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Indeed. The deception is deep, and trying to clarify if he is a human or something else is a hair splitting process.

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Masih Ad-dajjal is a man. End of.

It's quite pitiful to see grown men here, so blinded by their own one-eyed perspective..it doesn't even occur to them that the Jews would only accept a messiah who is from the bloodline of David and one of them...to fulfill Deuteronomy 18:18.

There is not a single hadith where the Prophet SAW himself has called dajjal, a jinn.

And I saw behind him a man with intensely curly hair, blind of right eye. Amongst the persons I have ever seen Ibn Qatan has the greatest resemblance with him. He was making a circuit around the Ka'bah by placing both his hands on the shoulders of two persons. I said: Who is he? They said; It is al-Masih al-dajjal. (Book #001, Hadith #0324)



(10) Narrated Fatimah, daughter of Qays: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) once delayed the congregational night prayer. He came out and said: The talk of Tamim ad-Dari detained me. He transmitted it to me from a man who was on of of the islands of the sea. All of a sudden he found a woman who was trailing her hair. He asked: Who are you? She said: I am the Jassasah. Go to that castle. So I came to it and found a man who was trailing his hair, chained in iron collars, and leaping between Heaven and Earth. I asked: Who are you? He replied: I am the dajjal (Antichrist). Has the Prophet of the unlettered people come forth now? I replied: Yes. He said: Have they obeyed him or disobeyed him? I said: No, they have obeyed him. He said: That is better for them. (Book #37, Hadith #4311)

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LeMaghrebin wrote:
I think about the hadith 'every prophet warned his ppl about dajjal...' this is not a human being. Appearing as a human being doesnt mean it is human being. This is masonic god and jews were taken for a ride.

To claim that he is a messiah he must appear as a man and since jews are waiting for him he will appear as a jew.

I read about Sabbatai Zevi


There's a difference between dajjal and masih ad-dajjal.

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whats the difference? Dajjal is Al massih dajjal as far as I know


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LeMaghrebin wrote:
whats the difference? Dajjal is Al massih dajjal as far as I know


Look at the meanings.

Masih Ad-dajjal=The false messiah.
Dajjal itself means deception, illusion, false etc. Every Prophet warned their people of dajjal, right? They obviously didn't talk about Masih ad-dajjal because the concept of messiah originated from the jewish religion and even then it developed over 1000 years.

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In one hadith Rassoul 'pbuh' said 'since Adam 'AS' set foot on earth there is no worse trials than the trials of Dajjal. In another hadith he recommanded to us to say after every prayer before finishing tahayate,to say oh Allah i see refuge from punishmend of the grave, punishment of hellfire, trials of death and evil trials of Al massih Dajjal

Clearly in these two hadiths dajjal was mentioned and almassih dajjal was mentioned and both refer to same being. Correct me if I am wrong.

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‘When any one of you says Tashahhud, let him seek refuge with Allaah from four things, and say: “Allaahumma inni a’oodhi bika min ‘adhaab jahannam wa min ‘adhaab al-qabri wa min fitnat il-mahyaa wa’l-mamaat wa min sharri fitnat al-maseeh al-dajjaal (O Allaah, I seek refuge with You from the torment of Hell, from the torment of the grave, from the trials of life and death, and from the evil of the fitnah of massih Dajjaal).”’” (Narrated by Muslim, no. 924)



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‘From the time of the creation of Adam until the Hour begins, there will never be a bigger fitnah than the fitnah of the Dajjaal.’” (Narrated by Muslim, 5239).


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You gotta understand bro, that according to some scholars and seekers of knowledge - dajjal is not just the man who is reputed to be the awaited messiah of the Zions, but also the social and cultural phenomenon as well as an invisible force.

Ahmad Thomson in his book "Dajjal the King who has no clothes" (TaHa Publishers 1986) opens the book with the following lines:

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There are three aspects of Dajjal. There is Dajjal the individual. There is Dajjal the worldwide social and cultural phenomenon. There is Dajjal as an unseen force.


Dajjal the individual explains itself really. Dajjal the worldwide social and cultural phenomenon is also self expplanatory here... but when he mentions Dajjal as an unseen force - he refers to the Jinn who are also a part of dajjals army. They too (the evil jinn) await the dajjals arrival and are in cahoots with the masonic ideal working in tandem with magicians to bring about oppressive and depressive regimes into play - whether that be on a social or cultural basis, or an individual one...

...Hence, the dua of the Prophet pbuh. We need to protect ourselves, by fully submitting to Allah.

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Yes bro, I do believe Jinn play big role. I do believe the modern technology is Jinn work. It serves Dajjal.
Jinn played role in ancient history babylon and the time of pharaeen inEgypt and same today in the modern world


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Indeed. I too believe that these technologies came about way too conveniently quick for humans developing technologies alone...

Jinns know these technologies, they work them all the time. And they pass them off to humans who are in cahoots with them, namely the masonic elites who think they determine the direction the world is taking. Even technology is a fitna. Use it wisely or abuse it - we all have to answer for it on that day HE accounts all HE has made.

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LeMaghrebin wrote:
In one hadith Rassoul 'pbuh' said 'since Adam 'AS' set foot on earth there is no worse trials than the trials of Dajjal. In another hadith he recommanded to us to say after every prayer before finishing tahayate,to say oh Allah i see refuge from punishmend of the grave, punishment of hellfire, trials of death and evil trials of Al massih Dajjal

Clearly in these two hadiths dajjal was mentioned and almassih dajjal was mentioned and both refer to same being. Correct me if I am wrong.

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‘When any one of you says Tashahhud, let him seek refuge with Allaah from four things, and say: “Allaahumma inni a’oodhi bika min ‘adhaab jahannam wa min ‘adhaab al-qabri wa min fitnat il-mahyaa wa’l-mamaat wa min sharri fitnat al-maseeh al-dajjaal (O Allaah, I seek refuge with You from the torment of Hell, from the torment of the grave, from the trials of life and death, and from the evil of the fitnah of massih Dajjaal).”’” (Narrated by Muslim, no. 924)



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‘From the time of the creation of Adam until the Hour begins, there will never be a bigger fitnah than the fitnah of the Dajjaal.’” (Narrated by Muslim, 5239).


you missed my point entirely.......for the muslims the only 'dajjal' relevant to us is the masih ad-dajjal so he is the one the Prophet SAW spoke of, referring to him sometimes as 'dajjal'.

I am talking about the concept of dajjal itself, it is universal and existed long before the messianic prophecies. You guys here seem to think prophets like Noah were warning their people of masih ad-dajjal. In order for that to be true there would need to be a messianic figure already.....there wasn't.




Also, the 'Unseen force' doesn't refer to jinns. Especially since dajjal will be accompanied by jinns who will resemble angels and they will be visible to everyone (ie as his proof)...hardly unseen. I believe it is a giant thought form that's already in force and is shaped by the thoughts of all of humans......in the bible it's called the 'image of the beast'. Think of it as a reflection of human consciousness at its worst.

Now how do thought forms continue living? they feed off the energy of humans and since we're talking about a very evil thought form, it feeds off hatred, war, lust etc. So we become influenced by it in order to strengthen it....it's en endless cycle and the world gets worse, we get weaker etc. Iblees doesnt need to feed off our energy.

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molvicorleone wrote:

you missed my point entirely.......for the muslims the only 'dajjal' relevant to us is the masih ad-dajjal so he is the one the Prophet SAW spoke of, referring to him sometimes as 'dajjal'.


Actually, no. This is not as simple as you make it out to be. We should in no way think that dajjal only refers to the masi ud dajjal - that is a grave injustice to our understanding. The word dajjal has its roots in the idea of deception.Just take a look at the onslaught of godless ideals propagated in the west, the war agains t Islam, etc - and you can see the deception is already here, has been for ... well ... Heck. You get it. Many Muslims have already fallen prey to this godless system and though they think they are Muslims, they have in essence, compromised their Islam. They got deceived, and they didn't even care...

molviecorleone wrote:
I am talking about the concept of dajjal itself, it is universal and existed long before the messianic prophecies. You guys here seem to think prophets like Noah were warning their people of masih ad-dajjal. In order for that to be true there would need to be a messianic figure already.....there wasn't.


Actually, no - we don't. But to carry on...

molviecorleone wrote:
Also, the 'Unseen force' doesn't refer to jinns. Especially since dajjal will be accompanied by jinns who will resemble angels and they will be visible to everyone (ie as his proof)...hardly unseen. I believe it is a giant thought form that's already in force and is shaped by the thoughts of all of humans......in the bible it's called the 'image of the beast'. Think of it as a reflection of human consciousness at its worst.


I mean, sure genius, why not just confine the analogy to just that? eh? lol... How many different examples do you want?

These Jinn are invisible, and they are our enemies (most of them - there is aminority that are Muslim and they remain distant from humanity as is advised for them), and they are also the army of dajjal, patiently waiting his arrival so they can join him in his effort to totally make man bow to his knees - ya gets? but in the mean time? they plague humanity from where we see them not.

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Now how do thought forms continue living? they feed off the energy of humans and since we're talking about a very evil thought form, it feeds off hatred, war, lust etc. So we become influenced by it in order to strengthen it....it's en endless cycle and the world gets worse, we get weaker etc. Iblees doesnt need to feed off our energy.


I think you are missing the point actually. And the above quoted paragraph just proves it. No need ot provide further comment.

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molvicorleone wrote:
LeMaghrebin wrote:
In one hadith Rassoul 'pbuh' said 'since Adam 'AS' set foot on earth there is no worse trials than the trials of Dajjal. In another hadith he recommanded to us to say after every prayer before finishing tahayate,to say oh Allah i see refuge from punishmend of the grave, punishment of hellfire, trials of death and evil trials of Al massih Dajjal

Clearly in these two hadiths dajjal was mentioned and almassih dajjal was mentioned and both refer to same being. Correct me if I am wrong.

Quote:
‘When any one of you says Tashahhud, let him seek refuge with Allaah from four things, and say: “Allaahumma inni a’oodhi bika min ‘adhaab jahannam wa min ‘adhaab al-qabri wa min fitnat il-mahyaa wa’l-mamaat wa min sharri fitnat al-maseeh al-dajjaal (O Allaah, I seek refuge with You from the torment of Hell, from the torment of the grave, from the trials of life and death, and from the evil of the fitnah of massih Dajjaal).”’” (Narrated by Muslim, no. 924)



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‘From the time of the creation of Adam until the Hour begins, there will never be a bigger fitnah than the fitnah of the Dajjaal.’” (Narrated by Muslim, 5239).


you missed my point entirely.......for the muslims the only 'dajjal' relevant to us is the masih ad-dajjal so he is the one the Prophet SAW spoke of, referring to him sometimes as 'dajjal'.

I am talking about the concept of dajjal itself, it is universal and existed long before the messianic prophecies. You guys here seem to think prophets like Noah were warning their people of masih ad-dajjal. In order for that to be true there would need to be a messianic figure already.....there wasn't.




Also, the 'Unseen force' doesn't refer to jinns. Especially since dajjal will be accompanied by jinns who will resemble angels and they will be visible to everyone (ie as his proof)...hardly unseen. I believe it is a giant thought form that's already in force and is shaped by the thoughts of all of humans......in the bible it's called the 'image of the beast'. Think of it as a reflection of human consciousness at its worst.

Now how do thought forms continue living? they feed off the energy of humans and since we're talking about a very evil thought form, it feeds off hatred, war, lust etc. So we become influenced by it in order to strengthen it....it's en endless cycle and the world gets worse, we get weaker etc. Iblees doesnt need to feed off our energy.

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I agree with molvicorlione. :idea: :geek: :thumbup:

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