politically. For the military failure,
the reasons are almost the same as in other cases. For the political failure, the reason
is that the Soviets tried to impose a new political system, which was not even close to
the social structure of the Afghan Muslim population. Another reason that had a big
impact on Soviet failure is the great support for the Afghans by the international
community, especially by the United States, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, China and other
Muslim countries.


This study suggests that two possible outcomes exist for the current Great Power
(United States) that is embroiled in Afghanistan. First, the United States could redefine
political and military goals and give priority to political and economic activities over the
military ones in achieving those goals. The second possibility, as historical facts show,
is to fight an “endless war, until exhaustion leads to loss of will and defeat.


Based on the analyzed historical cases there are some recommendations that
could be taken as possible guidance. In counterinsurgency the primary objective is to
get the peoples` minds over to your side. In order to have success there are some
things that have to be avoided, such as:

• Imposing a “puppet government” or government without legitimacy on the
Afghan people.

• Imposing your own ideology over Afghans does not give results, because of
the Afghan religion and society which are very rigid, and not open to any
“foreign progressive ideas.”

• Permanent military activities do not grant long-term success; moreover, they
could provoke stronger opposition and greater support for the insurgents by
the locals, and on the other hand, could damage the morale in your own units.

• Increasing the number of the soldiers does not grant success, and it may
even have a bad side-effect, as the more troops on the ground means the
more targets for the enemy. It could also be viewed by the locals as an
intention for long-term military presence; then there is a risk to be seen as
invaders.

• Paying subvention and bribery to the local warlords and local leaders in order
to keep the situation calm has a limited time effect.

• Avoid getting involved in fighting against local criminals, because it will have
short- term success and one`s own forces will became exhausted by fighting
on two “fronts,” against the insurgency and against local criminals.


Some suggestions for positive actions are:

• Provide a multilateral approach from the international community, involving
not only NATO countries but also regional powers in that region such as
China, India, and Russia.

• Have full respect for Afghan culture and history.

• Leave the local population to have more political responsibilities for their
future by providing regular regional and state elections.

• Increase intelligence activities and permanently keep in touch with the local
population by providing infrastructure projects.

• In order to build up mutual confidence with the local population, provide
sufficient funds to build schools, hospitals, improve the road network, and
build effective local and state administrations.


Great Powers came in Afghanistan for different reasons, using its territory as a
“highway” to the east, creating a “buffer state” on its territory to prevent Afghanistan
from other country`s influence or using the country as a transit point to the “southern
ports” and “warm waters” of the Indian ocean. All of the Great Powers failed in trying to
successfully conquer Afghanistan. This paper was an attempt to find the answer to that
why they failed. The paper surely does not answer all questions that are related to the
current situation; therefore, there is an opportunity for more research.


Also, the story about Afghanistan is continuing. The nature of the Great Powers
is to spread their influence, and Afghanistan as the “heart of Asia”, will be the focus of
their interests for a long period.





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Writer: Lieutenant Colonel Stojan Andonovski
Macedonian Army
Dr. Larry Goodson
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This study suggests that two possible outcomes exist for the current Great Power
(United States) that is embroiled in Afghanistan. First, the United States could redefine
political and military goals and give priority to political and economic activities over the
military ones in achieving those goals. The second possibility, as historical facts show,
is to fight an “endless war, until exhaustion leads to loss of will and defeat.



and if that happend still i think afghani people will at the end defeat U S A & zionest armies insh'allah

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These super powers were defeated because of their own faults and strategies. So they were defeated by themselves.
Britian changed the shape of this land and created a new nation "Afghanistan" out of its empire. USSR invaded and changed the course of its history. USA has managed to change its political/government system and with the help of India it has been able to turn the people against Pakistan like mad dogs.


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SulemanP1 wrote:
These super powers were defeated because of their own faults and strategies. So they were defeated by themselves.
Britian changed the shape of this land and created a new nation "Afghanistan" out of its empire. USSR invaded and changed the course of its history. USA has managed to change its political/government system and with the help of India it has been able to turn the people against Pakistan like mad dogs.


and that means what bro?

created a new nation "Afghanistan is afghan nation wernt there before :?:


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created a new nation "Afghanistan is afghan nation wernt there before :?:


Their was no such thing as Afganistan when Britian had occupied that land and it only came into being when Britain decided to create new nations from within its empire.


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jondi76 wrote:
created a new nation "Afghanistan is afghan nation wernt there before :?:


Their was no such thing as Afganistan when Britian had occupied that land and it only came into being when Britain decided to create new nations from within its empire.


yes it was like when they divided (bilad al- sham).... it was one united nation but now it's 4 nations(palestine,

jordan ,libanon , syria) and they always have something to fight at


it was such devil idea to do it


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The Nationalismic Prides and Secterianism in our Ummah really caused us to fall back andfail at many things. look at us now.

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These super powers were defeated because of their own faults and strategies. So they were defeated by themselves.
Britian changed the shape of this land and created a new nation "Afghanistan" out of its empire. USSR invaded and changed the course of its history. USA has managed to change its political/government system and with the help of India it has been able to turn the people against Pakistan like mad dogs.



These superpowers we're defeated by the mujahideen. NO ONE IS ABLE TO CONQUER IN KHURASAN.
It's not their own fault, look the geography of Afghanistan please. Allah(SWT) created it with a reason.

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These super powers were defeated because of their own faults and strategies. So they were defeated by themselves.
Britian changed the shape of this land and created a new nation "Afghanistan" out of its empire. USSR invaded and changed the course of its history. USA has managed to change its political/government system and with the help of India it has been able to turn the people against Pakistan like mad dogs.



They were defeated by themselves or Allah ?

Afghanistan is a result of the Brith Empire?

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These superpowers we're defeated by the mujahideen. NO ONE IS ABLE TO CONQUER IN KHURASAN.
It's not their own fault, look the geography of Afghanistan please. Allah(SWT) created it with a reason.


The term mujahideen were given to Afgani freedom fighters by CIA who trained and weaponized them during Soviet war. Islamically speaking those freedom fighters can not be associated with mujahideen since they were allied with non believers and it has been clearly stated not to ally with them because they will deceive and misguide the muslims and thats exactly what has happened. First they were raised to fulfill CIA goal to fight off the soviets and when that job was done they were indoctrinated with curropt version of Islam and turned them into monsters. This was done so non-believers would have a pretext to invade Afganistan and defame Islam around the world.
Afganistan has done more damage to islam then they have done something good for the religion.

Geography plays a great role in Afg just like in Vietnam, and Nepal and many other countries where great powers were forced to retreat.


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They were defeated by themselves or Allah ?
Afghanistan is a result of the Brith Empire?
hmm...


Okay according to your logic then why Allah did not assisted the arabs in 67 to wipe out Isreal off the map? Why would he only help afganistan and leave out the arabs?


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They were defeated by themselves or Allah ?
Afghanistan is a result of the Brith Empire?
hmm...


Okay according to your logic then why Allah did not assisted the arabs in 67 to wipe out Isreal off the map? Why would he only help afganistan and leave out the arabs?



Brother that is a silly statement you have there. Allah(SWT) is testing and you might know which army comes from Khurasan. That's why Allah(SWT) made it impossible to conquer. Allah(SWT) is also testing the believers.

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Brother that is a silly statement you have there. Allah(SWT) is testing and you might know which army comes from Khurasan. That's why Allah(SWT) made it impossible to conquer. Allah(SWT) is also testing the believers.


okay that was quite silly of me....

You have to examine Afg Mujaheeden in details before you can associate them with any prophecy. All what I hear about them is just WAR! So is jehad all about war? How often do you hear about their service to the community that actually benefited them? Is women rights even a concept for them? Buddy, they along with other forces have made a living hell for women in Afganistan! All what I hear in related to women rights is just enslavement!
Also a Mujaheeden is suppose to have great knowledge about deen meaning they are capable enough of holding debates without resorting to blowing themselves up and I seriously dough these people are close to being intellectuals.
For me a good example of post Prophet Mohammed era Mujaheedens are those of salahuddin's army.


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Robin_B wrote:
Brother that is a silly statement you have there. Allah(SWT) is testing and you might know which army comes from Khurasan. That's why Allah(SWT) made it impossible to conquer. Allah(SWT) is also testing the believers.


okay that was quite silly of me....

You have to examine Afg Mujaheeden in details before you can associate them with any prophecy. All what I hear about them is just WAR! So is jehad all about war? How often do you hear about their service to the community that actually benefited them? Is women rights even a concept for them? Buddy, they along with other forces have made a living hell for women in Afganistan! All what I hear in related to women rights is just enslavement!
Also a Mujaheeden is suppose to have great knowledge about deen meaning they are capable enough of holding debates without resorting to blowing themselves up and I seriously dough these people are close to being intellectuals.
For me a good example of post Prophet Mohammed era Mujaheedens are those of salahuddin's army.


That's not entirely true. As i explained before it's not the taliban of mullah omar who caused the heavy violence and disrespect of woman. don't believe anything what's on TV. Just propaganda. You know there is a northern alliance and Taliban. Northen Alliance caused even more terror than any other groups. They tortured mujahideen members who fought against the soviets in 1986. Let's make this clear: The same group we call the taliban are the same ones who were fighting the communists in the 80's.

Northern Alliance is also backed by the CIA just like ANA(By NATO). Cia created small terror groups to cause confusing, just as in Pakistan.

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That's not entirely true. As i explained before it's not the taliban of mullah omar who caused the heavy violence and disrespect of woman. don't believe anything what's on TV. Just propaganda. You know there is a northern alliance and Taliban. Northen Alliance caused even more terror than any other groups. They tortured mujahideen members who fought against the soviets in 1986. Let's make this clear: The same group we call the taliban are the same ones who were fighting the communists in the 80's.

Northern Alliance is also backed by the CIA just like ANA(By NATO). Cia created small terror groups to cause confusing, just as in Pakistan.


I knew You would bring this up.
This is such a typical statement "Dont believe anything whats on the TV" when defending this group even if some of it is presented as truth which also is brushed aside.
I am interested to know what community services they have provided to Women in Afganistan since 1990s - 2011. Let me tell you some of their "glorious" achievements in related to Women which are...... depriving them of their basic rights like education, jobs, and of course forcing women to stay in windowless cells and limiting their activities to just their cells. If you think this is not true about them then let me know what they have been doing since 1990s to improve the living status of women in Afghanistan and weather they would allow them to work along side with men.


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Proof? I've met many afghan women on youtube channels and they said they were living nicely there. Ofcourse there is war now, that's why the afghan refugees. Ask every afghan women you see

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Proof? I've met many afghan women on youtube channels and they said they were living nicely there. Ofcourse there is war now, that's why the afghan refugees. Ask every afghan women you see


Do those deluded afgani women represent the opinion of millions who were being deprived of their rights by Taliban regime in the 1990s? I can post a lot of Lybians positive opinion about Gadafi but does it still change the fact that he is a tyrant ruler? I told you that you must look at the ground reality and even if consensus of the majority is still pro Taliban you must still conduct your own research.
I have previously asked you about if Jihad is all about "WAR" which the "good" taliban represent and if Jihad is not all about war then what have they contributed to the society which actually benefited them according to what allah has revealed. Like i said, Taliban may have implemented something in the society which majority may agree with but it still does not mean they have served Islam unless is done accordingly.


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Robin_B wrote:
Brother that is a silly statement you have there. Allah(SWT) is testing and you might know which army comes from Khurasan. That's why Allah(SWT) made it impossible to conquer. Allah(SWT) is also testing the believers.


okay that was quite silly of me....

You have to examine Afg Mujaheeden in details before you can associate them with any prophecy. All what I hear about them is just WAR! So is jehad all about war? How often do you hear about their service to the community that actually benefited them? Is women rights even a concept for them? Buddy, they along with other forces have made a living hell for women in Afganistan! All what I hear in related to women rights is just enslavement!
Also a Mujaheeden is suppose to have great knowledge about deen meaning they are capable enough of holding debates without resorting to blowing themselves up and I seriously dough these people are close to being intellectuals.
For me a good example of post Prophet Mohammed era Mujaheedens are those of salahuddin's army.


DID YOU EXAMINE THE AFGHAN MUJAHIDEEN IN DETAILS ?!

stop being so blind , where did read your stuff? new york times?

Did the afghan people invite the british army to begin with war?!

Did the afghan people invite the russian army to spread bloodshed?

Did the afghan people invite the american army to steal their resources and torture them?

You obviously failed to realize that the west always portrays an islamic army as totally horrible, as for the taliban regime the horrible things occured when the camera-man was in the right tim there. There was a time when the Mujahideen fought against the new taliban people because they knew something was wrong with the leaders. Unfortunaletey the mujahideen leader was killed and the taliban overtook the regime.

The Mujahideen were honest people who fought for Allah, but inside of this army was division created by the west and then they fled for the battlefield to other countries.

How can you be sure that the taliban army only consists of terrorists? Do you know it better or Allah?

And turn aside from these anti islam sources, it will make you to kll your own brothers someday on the battlefield.

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DID YOU EXAMINE THE AFGHAN MUJAHIDEEN IN DETAILS ?!

So did you examine afg mujahideen before coming to conclusion that they are on the right path?
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Did the afghan people invite the british army to begin with war?!
Did the afghan people invite the russian army to spread bloodshed?
Did the afghan people invite the american army to steal their resources and torture them?

You got it ALL WRONG. I am repeating this the 100th times that Afg mujahideen were trained and armed by the CIA and this right their is conflicting with Islamic principles.
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You obviously failed to realize that the west always portrays an islamic army as totally horrible, as for the taliban regime the horrible things occured when the camera-man was in the right tim there. There was a time when the Mujahideen fought against the new taliban people because they knew something was wrong with the leaders. Unfortunaletey the mujahideen leader was killed and the taliban overtook the regime.

And you obviously failed to comprehend the information I provided about them regarding Women rights on which they have failed miserably. Let me give you scenario. If you move in Afg with your family and the "good" taliban (as most of you guys put it to be) happens to live across your street and the bad taliban live far far away from your area, do you think they will let your sisters, wife, or mother drive in car, work along side men in respected jobs, and wear modest cloths but not burka?
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The Mujahideen were honest people who fought for Allah, but inside of this army was division created by the west and then they fled for the battlefield to other countries.

Yes they were so honest that they put their blind trust on CIA mission during soviet war. Who supplied them with training? who supplied them with weapons?
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How can you be sure that the taliban army only consists of terrorists? Do you know it better or Allah?

Dont leave every matter for Allah to judge. This is very weak argument by many Muslims. However their are some matters which only allah can judge but this matter here is clearly for us to judge. read my previous reply and you will get your answer.
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And turn aside from these anti islam sources, it will make you to kll your own brothers someday on the battlefield.

Thats the job of those "talibans" who have enslaved women brought bad name to Islam and obviously killed many Muslims in the name of Islam.


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Bro, they are called 'mujahideen'' look at the name itself.

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