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At least he looks wiser & has much knowledge :)

Anyway, Islam is neither community nor cult in the first place; it's about, IMO, how do we make a proper life according to our sensible needs. When we talk about community or cult, is it likely we may talk about sectarians' issue that still in hot topic right now. It's our egoism or ideology that may matter.

That's all what I can say...

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bro molvi no offense but ur avatar is hilarious. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I'm soo offended

that's my aunt yo


BATCAVE!!! (bring marshmallows) We must discuss the surgery. <-- Evidence points to WUP being a secretive cult.

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trainman wrote:
At least he looks wiser & has much knowledge :)


are you trying to tell me something? (suspects sarcasm)

jo dil mai woh zuba pe lao. :problem:

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Here, take some firewood - we havent got enough in the batcave. See you there Salsabeel... Nusaybah and ILTT are there already. Dissing our place, saying things like "how do you boys live like this?" - Please don't start giving us aggro too :facep:

I'll wrap it up here:

WUP - is a community. Coz it feels like one if you are in it. But, if you are not in it, then to you it can very well be a club, a fad, a cult, a fraternity... dependent on your bias. But to label it a cult when it clearly isn't - especially if you are on WUP, really doesn't say much for your personalities. If you wanna be a part of a cult and think this place fits - you'd be wrong.

You wanna come to a site and discuss world movement, politcs, and other things that are not mainstream, and meet other like minded people, then this is the place. This is the community.

Yes, it has that dark smokey dodgy snooker club feel to it. But so what? It's still a lounge and we don't engage in any weird rites or practices... not as a collective anyway. Some of you freaks however... LOL. Keep chanting.

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Agreed w/ bro scimi. It's like having a picnic, but actually gives a warm welcome for everyone who came in to making mutual relationships. I really wanna visit ur batcave, bro. Let's see if I can help for cooking & spying stuffs :D

And to sis Salsabeel: It's not sarcasm, this is what I viewed from myself. bro molvi had explained this person to everyone in a certain topic. (sadly my nailed long term memory didn't conceived who he is...)

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Well, the batcave is just something we say when we need to escape a troubling situation. For example - "Oh no, the women are here - quick, run to the BATCAVE - bring marshmallows" - just a joke. NO spying or anything quite so exciting i'm afraid. But you're more than welcome to pass by... just bring some marinated chicken and a chair (the floor is always wet - it's a cave, and we don't have any seats... picture a bunch of NY homelss men standing around a pot of gumbo - that's BATCAVE atmospherics)

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And to sis Salsabeel: It's not sarcasm, this is what I viewed from myself. bro molvi had explained this person to everyone in a certain topic. (sadly my nailed long term memory didn't conceived who he is...)


Then let bro molvi speak for himself.

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Here it is my Community im one of yours :) / Voila ma communauté je suis l'un des votres

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I didn't understand your question ...please clarify more!

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He says we are a community, listen to WUP MEGASTAR PRO WRESTLING CHAMPION - AHMED THE GAS... we don't want him to explode lol.

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Great post. See, I think whenever a person believes himself/herself to be "the best," I think the person is closer to satan in that moment. During the fall of Adam pbuh from Heaven, Iblis expressed pride and arrogance. He believed himself better than Adam pbuh, and out of such pride he refused to abide by Allah's SWT command to bow down to Adam pbuh. I think the bowing down is symbolic in a sense that Allah SWT did not ask angels, the jinn and other creation to worship Adam pbuh, but rather to be of service to Adam pbuh--to help him. After all, humans are weak creatures a lot of times.
Well, despite what satan believed, Adam pbuh proved himself to be a better man, if you will, in that Adam pbuh repented and asked for forgiveness while Iblis did not. He rather accepted the eternal punishment and decided to continue doing evil rather than ask Almighty Allah SWT for forgiveness.
So, any time we think ourselves better we are more like satan rather than our father Adam pbuh.

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molvicorleone wrote:
They are the Radicals

aint that right bro Insha, you're a radical aren't you?



I'm not only radical, I'm gnarly and tubular as well. Cowabunga!

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:) Great Clip, but i do not agree with all the points. As none of us can judge the other, no matter as we are not pure enough to even judge ourselves.
Yes! we must stand together with our neighbours, as in a community. Be the neighbour wrong or right, and not judge and give them a second chance, and lift them up. But we also have the human emotion of the trust factor, which does come from the respect and showing of acceptance of what it was, that the second chance is needed for. Applying this can be difficult when one lives in a community that does not have the same belief or common ground, only then it can work.
Here in South Africa, we have to live by faith, that our communities could be a community united on common ground. I think every second person, has there own cult ways, even if they say they have faith.
I agree that all should be diverse, as we are all Unique as Humans, no two will ever be alike, we need to see, hear all around us, cause GOD ALMIGHTY, gave us the individual power of CHOICE.

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WUP and Western and Eastern Islamic "Communities" have become a Cult. To those who are not aware, the Mosques and Communities are Corrupt. They are not just Hypocrites like Allah(SWT) says in the Qur'an, Surah 9 Taubah and Surah 107 Ma'roo, they are also the people whom in Rasool Allah's(SAWS) narration says "From this man, his seeds will recite the Qur'an beautifully, yet their faith will not proceed their tongues. If I were to live to their time I would slay them all." - Muhammad (SAWS)

Even the Wake Up Project has proof. And it has dragged on and will drag on till Imam Al Mahdi(a.s.) establishes the Caliphate.



Rasool Allah(SAWS) says "Let there only be one Caliphate, one Imam. For if there is a multitude of them, there will be fitnah and corruption."

The Masjid I go to, all of them are FreeMasons. Even their children. And the Qur'an and Ahadiths confirm such "accusations." They are simply Hypocrites, yet masons non the less.

Rasool Allah(SAWS) says "There will be people in my Ummah who's hands will be like the flesh of a womans breast or a flopping piece of meat." This is linked to the Lions Paw hand Shake of the Free-Mason Society.

They all shake my hand with the 3rd Degree Master Hand Shake. All of them.

They are even on this Website. Those whom act, like they know what they are talking about and disagree with the truth when evidences and facts from the Ahadith's and Qur'an are right in their face.

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The Masjid I go to, all of them are FreeMasons. Even their children. And the Qur'an and Ahadiths confirm such "accusations." They are simply Hypocrites, yet masons non the less.



They all shake my hand with the 3rd Degree Master Hand Shake. All of them.


Masons only give fellow masons the members handshake. They wouldn't be offering it to you unless you yourself were a mason. :shh:

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Says the Free-Mason.

You don't know anything about me. Nor do you know anything about the Free-Masons. Or do you?

Yet your answer is the equivalent of a tactic of their organized confusion to deceive the believers of a truth speaker.

You are a perfect example of that. A double-standard.

I see the likes of you everywhere.

And if I were a Free-Mason. I wouldn't be put in poverty, constantly attacked by khufar and people like you.

They know I know they are Free-Masons. You think we are put in our situations and are talked about in such ways by coincidence?

They do so to mock us. And by US, I mean the True Believers in Islamic Monotheism whom know exactly what I am talking about.

Not the hypocrites like you whom have sold out to he Society's of such persons.

I even expected someone such as you, to post such an answer.

How did I know that?

Well lets see. Could there be something as such called Noor?

I don't know lets see. Can we relate such a subject to the Story of Moses(a.s.) and Khabir(a.s.) in the story of Surah Al Khaf? Chapter 18 of the Qur'an and relate it to present times? I guess so.

Yet those who don't see it won't believe it.

Nice try though brother I will give you an E for Effort.

So take that finger and turn it around till it is pointed back at yourself.


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I was merely asking a question. No need to get all paranoid on us. Please stop acusing people of things which you have no knowledge or proof of. It's laughable to say that I am a mason.

I'm a female... a sister.

Slow your roll dude.

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Even the Sisters are involved.

Again. You are using a double standard. Not to mention your playing the card of paranoia.

So you can accuse me of being a Mason when I am not, but when the logical evidence is there pointing at you, I do not have the right to expose you in Truth?


That is the Logic and reality of Today. And those who do not see it are just like cattle. And if it there is someone you want to get mad about or anyone wants to get mad about me saying they are just like cattle, take it up with Allah(SWT). For he says so in the Qur'an about such people. Just cattle being driven into the Hellfire. For they have eyes in which to see with yet they do not see and ears in which to hear with yet they do not hear and hearts to understand with yet they do not understand.

I don't blame them. It is all preordained by Allah(SWT) for it to be so.

He(SWT) will not let anyone, who's heart has an atom's weight of faith be left burning in the Hellfire. If you don't know what I am talking about then you should go back and study the Qur'an and Ahadiths.


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I never accused you of anything. i asked you a question.

Meanwhile you have accused me of being a mason, and another member of being an "agent".

check yo self before you wreck yo self.

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"Masons only give fellow masons the members handshake. They wouldn't be offering it to you unless you yourself were a mason." <------ That is a question? More like an accusation.

Yes I did call another member and agent. If I wasn't allowed to, Allah(SWT) would not have allowed me to.

As for you. When I posted "Trumpets in the Sky" you come out and say it's hoaxes, videos dubbed by people from sounds of an Alien Movie. Even when I said my FAMILY members heard them all in different places and sent me a sound clip from their cellular phone. Not to mention that they all started to hear those sounds during the same time the people who posted those videos on you tube started hearing them. And they are sounds form all over the World.

And then you go and "bump" the topic after sister AllahisMyRefuge merged the topics and then you posted:

STRANGE SOUNDS HEARD ALL AROUND THE WORLD: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=23176

Like who are you trying to kid here? Me or yourself?


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