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about the DAJJAL and his arrival, there is a problem with the Shek Emran in interpretation, and to be specifically when he said that the DAJJAL was in the UK, and now he is in America, depending on the wrong interpretation of the hadith, and about the arrivals group in some kind of inaccurate calculations, about the wrong interpretation of sheik Imran that as I think maybe because he didnt read all the Hadith, so I will write down the misunderstood part of the Hadith in english which is about the 3 days " the day like a year, the day like a month, the day like a week....... " the Sahaba (followers) asked the Prophet Mohammad may peace and blessing be upon him and about the Dajjal and his arrival, and for how long he is going to stay among them, the Prophet pbuh said, the DAJJAL will stay for 40 days, a day like a year, and a day like a month, and a day like a week, and the rest of the days are like our normal days, then the Sahaba asked Mohammad pbuh, in the day like a year, is it enough to pray only a one day praying?, the Prophet pbuh said: no, try to do each pray to its closest time as if it was a year"... and so on for the second and third day, which didnt happen yet


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is this a hadits? i dont remember where it from?? !!


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Sheikh Imran Hosein does not agree with the time-table set out in "The Arrivals".

In regards to the "timing of prayers", he says that is for anyone who travels to another samawat, where the passage of time is not the same. Allah knows best if we will be in need of that advice. So if you are outside our dimension of time (like Dajjal) then you must adjust prayers accordingly.

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Yes, this Hadith is what made me confused about the interpretations of Imran Hussain
But plz Insha can you explain more ? i didn't understand what u said

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One of the Hadiths Sheikh Imran Hossein and people who follow him use is the following.

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(1) Amir b. Sharahil Sha'bi Sha'b Hamdan reported that he asked Fatima, daughter of Qais and sister of ad-Dahhak b. Qais and she was the first amongst the emigrant women: Narrate to me a hadith which you had heard directly from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and there is no extra link in between them. She said: Very well, if you like, I am prepared to do that, and he said to her: Well, do It and narrate that to me. She said: I married the son of Mughira and he was a chosen young man of Quraish at that time, but he fell as a martyr in the first Jihad on the side of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). When I became a widow, 'Abd al-Rahman b. Auf, one amongst the group of the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), sent me the proposal of marriage. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) also sent me such a message for his freed slave Usama b. Zaid. And it had been conveyed to me that Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) had said (about Usama): He who loves me should also love Usima. When Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) talked to me (about this matter), I said: My affairs are in your hand. You may marry me to anyone whom you like. He said: You better shift now to the house of Umm Sharik, and Umm Sharik was a rich lady from amongst the Anqir. She spent generously for the cause of Allah and entertained guests very hospitably. I said: Well, I will do as you like. He said: Do not do that for Umm Sharik is a woman who is very frequently vizited by guests and I do not like that your head may be uncovered or the cloth may be removed from your shank and the strangers may catch sight of them which you abhor. You better shift to the house of your cousin 'Abdullah b. 'Amr b. Umm Maktum and he is a person of the Bani Fihr branch of the Quraish, and he belonged to that tribe (to which Fatima) belonged. So I shifted to that house, and when my period of waiting was over, I heard the voice of an announcer making an announcement that the prayer would be observed in the mosque (where) congregational prayer (is observed). So I set out towards that mosque and observed prayer along with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and I was in the row of the women which was near the row of men. When Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had finished his prayer, he sat on the pulpit smiling and said: Every worshipper should keep sitting at his place. He then said: Do you know why I had asked you to assemble? They said: Allah and His Messenger know best. He said: By Allah. I have not made you assemble for exhortation or for a warning, but I have detained you here, for Tamim Dari, a Christian, who came and accepted Islam, told me something, which agrees with what I was-telling, yuu about the dajjal. He narrated to me that he had sailed in a ship along with thirty men of Bani Lakhm and Bani Judham and had been tossed by waves in the ocean for a month. Then these (waves) took them (near) the land within the ocean (island) at the time of sunset. They sat in a small side-boat and entered that island. There was a beast with long thick hair (and because of these) they could not distinguish his face from his back. They said: Woe to you, who can you be? Thereupon it said: I am al-Jassasa. They said: What is al-Jassasa? And it said: O people, go to this person in the monastery as he is very much eager to know about you. He (the narrator) said: When it named a person for us we were afraid of it lest it should be a Devil. Then we hurriedly went on till we came to that monastery and found a well-built person there with his hands tied to his neck and having iron shackles between his two legs up to the ankles. We said: Woe be upon thee, who are you? And he said: You would soon come to know about me. but tell me who are you. We said: We are people from Arabia and we embarked upon a boat but the sea-waves had been driving us for one month and they brought as near this island. We got Into the side-boats and entered this island and here a beast met us with profusely thick hair and because of the thickness of his hair his face could not be distinguished from his back. We said: Woe be to thee, who are you? It said: I am al- Jassasa. We said: What is al-Jassasa? And it said: You go to this very person in the monastery for he is eagerly waiting for you to know about you. So we came to you in hot haste fearing that that might be the Devil. He (that chained person) said: Tell me about the date-palm trees of Baisan. We &aid: About what aspect of theirs do you seek information? He said: I ask you whether these trees bear fruit or not. We said: Yes Thereupon he said: I think these would not bear fruits. He said: Inform me about the lake of Tabariyya? We said: Which aspect of it do you want to know? He said: Is there water in it? They said: There is abundance of water in it. Thereupon he said: I think it would soon become dry. He again said: Inform me about the spring of Zughar. They said: Which aspect of it you want to know? He (the chained person) said: Is there water in it and does it irrigate (the land)? We said to him: Yes, there is abundance of water in it and the inhabitants (of Medina) irrigate (land) with the help of it, He said: Inform me about the unlettered Prophet; what has he done? We said: He has come out from Mecca and has settled In Yathrib (Medina). He said: Do the Arabs fight against him? We said: Yes. He said: How did he deal with him? We informed him that he had overcome those in his neighbourhood and they had submitted themselves before him. Thereupon he said to us: Had it actually happened? We said: Yes. Thereupon he said: If it is so that is better for them that they should show obedience to him. I am going to tell you about. myself and I am dajjal and would be soon permitted to get out and so I shall get out and travel in the land, and will not spare any town where I would not stay for forty nights except Mecca and Medina as these two (places) are prohibited (areas) for me and I would not make an attempt to enter any one of these two. An angel with a sword in his hand would confront me and would bar my way and there would be angels to guard every passage leading to it; then Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) striking the pulpit with the help of the end of his staff said: This implies Taiba meaning Medina. Have I not, told you an account (of the dajjal) like this? 'The people said: Yes, and this account narrated by Tamim Dari was liked by me for it corroborates the account which I gave to you in regard to him (dajjal) at Medina and Mecca. Behold he (dajjal) is in the Syrian sea (Mediterranian) or the Yemen sea (Arabian sea). Nay, on the contrary, he As In the east, he is in the east, he is in the east, and he pointed with his hand towards the east. I (Fatima bint Qais) said: I preserved It In my mind (this narration from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). (Book #041, Hadith #7028)



Long Hadith. Personally I also believed it was about 'an island in the east'
however Sheikh Imran interpreted it to mean dajjal had originally been in britain (ie that this is the island where tamim dari had been having been travelling in the mediterranean sea).

There's no doubt it could well have been that island. However everytime this topic comes up really cannot help myself and have to share my opinion aswell :shifty:

1) Imran Hossein targets Britain, America a great deal. Now, since he himself has made reference to supposed 'proofs' in other religious texts, including the hindu texts....then it is only right people include opinions/viewpoints based on the Bible (which is more relevant).

The Book of revelation prophecied the current era aswell as the colonial eraaswell as the coming eras.

There is a specific reason why. It was Christian-centric. The prophecies concerned the Christian world in particular and it isn't an accident the colonial nations were Christian!! has nowt to do with dajjal.

This is one form of deception on his part. He's blinded people into a one-eyed perspective himself. Why? because britain was not on it's own. Most european nations were the same, though britain had the largest empire. Britain didn't begin the coloional age either.

So he goes from
pax britinica to pax americana

why didn't he mention a pax germanica? afterall this is where the rothschilds began, this is where the illuminati was formed.

2) The hadith, actually tells us the following

I am dajjal and would be soon permitted to get out and so I shall get out and travel in the land, and will not spare any town where I would not stay for forty nights except Mecca and Medina as these two (places) are prohibited (areas) for me and I would not make an attempt to enter any one of these two.

so where does that leave the standard 40 days when he is travelling to EVERY city for '40 nights'?

In fact this hadith in a quasi way resembles some of the beliefs amongst the jews about their 'messiah'

Woe, for the salvation of Israel has perished! But a voice came from heaven saying,
Elijah, it is not as you think, but He will be 400 years in the great Sea, and eighty years with the Sons of Korah where the smoke ascends, and eighty years at Rome’s gate, and the rest of the years
He will travel about the great Cities until the end. 5

In another rabbinic portion, based in part upon a scripture in the book of Lamentations, ["she has none to comfort (Menachem) of all her friends,"] 6 the name of the Messiah is identified as Menachem Ben Ami-e1. 7 Messiah, then, is clearly "alive and well" for the last nineteen hundred years, according to these rabbinic writings. His name is Menachem (the Comforter) Ben Amiel (God is with his People). He started to work around the great Mediterranean Sea. went to Samaria (Korah), then Rome and the ends of the world. We may ask : Why was He expected during the first century? Clearly there was a certainty that Messiah had to appear at that period. This conviction was probably based upon the following passages in the book of Daniel:

http://www.menorah.org/yitm17.html

I don't think it's a coinicidence jewish rabbis have interpreted their book (by occult means) and found that their messiah

is alive and well and has been for over 1900 years
began his work around the mediterranean sea and has been travelling around the world since.

However one key point about all of the above is, it tells us their 'messiah' began his work in the mediterreanean.....not the island of britain then?

Of course it doesn't really matter what the jews have believed on this topic......except when you interpret a religious texts by occult means, it usually always means you've looked into it, with your inner eye......as if the jewish rabbis didn't know that....the specific method used by imran hossein. I don't think being a muslim has anything to do with this either. As if to say being muslim exempts you from spiritual deception. Just self-flattery really.

If you're not a pure person (and 99.99% of us are not) then your vision will always come out distorted and if you use a distorted method to interpret the Quran/Hadith then you're no different to the jews.

Plus if the modern system is dajjalic, then whoever destroys it cannot be dajjal. Then there's anothr argument, that dajjal is using currently America and will destroy america to establish israel.
The trouble is, dajjal is not a saviour of israel. He will destroy zionism and the biblical texts tell us the false messiah will leave his flock deserted. It's likely he will have to destroy zionist israel and rebuild. Not only does this make sense but it explains why he will be followed by jews from Isfahan and a group of bani israel who would be amongst the muslims and would conquer constantinople. It also explains why arabs would wind up following him. The fact that the hadith speaks of the latter group as 'bani israel' and NOT 'jews' confirms they're most likely to be ethnic israelites.....doesn't rule out pathans or any particular ethnic israelite group who are currently muslim, who would follow dajjal.

Anyway, this just my perspective i suppose. Though i don't agree with sheikh imran hossein's views anyway. Particularly because too many stupid half illiterate teens follow him the most. The amount of times i've now heard 'gog and magog world order'....it's pitiful, it's sad, given it does directly contradict what ibn abbas told us and you'd expect sheikh imran hossein to know this himself.....but he insists he's entitled to his opinion. I don't think it does if it contradicts someone like ibn abbas's view directly.

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Unread post Re: THE DAJJAL hadith wrong interpretation..... very importa
If Dajjal comes, we will see him :insha: .Because the prophet(sm) said that every Believer, litterate or illiterate will be able to recognize Dajjal, the system of Dajjal and it's effects. As a believer, I can recognize Dajjalic system all around me. But Dajjal the being or its physical appearance has not occured. If it did, we could see him.
So, don't bother too much about interpretation. If something happens, we will see :insha:

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Imran Hosein's response isn't available at the moment; like us, his videos aren't working. This however is not on youtube I don't think.

Molvi, you said a lot, but you didn't really get to the answer of the question. What do you think about the timing of the prayers?

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I also believe that dajjaal is on this earth physically and not in "another dimension" like many of the people believe. Tamim ad Dari didn't cross borders from this earth to another dimension to speak personally with dajjaal!!! I think people are being led astray to believe such thoughts. he is somewhere on this earth. This is my opinion but I don't incite people to believe in what I've to say or take it for granted, but I've some conviction he's on the american military based region on the Chagos Archipelagos, in the indian ocean. U'll notice that the islands are quasi hidden. While they form part of the Mauritian territory, no one has the right to go there, even though the archipelago is ours...insane.

http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/die ... ?service=0

If you have google earth installed on your pc, pls have a closer look

http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom ... on-britain

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do you believe this is IDEA of NWO from an island :



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insha wrote:
Imran Hosein's response isn't available at the moment; like us, his videos aren't working. This however is not on youtube I don't think.

Molvi, you said a lot, but you didn't really get to the answer of the question. What do you think about the timing of the prayers?


Salaams, that question never entered my mind really. It wasn't relevant to what I was saying.

See, often, when I talk about Gog and Magog I quote from the words of the Prophet SAW himself which tell us Gog & Magog will be released AFTER dajjal.

SO, people in turn quote the tamim dari hadith, which actually contains his words, not those of the Prophet SAW. In the words of tamim dari, dajjal mearly mentions the lake of tiberias water and says it will be dried up. Thus people assume it will dry up before dajjal is released.
Another problem is the Prophet SAW told us dajjal would be around for 40 days like our days.

In the tamim dari hadith, dajjal says "I am dajjal and would be soon permitted to get out and so I shall get out and travel in the land, and will not spare any town where I would not stay for forty nights except Mecca and Medina"

a clear contradiction


but then you have the following hadith too

The dajjal would appear in my Ummah and he would stay (in the world) for forty-I cannot say whether he meant forty days, forty months or forty years.
Saheeh Muslim Book #041, Hadith #7023)


clearly, we don't even know what the Prophet SAW meant.

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Are you aware the Imran Hosein doesn't believe the Tamim Dari story is not an actual event, but rather a vision/dream that he had? And that the Prophet (saws) said that it was similar to what he knew?

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insha wrote:
Are you aware the Imran Hosein doesn't believe the Tamim Dari story is not an actual event, but rather a vision/dream that he had? And that the Prophet (saws) said that it was similar to what he knew?


I wasn't aware. Could you give me a link? I want to hear/read it for myself. Though....I already disagree.

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