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The Tangram 3DS's New Version Future 8-)

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FAIL

Venus Project is Agenda 21 re-worded. And that french guy is a nut case.

Fail fail fail.

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FAIL

Venus Project is Agenda 21 re-worded. And that french guy is a nut case.

Fail fail fail.


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agranda 21 just one? EPIC FAIL! :roll:

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ALL RIGHT, let me clear and He got good points on what wrong with world and why?

Do you know what is wrong with you? because you are not ready to receive to new ideas? :o :o :o :o...

JUST PUT YOUR NEW IDEAS AND ENJOY DISCUSSION NOT RUIN NEW VERSION OF FUTURE! :x

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HEY, JWPDX RUN!!!!!!

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Just kidding

project of masder ciy are similar to jacque fresco's works?





WHO IS JACQUE FRESCO :ugeek:

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Jacque Fresco is an American self-educated structural designer, philosopher of science, concept artist, educator, and futurist. His interests span a wide range of disciplines including several in philosophy, science, and engineering.[4] Fresco writes and lectures extensively on his view of subjects ranging from the holistic design of sustainable cities, energy efficiency, natural resource management, cybernated technology, advanced automation, and the role of science in society, focusing on the benefits he claims this will bring. With his colleague, Roxanne Meadows, he is the founder and director of an organization known as The Venus Project, located in Venus, Florida.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacque_Fresco

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Greetings SerenitytoSerenity,

I've heard about this before, and frankly I'm rather curious. I've encountered the Venus Project in the past and done some reading, but it's still fairly vague to me. What exactly is it? A new system of governance, policies that any kind of government could implement which would better humanity, or something else?

Since you're here and and brought up the topic, I'd rather like you to give your understanding of it all and I'd prefer you not linking me to any websites as I'm hoping you have a good semantic understanding of it and would be able to explain it succinctly since I'm still unclear after reading some of the websites I've come across.

In particular, I'd like information on the Venus Project regarding the following (especially since from what I've read, it purports to be a complete overhaul of human society):

1)System of Government
2)Economy - Jobs, Currency, purchasing goods, etc.
3)Housing and Human Habitation
4)Energy
5)Food Production
6)Law Enforcement and Defense - Face it there'll always be someone out there who wishes to violate your freedoms and importantly will I be allowed to use self defense and legally have access to the means to do so
7)Civil Liberties

It's been a while since I last read about this, but what interested me in the Venus Project was reading somewhere that we'd be able to follow professions that we're truly interested in, not working a job because we had no other choice. I'm assuming this is because our food, housing, etc will be taken care of under the efficiency of the new system leaving people to pursue their life passions.

If this is correct, it would free us from the economic slavery of the current system. Incidentally, many historians also consider this system where everyone's basic necessities were taken care of to be the reason of human advancement, freeing up people to bring about advances instead of working to merely subsist (which is ironically how we live in modern times).

Finally does the Venus Project in anyway seek to curtail human population or herd them into highly concentrated areas to make way for nature.

If you cannot, or don't wish to, answer any of these points, that is fine. Much appreciated if you do.

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Unity will make the Muslims strong

Earth's New Ummah Version of Future

Quarrels and disputes cause internal disintegration, which weakens Muslims' spiritually. This is one of the many secrets that the Qur'an reveals to believers, and it points to another important reality: Just as disputes and quarrels weaken them spiritually, unity and solidarity strengthen them. Allah tells Muslims to unite and resist when they are wronged (Surat ash-Shura, 39). This divine order contains great wisdom. For instance, destroying irreligious ideologies will be possible only when the Muslims unite.

However, what truly makes the believers' union so strong is their faith and loyalty. Since only genuine faith can engender true friendship and alliance, Muslims must love one another with a pure heart and for the good pleasure of Allah, without the slightest selfish interest. A union built on the strongest foundation known to humanity—the fear and love of Allah—will never shatter, unless Allah wills otherwise. Such a strong alliance will naturally give the Muslims rarely achieved power. With the following verse, Allah points out that success does not depend upon a group's size:

How many a small force has triumphed over a much greater one by Allah's permission! Allah is with the steadfast. (Surat al-Baqara, 249)

An Islamic union based on faith and devotion will provide Muslims with the necessary enthusiasm and willpower for great success.

In another verse, Allah reveals that although the deniers appear to be united, they have not achieved true unity:

Their hostility toward each other is intense. They are full of bravado in each other's company. You consider them united, but their hearts are scattered wide. That is because they are people who do not use their intellect. (Surat al-Hashr, 14)

Irrespective of how solid a union appears to be, it is in fact very unstable if it is not built on sincerity and genuine intentions, for this means that it is based only on various interests. And, when any of these interests is threatened, the union will fall apart quickly. Since Allah has revealed this secret in the Qur'an, the Muslims' union is not shaken by worldly losses; rather, it is strengthened. This awareness makes the union very solid. The great Islamic scholar Said Nursi uses the following example to explain why a union formed by sincere Muslims will be strong:

So we are surely in need of solidarity and true union, obtained through gaining sincerity—for the mystery of sincerity secures through four individuals the moral strength of one thousand one hundred and eleven—indeed, we are compelled to obtain it.

Yes, if three alifs [the letter "A" in Arabic which takes the shape of a single vertical stroke, like the letter "I" or the number 1] do not unite, they have the value of three. But if they do unite, through the mystery of numbers, they acquire the value of one hundred and eleven. If four times four remain apart, they have a value of sixteen. But if, through the mystery of brotherhood and having a common goal and joint duty, they unite, coming together shoulder to shoulder on a line, they have the strength and value of four thousand four hundred and forty-four. Just as numerous historical events testify that the moral strength and value of sixteen self-sacrificing brothers have been greater than that of four thousand.

The underlying reason for this mystery is this: Each member of a true and sincere union may see also with the eyes of the other brothers and hear with their ears. As if each person of a true union of ten has the value and strength of seeing with twenty eyes, thinking with ten minds, hearing with twenty ears, and working with twenty hands

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Unread post Re: The Venus Project: Earth's New Version of Future...
you don't know what agenda 21 is i assume.

"Agenda 21 just one" is not a sentance. Or an argument.

Venus project has already been de-bunked as a NWO sceme.

Do you have any aces? Go fish.

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Greetings SerenitytoSerenity,

I've heard about this before, and frankly I'm rather curious. I've encountered the Venus Project in the past and done some reading, but it's still fairly vague to me. What exactly is it? A new system of governance, policies that any kind of government could implement which would better humanity, or something else?

Since you're here and and brought up the topic, I'd rather like you to give your understanding of it all and I'd prefer you not linking me to any websites as I'm hoping you have a good System of Government
Economy - Jobs, Currency, purchasing goods, etc.
Housing and Human Habitation
Energy
Food Production
Law Enforcement and Defense - Face it there'll always be someone out there who wishes to violate your freedoms and importantly will I be allowed to use self defense and legally have access to the means to do so
Civil Liberties

are IMPORTANT issues which require to be research method is a process that applies logic, order, and critical thinking skills. Ummah can do it and are better to change new version concepts just like Jacque Fresco's work.

humanity must be needs new "version of future" because we need to wake up and take goals that is not been fulfil. of it and would be able to explain it succinctly since I'm still unclear after reading some of the websites I've come across.

In particular, I'd like information on the Venus Project regarding the following (especially since from what I've read, it purports to be a complete overhaul of human society):

System of Government
Economy - Jobs, Currency, purchasing goods, etc.
Housing and Human Habitation
Energy
Food Production
Law Enforcement and Defense - Face it there'll always be someone out there who wishes to violate your freedoms and importantly will I be allowed to use self defense and legally have access to the means to do so
Civil Liberties

It's been a while since I last read about this, but what interested me in the Venus Project was reading somewhere that we'd be able to follow professions that we're truly interested in, not working a job because we had no other choice. I'm assuming this is because our food, housing, etc will be taken care of under the efficiency of the new system leaving people to pursue their life passions.

If this is correct, it would free us from the economic slavery of the current system. Incidentally, many historians also consider this system where everyone's basic necessities were taken care of to be the reason of human advancement, freeing up people to bring about advances instead of working to merely subsist (which is ironically how we live in modern times).

Finally does the Venus Project in anyway seek to curtail human population or herd them into highly concentrated areas to make way for nature.

If you cannot, or don't wish to, answer any of these points, that is fine. Much appreciated if you do.


assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, brother hope you be well-being

Ok I will think about semantic understanding more. yes i'll be careful to post. thank for remind me.

I'm new at forum and this is beginning for discussion, we will be start talking about human development it's necessary to get more information.

The Ummah must be regarded as an earthly representative of Allah present new version of future for humanity. Allah (swt) and His Rasulullah (saw) want us take goals of Ummah that is not been fulfil. why wait and let make new ideas.

for example

System of Government
Economy - Jobs, Currency, purchasing goods, etc.
Housing and Human Habitation
Energy
Food Production
Law Enforcement and Defence - Face it there'll always be someone out there who wishes to violate your freedoms and importantly will I be allowed to use self defense and legally have access to the means to do so[
Civil Liberties


are important issues which require to be research method is a process that applies logic, order, and critical thinking skills. Ummah can do it and are better to change new version concepts just like Jacque Fresco's work.

It is very important for Muslims to keep their faith strong and to think deep.

Those who look at the Qur'an must examine it as very rationally as a whole. What does Allah emphasize the most? Allah always emphasizes the abnormalities of disbelief and how believers must be fixed in their faith against it; believers being strong and thinking and investigating and always being on the side of Allah. I mean, as far as we see, 80% or 90% this is discussed in the Qur'an. And [what is also mentioned is] holding up with the strength of faith; we must always ask Allah to keep our faith strong.

Look for instance, some people say; this is Surah Ya Sin, 78. I have turned a random page. You can look for this yourself, everyone can; this is something prevalent in the Qur'an. I seek refuge with Allah from the satan. With the name of Allah All-Merciful Most- Merciful.

"He makes likenesses of Us and forgets his own Creation, saying, 'Who will give life to bones when they are decayed'?" Ya Sin 36:78

What is this? This is weakness of faith. He cannot believe. What do you need in the face of that? Ascertained faith, perception of truth, genuine faith is required. Look, Almighty Allah says; "Say 'He Who made them in the first place will bring them back to life. He has total knowledge of each created thing'.."

What is this? This is a sign leading to faith, because Almighty Allah encourages people to think. Look, He says; "He, Whomade them in the first place will bring them back to life." We see that the human beings are created most perfectly. They are created in the first place. Let us think of this pen for instance, it has been made once. Could the factory make another one, or not? Yes, it could. Why ever not? If we were to say; "you cannot do this another time", could one say that? It is obvious that it can. Can a craftsman who makes one chair not make another? Yes, he can. That applies to everything. Allah also says "I made them in the first place.. so would I not do it again?" Allah reminds us that human beings cannot devise even such an easy thing. Look, even something that is so easy cannot be devised by billions of people. Then they say, "Actually, that is really true. I never thought about that before." I mean, this is how superficial people tend to think. That is why Allah reminds us this.

Their way of thinking is so impaired that they say, "Who will give life to bones when they are decayed?" Since they are materialists, they say, "Once matter has gone it is all over." Since they look at things from a materialist perspective. They are unable to equate matter and the soul since they deny the existence of the soul. That is weakness of faith. "He Who produces fire for you from green trees."Allah also notes the greenness of wood and says He has made it flammable. He draws attention to the greenness of wood and its inflammability. Allah opens our horizons. But it never even occurs to people. In other words, Allah's Creation of trees in such a form that they can be burned, and their arising from green plants and growing from the soil out of nothing. From soil and water, soon becomes something capable of being burned. Look, that is soil; can you burn soil? No you cannot. Can water burn? No. But water and soil combine together, after a while you look and see that something flammable has emerged. Then you look and see that fruits are formed after a while. Oranges, apples, mandarins, walnuts, melons, watermelons, beans, lentils and whatever else you can think of comes out form the soil. "He Who produces fire for you from green trees." Allah broadens our horizons. He encourages us to see the signs leading to faith and to think. He reminds us to reflect in order to expand our horizons. When we reflect on it we start thinking of a whole chain of other things. Allah does this so we should think of other things. "Does He Who created the heavens and earth not have the power to create the same again?" There is another logic here. Has He created the atmosphere in the most perfect form? Yes, He has. He also created the soil. Does not Allah cause this Earth to float like a feather in the boundless vastness of space? We are like in a ship at the moment. The whole world, all 7 billion people are like in a vessel. We are floating about like a feather along with the world in the boundless vastness of space. Never running aground or suffering any turbulence. Take a car. No matter what equipment they provide, cars still rock about, as do planes. But there is not the slightest turbulence here. The whole world is moving through the sky. It is like soul, it just floats about like that. And nothing happens to it. Allah says; "Have I not created the earth and the skies in the first place, so why would I not create the ground and the sky of the Heaven?" In other words, Allah says; "Since I am the One Who created the man in the first place why would I not create him again?"He is encouraging us to think. But Allah does not provide so much information as to eliminate the need for our free will, that is because the test would then be meaningless. Allah prepares the ground for us to reflect. Almighty Allah says, "Does He Who created the heavens and earth not have the power to create the same again?" Of course He is. Allah does not leave it there. He encourages people to expand their minds. "He is the Creator, the All-Knowing."

Look Allah always describes Creation. And what do we always talk about? Creation. So what do they say about us? "They are creationists," they say. Because we say that "Allah created all," they call us creationists. What do they say? They say, "It was chance that created." "An idol did it," they say. But what do we say? "Allah created" ".. when He desires a thing is just to say to it, 'Be!' and it is," says Allah. Where is the evolution in that? Allah answers evolutionists like that. Evolutionists say, "It must have taken a very long time. Allah could not do so otherwise (may Allah forbid!)." But Allah says, "when He desires a thing is just to say to it, 'Be!' and it is."Allah gives a time frame. "And it is." It happens instantaneously, without any waiting period. ""Glory be to Him Who has the Dominion of all things in His Hand. To Him you will be returned."

These are all facts leading to faith, do you see? Allah directs us to these so we will have faith and believe this. That is why the facts leading to faith are the most crucial subject. And because of this we concentrate on the signs leading to faith above all else. We concentrate on ascertained faith and we take a stand against imitated faith. Faith must not be imitated, it should ascertained, one must research as the imitated faith is weak.

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The Venus project presented by Jacque Fresco in the Zeitgeist movie is actually a eugenical plan for a ....new world order.

They follow and mirror all the same precepts of a golobalist scientific dictatorship.

"The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture. There are many people today who are concerned with the serious problems that face our modern society: unemployment, violent crime, replacement of humans by technology, over-population and a decline in the Earth's ecosystems."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/


"Lucifer is a Latin word, literally meaning "light-bearer", which in that language is used as a name for the dawn appearance of the planet Venus, heralding daylight. Use of the word in this sense is uncommon in English, in which "Day Star" or "Morning Star" are more common expressions."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer


The ultimate goal is a "Cybernated Government" Where computers are in charge of everything.

"We are fast approaching a time when human intelligence will be incapable of interacting with the rapidly occurring events in the physical world. The human mind is far too simple to handle and put to practical use the voluminous information needed to operate a highly technical and advanced world society. The processing required would have to deal with trillions of bits of information per second, far too complex for human systems, particularly with the infusion of nanotechnology."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/technology/city-systems


The pictures on the site may seem purty to some, but to me it looks like a sterile synthetic society where every one will have to live in cities. Obviously there will have to be some kind of enforcement in order to make this dystopia work, of course they don't properly address that on the site. You've got to read between the lines.

This statement sums up their goal...sound familiar?
"If we do not maintain a balance between the population and the earth's carrying capacity we may have to move our cities not only skyward and seaward, but subterranean as well."


Derp de derp

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topic; The Venus Project: Earth's New Version of Future

I am talking about new ideas wide range of disciplines including several in philosophy, science, and engineering. I want writes and lectures extensively on my view of subjects ranging from the holistic design of sustainable cities, energy efficiency, natural resource management, cybernated technology, advanced automation, and the role of science in society, focusing on the benefits of Humanity

my course are CAD (Computer Aided Design) at college. my interesting in architectural and arcology


what are your interesting for new idea on the version of future.

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The Venus project presented by Jacque Fresco in the Zeitgeist movie is actually a eugenical plan for a ....new world order.

They follow and mirror all the same precepts of a golobalist scientific dictatorship.

"The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture. There are many people today who are concerned with the serious problems that face our modern society: unemployment, violent crime, replacement of humans by technology, over-population and a decline in the Earth's ecosystems."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/


"Lucifer is a Latin word, literally meaning "light-bearer", which in that language is used as a name for the dawn appearance of the planet Venus, heralding daylight. Use of the word in this sense is uncommon in English, in which "Day Star" or "Morning Star" are more common expressions."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer


The ultimate goal is a "Cybernated Government" Where computers are in charge of everything.

"We are fast approaching a time when human intelligence will be incapable of interacting with the rapidly occurring events in the physical world. The human mind is far too simple to handle and put to practical use the voluminous information needed to operate a highly technical and advanced world society. The processing required would have to deal with trillions of bits of information per second, far too complex for human systems, particularly with the infusion of nanotechnology."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/technology/city-systems


The pictures on the site may seem purty to some, but to me it looks like a sterile synthetic society where every one will have to live in cities. Obviously there will have to be some kind of enforcement in order to make this dystopia work, of course they don't properly address that on the site. You've got to read between the lines.

This statement sums up their goal...sound familiar?
"If we do not maintain a balance between the population and the earth's carrying capacity we may have to move our cities not only skyward and seaward, but subterranean as well."


Derp de derp


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1."FAIL
Venus Project is Agenda 21 re-worded. And that french guy is a nut case.
Fail fail fail.

2.Do you have any aces? Go fish?

3.Derp de derp?




Three replies are sarcasm and discourage. Allah forbid! I'm sorry for cause misunderstanding please forgive me i have bad grammar but I'm try improvised on writing skills. listen if you are not interesting in this topic then just go

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please no hard feeling :D

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Assalaam Alaikum borther SerenitytoSerenity,

I have also come across Jacque Fresco and his venus project. His ideas / vision is exemplary, and quite ambitious. Back in the 70's when he started making a nanme for himself, many conservatives thought he was a quack case. Fast forward a few decades and it seems that the world is gradually moving towards his vision of society.

There's a plethora of interviews with him on youtube, I saw one of him in his house - very art deco for sure, but with a futuristic, streamlines cosiness and practicality that is actually quite endearing.

Thank you for inspiring a topic that I myself have a little interest in. See you around bro.

Kindred wrote:

In particular, I'd like information on the Venus Project regarding the following (especially since from what I've read, it purports to be a complete overhaul of human society):

1)System of Government
2)Economy - Jobs, Currency, purchasing goods, etc.
3)Housing and Human Habitation
4)Energy
5)Food Production
6)Law Enforcement and Defense - Face it there'll always be someone out there who wishes to violate your freedoms and importantly will I be allowed to use self defense and legally have access to the means to do so
7)Civil Liberties



Salaam bro Kindred, nice to read you again akhi. I was wondering if the following videos may help to answer some of your questions.

Philosophy:


Housing and Habitation:


System of Government:



Economy:


Energy:


Food and agriculture (Vision of Jacque Fresco realised - short video):


Sustainability:


Economic Collapse:


On religion (he was doing so well up to this point):



Hope this helps ya.

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System of Government
Economy - Jobs, Currency, purchasing goods, etc.
Housing and Human Habitation
Energy
Food Production
Law Enforcement and Defence -
Civil Liberties
Its been my experience that when a "futurist" and or a "philosopher" concerns himself with all of the above, more than likely he is a misanthrope and his ideas of system of government usually resembles a feudalistic society where a few entitled sociopaths govern the rest of humanity, of course very carefully worded.
Food production invariably will be predicated on a system where basically all of our food will be genetically modified, which is not a secret anymore, these “futurists” routinely advocate for genetically modified garbage ostensibly to “feed the starving and the destitute”, in reality of course there are enough resources to feed all of us without resorting to genetically modified organisms.
I don’t find the concept of a philosopher(at least current ones) or a futurist defining humanities future very welcoming.
My diatribe of course is based on my general opinion of “futurists”, I have yet to see his videos.


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"futurists" pfft... So you basically ranted off about your gripe regarding them, when you don't even know who Jacque Fresco is? ... (turbo eyeroll) ... right!!!

Now, I don't agree with some of the crap that he spews, but the rest is pretty much spot on. Watch his videos and then come back to make a comment, otherwise - your post is ahem... wasted.

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Turbo eye roll…very mature, the hallmark of a erudite mind. Anyways, you could simply have told me that I should watch his videos and then make a comment without the added textual melodrama, even then your reply would be misdirected and pointless. My general rant was about western scholars of thought and knowledge who busy themselves defining the course of human affairs--population control, wars, food production, etc. I believe a very famous futurist who even influenced Charles Darwin and indirectly formed social Darwinism went by the name of Thomas Malthus. Again western philosophers, and futurists seem to have a proclivity for endorsing one brand of social Darwinism or another, and that was my entire point. But sure, I will watch his videos.


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Having watched a few of the videos, yes I admit some of the ideas presented seem rather idealistic and practical at the same time, and for the benefit of humanity in general. However, all this reminds me of the “by the year 2000 we will live like the jetsons” hype of the decades past (no I am not that old, I grew up in the 90s) , a lush utopia of magnificent buildings where everything is designed with YOU in mind. I will put my futurist hat on now and say that these ideas will simply not come to fruition (the Islamic utopia during the time of Mahdi notwithstanding). Practical ideas which serve humanity at large, does not destroy and pollute the planet rarely make it out of the realm of concepts, which is sad but absolutely expected as the machinery which drives the world simply isn’t amenable to such ideas. I will have to watch the video on language some other time in its entirety, the first few minutes truly were some of the silliest things i have heard in my life, but having not watched all of it i wont express further opinion on it.


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Freedom = The right to choose.

Tyranny = Forced beliefs or lifestyles.

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ApocalypticBass wrote:
... but having not watched all of it i wont express further opinion on it.


You seemed to have expressed enough already. More food for thought - just take a look at how society is being shaped into this vision that Jacque Fresco propagated. It's fairly evident that this idealistic vision is not really a solution, but more of an idea that works in ideal society. Either way, I don't believe in the idea of an ideal society - at least not til the golden age is revived again. But hey, you can't deny that the vision is already a reality in some places of the world.

Enjoy the videos, watch the full length documentaries too.

I found this recently:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/smart ... 6227264552

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FORGET using passwords to log on to your computer, needing touch screens to navigate on your smartphone or paying expensive energy bills; in the future your daily activities will create all the energy you need to power your house, biometrics will unlock your devices, and your mind will be capable of controlling them.

It’s a bold prediction, but IBM expects such technologies will be in people’s hands in as soon as five years' time.

The futuristic trends are part of IBM’s sixth annual "Five in Five" technology forecast of innovations it believes will change the way people live, work and play over the next five years.

Today people are struggling to afford the rising costs of energy while the heat and energy they produce as they go about their everyday lives goes wasted. IBM predicts that eco-friendly people power - power generated by walking, jogging, cycling, your computer getting hot or the water flowing through your pipes - will be captured and harnessed to power our households.

"Advances in renewable energy technology will allow individuals to collect this kinetic energy, which now goes to waste, and use it to help power our homes, workplaces and cities," explains IBM.

Humans and their unique biological makeup will also be the key to solving another everyday annoyance: passwords.

IBM suggests, "[y]ou will no longer need to create, track or remember multiple passwords for various log-ins. Imagine you will be able to walk up to an ATM machine to securely withdraw money by simply speaking your name or looking into a tiny sensor that can recognize the unique patterns in the retina of your eye. Or by doing the same, you can check your account balance on your mobile phone or tablet."

Google already implements such a feature on the latest version of its mobile operating system, Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. The internet giant enables Galaxy Nexus owners to unlock their phones simply by looking at it thanks to the company’s Face Unlock technology.

Of all the technological predictions, mind reading might appear to be the most far-fetched, but numerous companies and organizations including NeuroSky, Neurowear, Interaxon, and the VERE project are already using advanced sensors to translate electrical brain activity and facial expressions into computer commands.
"IBM scientists are researching how to link your brain to your devices, such as a computer or a smartphone. If you just need to think about calling someone, it happens. Or you can control the cursor on a computer screen just by thinking about where you want to move it," says IBM.

Such technology will be found within the gaming and entertainment industries within five years, predicts IBM.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/technology/smart ... z1i8mE7L9e


Anyone connect any dots yet? Jacque Fresco would be jumping up n down and saying "I told you so" I bet

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Scimitar wrote:
ApocalypticBass wrote:
... but having not watched all of it i wont express further opinion on it.


You seemed to have expressed enough already. More food for thought - just take a look at how society is being shaped into this vision that Jacque Fresco propagated. It's fairly evident that this idealistic vision is not really a solution, but more of an idea that works in ideal society. Either way, I don't believe in the idea of an ideal society - at least not til the golden age is revived again. But hey, you can't deny that the vision is already a reality in some places of the world.

Enjoy the videos, watch the full length documentaries too.

I found this recently:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/smart ... 6227264552

Quote:
FORGET using passwords to log on to your computer, needing touch screens to navigate on your smartphone or paying expensive energy bills; in the future your daily activities will create all the energy you need to power your house, biometrics will unlock your devices, and your mind will be capable of controlling them.

It’s a bold prediction, but IBM expects such technologies will be in people’s hands in as soon as five years' time.

The futuristic trends are part of IBM’s sixth annual "Five in Five" technology forecast of innovations it believes will change the way people live, work and play over the next five years.

Today people are struggling to afford the rising costs of energy while the heat and energy they produce as they go about their everyday lives goes wasted. IBM predicts that eco-friendly people power - power generated by walking, jogging, cycling, your computer getting hot or the water flowing through your pipes - will be captured and harnessed to power our households.

"Advances in renewable energy technology will allow individuals to collect this kinetic energy, which now goes to waste, and use it to help power our homes, workplaces and cities," explains IBM.

Humans and their unique biological makeup will also be the key to solving another everyday annoyance: passwords.

IBM suggests, "[y]ou will no longer need to create, track or remember multiple passwords for various log-ins. Imagine you will be able to walk up to an ATM machine to securely withdraw money by simply speaking your name or looking into a tiny sensor that can recognize the unique patterns in the retina of your eye. Or by doing the same, you can check your account balance on your mobile phone or tablet."

Google already implements such a feature on the latest version of its mobile operating system, Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. The internet giant enables Galaxy Nexus owners to unlock their phones simply by looking at it thanks to the company’s Face Unlock technology.

Of all the technological predictions, mind reading might appear to be the most far-fetched, but numerous companies and organizations including NeuroSky, Neurowear, Interaxon, and the VERE project are already using advanced sensors to translate electrical brain activity and facial expressions into computer commands.
"IBM scientists are researching how to link your brain to your devices, such as a computer or a smartphone. If you just need to think about calling someone, it happens. Or you can control the cursor on a computer screen just by thinking about where you want to move it," says IBM.

Such technology will be found within the gaming and entertainment industries within five years, predicts IBM.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/technology/smart ... z1i8mE7L9e


Anyone connect any dots yet? Jacque Fresco would be jumping up n down and saying "I told you so" I bet

Scimi


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im back, hello to everyone.

:clap: Scimi! thank for backing me up. Well, I think WUP users are not care what I want to explain what is best for them, ALLAH swt know best

few months ago, I sought to leave WUP because I dont like there are some bunch cult of PARANOID UFO/WORLD WAR 3/ARMAGEDDON/MIND CONTROL FREAKS/SHOUT "THIS IS MY FREEDOM YOU TAKE MY RIGHTS AWAY THEN LET'S STRIKE NOWWW!!!" :lol:

I don't want any stupid conversation I don't mean everyone for real but they just not "understand", right? well I want is to serious research and good conversion may cause to the point of interesting information with good discussion.

I will check how was my posts going on and soon I will post with more information come, take care :insha:


for you, Master Scimi!
Cool concept, "Scimitar"

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