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He may be not but as long he is getting controlled... ;)

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OH MY GOD!!! WHAT A BRAINWASHED CHILD!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

seriously !!!


She's not brainwahsed bro BlackMatrix... It may seem that way, but she's only 13 or 14 yrs of age. And I can understand where she is coming from. Remeber this bro, waking up to the reality of this world at that age, and trying to make sense of it, is not an easy thing to do - especially when we haven't lived enough to understand world mechanics, ageda, global economics etc etc etc... sh'es on a path, let her be.

Sis Given Up - When I was a teen, I also saw religion as a bit of a bad thing. And actually felt the way she did regarding the 3 Abrahamic faiths. I judged the religions... and the yardstick I used to measure them up against eachother - were the people of the religions. And truth be told, I know what you mean sister.

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It is not Islam itself per se that is wrong, or bad, or a cause for conflict, No. What does create problems regionally - especially in the Middle East, and Syria is a prime example of this - is the fact that tribal and cultural influences tend to try and establish themselves as a social practice - often this culture confusion tends to lead to friction between tribal groups. And those affluent tribal leaders who can make themselves heard, often resort to riling up the people on a wing and a promise of freedom... but with every tribal leader promising the same thing - it's more a case of two many cooks, not enough chefs... and that, makes for one messy kitchen. Hell's kitchen.

So I do understand what sister Given Up is trying to say, and actually sympathise with her opinion on this specific matter...

As for Assad? Allah knows best. All I know is, I can't trust any leader, and I can't trust any news crew, or any News broadcaster...

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So what should we do???As syrians... Let me guess, we drop the present regime.. Then???
Who will rule us then?? Nobody!!! We'll stay in a mess and will be Libya all over again..
Israel takes the chance and starts the war against us and if it didn't .. if it uses another form of occupation, Nato, America.. etc
Third solution is that we get ruled by a traitor, an American dos that declares his allegiance to israel and holds an Armistice with Israel and there we will deserve to be called "Pathetic Arabs"... That's what you want, well brother that ain't gonna happen...


1. Stop immediately killing civillians. (especially children and womans)
2. to bring Asad to the gallows. He had sheed enough innocent blood. He has lost all credits and he will hold accountable for this.
sooner or later.

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More Syria flow as Turkey eyes UN help

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Turkey has raised the alarm over the accelerating influx of Syrian refugees over its borders, urging the United Nations and the international community to step in if the trend continues.

Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu made an urgent telephone call to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on April 6 to implore the international body to become more active on the issue. Davutoğlu told Ban that Syrian military activity near the border with Turkey had increased and added that roughly 2,500 Syrians had crossed into Turkey in the last 24 hours, the largest one-day total so far.

The minister also said U.N. officials could come to observe the developments from the Turkish side of the border, a Turkish diplomat told the Hürriyet Daily News, adding that Syrian security forces, backed by helicopters, were carrying out operations in regions near Turkey. “I told Ban we expect an immediate initiative and an end to the clashes,” Davutoğlu told reporters on April 6. Turkey said there were now 23,835 Syrian refugees on its territory.


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Ankara “is seriously concerned” about the escalation of the crackdown against the Syrian opposition following initial “cautious optimism” for U.N.-Arab League envoy Kofi Annan’s plan, Davutoğlu said.

As the Syrian administration’s repression continues, people are trying to escape to neighboring countries, Davutoğlu said, noting that the situation was putting pressure on Turkey. Turkey has offered to shelter Syrian refugees since it cannot remain indifferent to their tragedy, he said. “The international community should also take a clear position on these refugees.” The Turkish Red Crescent, meanwhile, said it was ready to bring humanitarian aid into Syria if such an international call is made. The Turkish Red Crescent’s chairman, Ahmet Lütfi Akar, said his organization was unable to open a humanitarian aid corridor under its own initiative. “In the event that the U.N. or countries taking joint action with Turkey decide to open an aid corridor, the Turkish Red Crescent can enter Syria and extend humanitarian aid,” Akar told Anatolia news agency April 6.

A foreign intervention in Syria would be “wrong,” and the U.S., the EU and the U.N. should join forces to stop the bloodshed and force a political transition in Syria, Deputy Prime Minister Bülent Arınç said April 6. Turkey’s main opposition party has also warned the government about its role in the Syrian crisis.

Republican People’s Party (CHP) deputy chair Faruk Loğoğlu said April 6 that the government’s policies on Syria and Iran were dragging Turkey “not only into isolation in the region but also into a future of tension.”


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given up wrote:


So what should we do???As syrians... Let me guess, we drop the present regime.. Then???
Who will rule us then?? Nobody!!! We'll stay in a mess and will be Libya all over again..
Israel takes the chance and starts the war against us and if it didn't .. if it uses another form of occupation, Nato, America.. etc
Third solution is that we get ruled by a traitor, an American dos that declares his allegiance to israel and holds an Armistice with Israel and there we will deserve to be called "Pathetic Arabs"... That's what you want, well brother that ain't gonna happen...


1. Stop immediately killing civillians. (especially children and womans)
2. to bring Asad to the gallows. He had sheed enough innocent blood. He has lost all credits and he will hold accountable for this.
sooner or later.


You may be aware at this juncture, any power vacuum in Sham (Syria) will only bring a much worse Arab tyrant as per hadith shareef? One having traits of the Sufyani? Some say 'Sufyani' is a Shia thing; fine, how about the Arab tyrant coming out of Damascus having relations to BANI KALB? [semantics aside, same person]


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When the men returned from Tabuk they had said amongst themselves
that their days of fighting were now at an end; and this idea was so
strengthened by the coming of the various delegations, which continued
throughout the tenth year, that many of the believers set about selling their
arms and their armour. But when the Prophet heard of this he forbade
them to do so, saying: "A body of my people will not cease to fight for the
truth until the coming forth of the Antichrist.
" He also said: "If ye knew
that which I know, ye would laugh little and weep much" and "No time
cometh upon you but is followed by a worse."



And at-Tabarani in al-Awsat, Nu'aym and Ibn 'Asakir narrated from 'Ali ibn Abi Talib [radhiyallahu
'anhu] that the Messenger of Allah [sallallahu 'alayhi wa-sallam] said:
"There will be at the end of time a trial that will sort out men as gold is sorted out from metal. So do not
revile the people of ash-Sham, but revile their evil ones, for among them are al-Abdal.
A flood is about to
be released upon the people of ash-Sham that will split their unity, so that even if foxes attacked them they
would defeat them. At that time, a man from my household will come out with three banners. The one who
estimates highly will say: They are fifteen thousand. And the one who estimates lower will say: They are
twelve thousand. Their sign will be: "Amit, amit [kill, kill]." They will meet in battle seven banners, and
under each of those banners shall be a man seeking the kingdom. Allah will kill all of them, and restore to
the Muslims their unity and bounty, and their far ones and near ones."



And Nu'aym ibn Hammad and al-Hakim narrated from 'Ali ibn Abi Talib [radhiyallahu 'anhu] that he
said:
"There will be a trial in which men will be sorted out as gold is sorted out from metal. So do not revile the
people of ash-Sham, but revile their oppressors, for among them are al-Abdal.
Allah shall send upon them a
flood from the sky that will drown them, so that even if foxes attacked them they would defeat them. Then,
at that time, Allah will send a man from the descendents of the Messenger [sallallahu 'alayhi wa-sallam]
among at least twelve thousand, and at most fifteen thousand, their sign or their mark being: "Amit, amit
[kill, kill]", under three banners. They will fight a people under seven banners, and there will be no leader
of any of those banners except that he desires the kingdom. So they will fight and be defeated, and then the
Hashimi will be victorious, and Allah will restore to the people their unity and their bounty, and they will
remain like that until the emergence of the Dajjal."

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Al-assad isn't a pro-US/israeli dictator thats why the US wants to take him down. To replace him with even worse...

Look how the situation is in libya and iraq...

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asralfarhi wrote:
You may be aware at this juncture, any power vacuum in Sham (Syria) will only bring a much worse Arab tyrant as per hadith shareef? One having traits of the Sufyani? Some say 'Sufyani' is a Shia thing; fine, how about the Arab tyrant coming out of Damascus having relations to BANI KALB? [semantics aside, same person]


Brother your reminder did make me worried and hesitate for a moment. I reminded myself about Sh. Yaqoubi's statement about the situation getting worse but Sharia allowing Assads overthrow. I believe people can easily take a differing position on this issue and still be valid.

My message to the Syrian people. If they wish to overthrow their oppressor, then they should be prepared to rise up and overthrow any eventual worse successor, be that the Sufyani or otherwise.

Moving on.

It was while the forum was down that Sh. Yaqoubi is said to have issued a fatwa encouraging taking up arms against the regime. One sentence therein echoes my point earlier about how bad a situation has to get before we put other considerations (such as the bigger picture) to one side.

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The issue has reached such limits that remaining silent and not taking action has become impermissible.


Here is the 'Fatwa'.

The Syrian Shaykh, Muhammad Abu’l Huda al Ya’qoubi has issued a fatwa in which he calls the people to uptake arms and volunteer in the Syrian Free Army. He also appealed to the peoples of Damascus and Aleppo to join the revolution and to the preachers that they declare, in their coming Friday sermons, a general call to arms & revolution and that they establish absent funeral prayers.

Furthermore he urged diplomats and politicians to leave their governmental positions. Shaykh Muhammad al Yaqoubi was a teacher at the Grand Umayyad Mosque. He was removed from his position as preacher and prohibited from teaching as a result of his supporting the revolution from its initiation. After prosecution he was forced to leave the country. Thereafter he issued his famous edict on the programme Shari’a & Life, regarding the overthrowing of the present government. The following is the text of the edict:

Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi – Issues Fatwa to take up arms against Assad

O people of Syria! The government commits new massacres daily in Homs and other besieged cities. The issue has reached such limits that remaining silent and not taking action has become impermissible. Due to this, we issue this edict based on the rulings related to helping the weak, forbidding aid to killers and the rights of people to defend their lives, family and wealth. This edict necessitates the uptake of arms in order to rid these criminals of their killings and save the lives of innocent men, women, children and the elderly in Homs, Zabadani, Ghouta, Deir Al Zour, Lattakia, the rural regions of Aleppo and all the cities of Syria. People have been killed, houses bombed by Braszmat missiles and executions conducted by firing squads. Hence this edict has been given:

Firstly, it is obligatory upon all the officers and soldiers of the government army to defy their senior commanders.

Secondly, it is necessary for the reserves to join the Free Army in order to defend the people and protect their dignities and honour. Additionally, it is not permissible for any one to join the government army. The people must, according to their abilities, provide amenities, support, shelter, and aid to the personnel of the Free Army.

Thirdly, business people and other who are able to do so must collect monetary funds, medicines and food to aid the effected regions. We must also host those who have been displaced in our homes for they are our brothers and honour.

Fourthly, the scholars and preachers must call to the revolution and general call to arms during the Friday sermons. Moreover, they must establish the absent funeral prayer for the martyrs.

Fifthly, we call the people of Damascus and Aleppo to join the revolution and descend upon the squares and streets. We urge the rural population to move to the cities in order to start the revolution in them.

Sixthly, we urge the staff, politicians and honourable diplomats to leave the criminal government.

The issue is not of groups or terrorism; rather it is an issue of an afflicted people because it is a rebellion against injustice and slavery to oppressive governments. Regardless of how long, the days of the regime are numbered. The principles of faith, honour, pride, chivalry, magnanimity urge you all to aid your brothers. Soon every one of us will stand in front of the Best of Judges; on that day you will face the answer. Verily, assisting the inflicted & affected, defending the cities & neighbourhoods, and deterring the tyranny of the governmental henchmen, is compulsory in the religion and an act of worship which draws one closer to the Lord of the Worlds. A man entered paradise for watering a dog, whilst a woman entered the Hellfire for confining a cat. Then what about the person who is killed, and the one who is prevented from food or medicine? They are in much dire need of help.

The path to paradise and the door to Allah’s pleasure has been opened for you through the means of helping the grieved, safeguarding the dignity of freedom, saving the lives of children and treating the wounded. Allah continues to help His slave whilst the slave continues to help his brother. The tyrants have circles around them and soon the oppressors shall know to which end they will be overthrown.


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What people don't understand is that Syria is already on the marker for 3 decades, its all about full spectrum dominance, for israel. Syria has not really submitted to USA even though it has rothchild banks and its currency is Riba (Every country is using Riba).

This is all to push ''democracy'' in the middle east my dear brothers and sisters. Syria don't shows interests in it, so yes its current regime needs to be toppled and a israel-usa backed regime will come in charge.

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Robin_B wrote:
Al-assad isn't a pro-US/israeli dictator thats why the US wants to take him down. To replace him with even worse...

Look how the situation is in libya and iraq...


Yes my brother, he isn't pro US/Israel, he's pro Iran...

But still he's ruling with opression, he murdered masses of muslims, he's ruling by the law which contradicts the law of Allah SWT and he deserve to die and very fast inshaAllah. And only then he's going to get what he deserved.

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Charas wrote:
Robin_B wrote:
Al-assad isn't a pro-US/israeli dictator thats why the US wants to take him down. To replace him with even worse...

Look how the situation is in libya and iraq...


Yes my brother, he isn't pro US/Israel, he's pro Iran...

But still he's ruling with opression, he murdered masses of muslims, he's ruling by the law which contradicts the law of Allah SWT and he deserve to die and very fast inshaAllah. And only then he's going to get what he deserved.



Insha'Allah bro, al-assad has his own agenda, he still befriends with Russia, russia has killed many afghans and chechens, and supported the serbs in yugoslavian war. Every Leader and government deserves to be overthrown today, the one i hate the most is house of Saud, how could they release so much fitnah in the land where 70 prophets (peace be upon them) have walked upon.

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Charas wrote:
Robin_B wrote:
Al-assad isn't a pro-US/israeli dictator thats why the US wants to take him down. To replace him with even worse...

Look how the situation is in libya and iraq...


Yes my brother, he isn't pro US/Israel, he's pro Iran...

But still he's ruling with opression, he murdered masses of muslims, he's ruling by the law which contradicts the law of Allah SWT and he deserve to die and very fast inshaAllah. And only then he's going to get what he deserved.



Insha'Allah bro, al-assad has his own agenda, he still befriends with Russia, russia has killed many afghans and chechens, and supported the serbs in yugoslavian war. Every Leader and government deserves to be overthrown today, the one i hate the most is house of Saud, how could they release so much fitnah in the land where 70 prophets (peace be upon them) have walked upon.


Incase of Syria, its all about full spectrum dominance, security for israel. I don't trust the free syrian army, Reasons? How could they have so much support from the west and do have western weapons? Its pretty clear.

Allah is the best of planners.

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I just viewed this form and honestly it quit a lot for me to read through.so could some one sum it uo plz. :allahuak3:

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Robin_B wrote:
Incase of Syria, its all about full spectrum dominance, security for israel. I don't trust the free syrian army, Reasons? How could they have so much support from the west and do have western weapons? Its pretty clear.
Allah is the best of planners.


Ofc my brother that western alliance will do it's best to use turn every situation into their profit, but like you said Allah is the best of all planners.

I don't trust media at all, but I do trust my brothers, and from what I heard many mujahideen joined Syrian rebels from many sourrounding countries, even from KSA.

However Iran sent their troops to help Assad.

Know one thing brother - if Syria was a problem to Israel they would got rid of her.

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The only one here who actually said something useful is asralfarhi, stop day dreaming, Assad may be "vile" in your eyes, but hes a solid leader. All the Syrians I know love Assad. What are you guys going to say next, that HezbAllah is a mossad association ? I realise what im saying may be a bit harsh, but please learn to read between the lines.

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Bensh is the name of a town in the province of Edlib, which was turned into a city with the help of Al-Jazeera. Armed gangs in it are occupying houses, blackmailing the citizens and carrying out attacks against public facilities and private property. In the meantime, the Syrian Arab army and the security forces are trying to disband these gangs which are being described by the media outlets as powers organizing demonstrations and protests. These media outlets have no problem falsifying the facts and turning the attacks of the gangs against the security forces into clashes between demonstrators and the alleged oppression machine.


http://www.champress.net/index.php?q=en ... iew/103834

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the opposition movements that are implicated in the foreign plan are turning towards terrorism while facing a new and serious predicament, i.e. the presence of an overwhelming popular majority that is supporting the state, its president and army.


http://www.champress.net/index.php?q=en ... iew/105176

http://www.conspiracy.co/forums/main-wa ... 012-a.html

http://www.islamicinvitationturkey.com/ ... -producer/

http://www.islamicinvitationturkey.com/ ... -on-syria/


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Charas wrote:
Robin_B wrote:
Incase of Syria, its all about full spectrum dominance, security for israel. I don't trust the free syrian army, Reasons? How could they have so much support from the west and do have western weapons? Its pretty clear.
Allah is the best of planners.


Ofc my brother that western alliance will do it's best to use turn every situation into their profit, but like you said Allah is the best of all planners.

I don't trust media at all, but I do trust my brothers, and from what I heard many mujahideen joined Syrian rebels from many sourrounding countries, even from KSA.

However Iran sent their troops to help Assad.

Know one thing brother - if Syria was a problem to Israel they would got rid of her.



Syria is already their target for 3 decades and you should know that they can't attack it suddenly, like they did with iraq.

Syria has a very strong army with modern russian equipment. Also you should realize that russia has a base in the port town of tartus.Not that it will change anything...russia is a good friend of israel. If they attack Syria it needs massive planning. And the risk will be that Iran falls in conflict also.. Syria is also on the route for weapons which will end up in the in the hands of hezbollah and hamas. If you think about this fact then you will know why they want regime change. Possible even a worse dictator, one who kisses america's butt, or not. Allahu Alim.

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The only one here who actually said something useful is asralfarhi, stop day dreaming, Assad may be "vile" in your eyes, but hes a solid leader. All the Syrians I know love Assad. What are you guys going to say next, that HezbAllah is a mossad association ? I realise what im saying may be a bit harsh, but please learn to read between the lines.


I don't trust anyone, not al-assad and not ahmedinejad. Allah is the best of planners, and hopefully the syrians will wake up to the foreign influence but also to the their tyrannic government. Its not about the rule with iron fist, there are many poor syrians and al-assad doesn't care about them either. My eyes are on yemen now ATM you don't want to know what is happening there right now..

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Syria has a very strong army with modern russian equipment. Also you should realize that russia has a base in the port town of tartus.Not that it will change anything...russia is a good friend of israel. If they attack Syria it needs massive planning. And the risk will be that Iran falls in conflict also.. Syria is also on the route for weapons which will end up in the in the hands of hezbollah and hamas. If you think about this fact then you will know why they want regime change. Possible even a worse dictator, one who kisses america's butt, or not. Allahu Alim.


One sahih brother told me about the pious girl who was kidnapped and sent back home few weeks later naked in pieces in plastic bags.
Let me tell you one thing - this dog Assad deserves to die 1000 time in worst pains even if they set up Dajjal himself to be new leader of Syria after him.

And secondly, where we both agree I guess - they make the plans but Allah SWT is the best of all planners. He will turn their plans against them and give us victory inshaAllah where kuffar does not expect us.

Let me remind you about the part of authentic hadeeth from [Musnad Imam Ahmad]:

"Then there will be oppressive rule which will last as long as Allah wants. Then there will be rightly guided Khilafah according to the ways of the Prophethood."


Not Assad, not zionists, not USA, not Ahmedinejad nor Al-Saud, but as long as Allah wills.

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I feel pity for you arguing about something you're not aware of, the things happening currently are not as they seem like...
Neither you nor I even know what's the secret behind it all...
But we all agree.. Allah is the best of planners and as he wants it will happen..
So stop the polemics, and watch...

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