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Dargah and wasila of Awliya

In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is no one (no idol, no person, no grave, no prophet, no imam, no dai, nobody!) worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad(saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.

Q-1: First of all i wish to ask you what is the meaning of Awliyah Allah?

‘Awliya’ is the plural of the word ‘wali’, which basically means a friend or a patron.

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Baqarah verse 257: Allah is the ‘Wali’ of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness, He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith, their ‘Awliyaa’ are the Evil One (Shaitaan): from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire to dwell therein (for ever).

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Baqarah verse 107: Knowest thou not that to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth! And besides Him ye have neither ‘Wali’ (patron) nor helper.

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 18 Surah Kahf verse 102: Do the Unbelievers think that they can take my servants as ‘Awliyaa’ besides Me? Verily We have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment.

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 4 Surah Nisaa verse 76: Those who believe, fight in the cause of Allah and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil: so fight ye against the ‘Awliyaa’ (friends) of Shaitaan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Shaitaan.

Q-2: As you know Death for them means immortality.They simply cross the stage of fana to reach the station of BAKA.

Allah Almighty has glorified them to such an extent that they shall be ever remembered.

The only Being who is Immortal, and will never ever die is the Being of the Merciful Lord Alone!

If death approaches a being, then he obviously cannot be called ‘immortal’!!

Q-3: i agree with you that you cannot bestow towards their grave, you cannot ask them what you want because it is only Allah who gives and takes.But you definitely can go to darga and use Awliyaah Allah`s as Wasila.


Allahu Ta`ala declares: "Oh believers! Fear Allah and look for a wasila to approach him"(Al Maida, Verse35)

The translation of the full Aayah 35 of Surah Maidah is as follows: O ye who believe! Fear Allah and seek the ‘wasila’ (means of approach) unto Him; and strive with might and main in His cause: that ye may prosper.

Under no circumstances or contexts can the above Aayah of the Glorious Quran even remotely imply that ‘wasila’ means to take the graves of the pious righteous deceased slaves of Allah Subhanah and start invoking these ‘Awliyaas’ as a means of approaching Allah Subhanah!

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 39 Surah Zumar verse 3: Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? But those who take ‘awliyaas’ other than Allah (say): "We only serve them (the awliyaas) in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah." Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful.

But ‘wasila’ is a means to approach Allah Subhanah by doing righteous good deeds like Jihad (striving in His Cause), Prayer, Fasts, Charity, etc.; the striving of doing righteous good deeds are the means whereby one may approach the Pleasure and Good Will of the Merciful Lord and Creator; and the one who does so will indeed be deemed successful.

Your Statement: But you definitely can go to darga and use Awliyaah Allah`s as Wasila.

It has indeed always happened that when some true and pious servant of Allah Subhanah died, some people declared him after his death as a ‘Wali’(plural Awliya) from themselves, and shared some of Allah’s Rights and Attributes with this departed person! Some made images and worshipped them, some made idols and invoked them, and some turned their graves into places of worship and invocations!

Allah Alone is All-Hearing; but some ignorant people shared this Noble Attribute of Allah with their Awliyaas and declared them to be all-hearing too!

Similarly, Allah Alone is All-Seeing; but some ignorant people shared this Noble Attribute of Allah with their Awliyaas and declared them to be all-seeing too!

This is precisely what has been termed ‘shirk’ in the Glorious Quran!

One who we think is a righteous and pious man and declare him a ‘wali’, may or may not be a ‘wali’; for Allah Subhanah Alone knows the condition of his heart and his intentions. But there is absolutely no doubt that all the Messengers of Allah Subhanah are His ‘Walis’! And the Messenger of Allah (saws) invoked the curse of Allah Subhanah on those who made and used the graves of the Noble Prophets of Allah as dargahs or places of worship!

Abu Hurairah reported: "The Prophet (saws) said: `May Allah destroy the Jews, because they used the graves of their prophets as places of worship (dargahs).``
Related Bukhari and Muslim.

Abu Hurairah narrated: "The Prophet (saws) said: `May Allah curse the Jews and the Christians for they turned the graves of their Prophets into places of worship` (dargahs).``
Related by Bukhari and Muslim.

Aishah reported: "Umm Habibah and Umm Salamah mentioned to Allah`s Messenger (saws) a church in which they saw drawings while in Abyssinia, whereupon he (saws) said: `Those people used to build a place of worship (dargah) over the grave of a righteous man among them when he died, and make such drawings in it. These will be the worst of people in the sight of Allah on the Day of Resurrection.``
Related by Bukhari and Muslim

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.706 Narrated by Aisha and Abdullah bin Abbas

When the disease of the Messenger of Allah (saws) got aggravated, he covered his face with a Khamisa, but when he became short of breath, he would remove it from his face and say, "It is like that! May Allah curse the Jews and Christians because they took the graves of their prophets as places of worship. (dargah)" By that he warned his followers of imitating them, by doing that which they did.

It is indeed unfortunate and absolute and utter ignorance, that after being specifically warned by the Messenger of Allah (saws); some people who profess their belief in him and his message start making and using the dargahs of the deceased pious slaves of Allah Subhanah as places of worship and invocation!

Your Question: I would also like to know whether it is considered to be a shrik using Awlia Allah as Wasila ?

If one invokes anything or anyone other than Allah Subhanah, or if one invokes or calls upon anything or anyone with Allah Subhanah… there is absolutely no doubt that such a person will be committing the heinous abomination of ‘shirk’!!!

It is the strict command and sole Right of Allah Subhanah, as the Creator and Sustainer of the World, that He and He Alone should be invoked for anything one desires and needs; for there is none in the Universe who can give anything if Allah does not will to give, and there is none in the Universe who can stop Allah if He wills to show mercy on His slaves!

If one so much as even tries to invoke someone or something other than Allah Subhanah Alone, he will be committing the most heinous of crimes in the sight of Allah Subhanah; that is, ‘shirk’!!!

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 10 Surah Yunus verse 18: These people serve beside Allah those which can neither harm nor benefit them, and say, “These are our ‘shofa’a’ (intercessors) with Allah!” (O Mohammed), tell them, “Do you wish to inform Allah of that thing which He knows not in the heavens, or in the earth?” He is absolutely free from, and exalted above the shirk that they commit.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 18 Surah Kahf verse 102: What? Do these people, who have disbelieved, presume that they would make My servants their ‘auliyaas’ besides Me? We have prepared Hell for the hospitality of such people.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 5 Surah Maidah verse 72: Whoever commits ‘shirk’ (invoking anything with Allah), Allah shall forbid for him Paradise , and Hell shall be his abode. And for such wrong doers there will be no one to help.

The Glorious Quran is overflowing with the warnings of Allah Subhanah regarding every manifestation of the heinous sin of ‘shirk’. Every nation which was destroyed before, be it the nation of Prophet Nooh (a.s.), the nation of Aad, the nation of Thamud, the nation of Prophet Lut (a.s.), the nation of Prophet Shoaib (a.s.), etc. Every nation was destroyed by Allah Subhanah because they did exactly what they were warned against by the Prophets who came to them: they invariably invoked others with Allah Subhanah and were guilty of the heinous crime of ‘shirk’!

Some invoked the sun, the moon, the stars; some invoked animals; some invented their own gods; and some made images and graves of the deceased righteous pious people (awliyaas) and invoked them with Allah Subhanah….and thus became guilty of the abomination and the most hated crime in the sight of The All-Mighty Lord, ‘shirk’!!!

Allah has narrated the stories of the old nations in the Glorious Quran in detail, and why they were destroyed and annihilated by Him. We humbly urge you to please read and study the warnings of wisdom by the Merciful Lord before you propagate the invocation of the ‘awliyaas’ at their ‘dargahs’.

Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me alone. And Allah (swt) Knows Best!!!

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Salaams,
Welcome to the forum. You obviously feel strongly about this subject, so much so you chose to copy paste this article.
I'm guessing you're young. When you wise up a little you'll realise sectarian differences are not the way to go. You'll realise EVERYONE is wrong.....and then some.

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That was a great article, thanks for posting

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Mashallah brother,
Stick to the path that inspires you bro, all those different sect's/beliefs in Islam in the end are like different roads leading to the same city, whichever one you choose will Inshallah lead you there.


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molvicorleone wrote:
Salaams,
Welcome to the forum. You obviously feel strongly about this subject, so much so you chose to copy paste this article.
I'm guessing you're young. When you wise up a little you'll realise sectarian differences are not the way to go. You'll realise EVERYONE is wrong.....and then some.



AAH!!! "molvicorleone", bro that's my own research done a year ago.... that's not a copy paste material except Qur'an and Hadiths ref... that was a question asked by an ignorant dargah worshiper... and we all knw Prophet (saws) said out of 73 sects 72 are from Hell... so obviously all are wrong except 1... so do not assume things... :thumbdown:

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Hammy wrote:
molvicorleone wrote:
Salaams,
Welcome to the forum. You obviously feel strongly about this subject, so much so you chose to copy paste this article.
I'm guessing you're young. When you wise up a little you'll realise sectarian differences are not the way to go. You'll realise EVERYONE is wrong.....and then some.



AAH!!! "molvicorleone", bro that's my own research done a year ago.... that's not a copy paste material except Qur'an and Hadiths ref... that was a question asked by an ignorant dargah worshiper... and we all knw Prophet (saws) said out of 73 sects 72 are from Hell... so obviously all are wrong except 1... so do not assume things... :thumbdown:


1) Every sect claims to be that 1 sect. That tells you all you need to know. All this 'but they're wrong and we're right' nonsense needs to stop. The only true sect is the one whre there is no sect.

As per the following hadith

(1) Narrated Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman: The people used to ask Allah's Apostle about good, but I used to ask him about evil for fear that it might overtake me. Once I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We were in ignorance and in evil and Allah has bestowed upon us the present good; will there by any evil after this good?" He said, "Yes." I asked, "Will there be good after that evil?" He said, "Yes, but it would be tained with Dakhan (i.e. Little evil)." I asked, "What will its Dakhan be?" He said, "There will be some people who will lead (people) according to principles other than my tradition. You will see their actions and disapprove of them." I said, "Will there by any evil after that good?" He said, "Yes, there will be some people who will invite others to the doors of Hell, and whoever accepts their invitation to it will be thrown in it (by them)." I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Describe those people to us." He said, "They will belong to us and speak our language" I asked, "What do you order me to do if such a thing should take place in my life?" He said, "Adhere to the group of Muslims and their Chief." I asked, "If there is neither a group (of Muslims) nor a chief (what shall I do)?" He said, "Keep away from all those different sects, even if you had to bite (i.e. eat) the root of a tree, till you meet Allah while you are still in that state." (Book #56, Hadith #803)


2) You've called someone a dargah worshipper, therby calling him a kafir.
What happens to the accuser?

What does wasilah even mean, different contexts according to varying opinions

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(1) Abdullah. the freed slave of Asma' (the daughter of Abu Bakr). the maternal uncle of the son of 'Ata, reported: Asma' sent me to 'Abdullah b. 'Umar saying: The news has reached me that you prohibit the use of three things: the striped robe. saddle cloth made of red silk. and the fasting in the holy month of Rajab. 'Abdullah said to me: So far as what you say about fasting in the month of Rajab, how about one who observes continuous fasting? -and so far as what you say about the striped garment, I heard Umar b. Khatab say that he had heard from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him): He who wears silk garment has no share for him (in the Hereafter), and I am afraid it may not be that striped garment; and so far as the red saddle clotb is concerned that is the saddle cloth of Abdullah and it is red. I went back to Asma' and informed her. whereupon she said: Here is the cloak of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). and she brought out to me that cloak made of Persian cloth with a hem of brocade, and its sleeves bordered with brocade and said: This wall Allah's Messenger's cloak with 'A'isha until she died, and when she died. I got possession of it. The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) used to wear that, and we waslied it for the sick and sought cure thereby. (Book #024, Hadith #5149)


this is wasila

no doubt, you will now attempt to claim you knew this. I doubt you did. Afterall so many of YOUR people claim even going to Madina for the sake of the Prophet SAW is SHIRK.

3) You said

The only Being who is Immortal, and will never ever die is the Being of the Merciful Lord Alone!
If death approaches a being, then he obviously cannot be called ‘immortal’!!


this reminds me of the lucifer/satan conundrum. As in, your approach hereis very deceptive.

We all know that this duniya is not the true duniya. We believe in the everlasting life. Allah is everlasting, however the souls of the believers are immortal.


4) You've blatantly misinterpreted and misquoted various Quranic ayats and Hadith which specifically speak about Jews/Christians and even the meccan pagans.

There's a massive difference. The jews had in their time directly worshipped idols and spirits. The Christians believe Jesus is God and some believe Maryam is the 'mother of God'. They also ask their priests for forgiveness and not God directly.

I don't know of any muslim who worships graves. I know of people who cross the boundary and attribute special powers to their 'awliya' which are exaggerated......but even this is not shirk. Why? let me give you an example

in Pakistan where i'm from there's a grave of a pious man, who used to cure lepers when he was alive. Since his passing away, people visit his grave for the cure.

it doesn't mean they worship his grave or worshipping him. They go to the grave, they pay sadaqa and when they pray at this grave, they pray to ALLAH to send blessings on that person. THEN they make their request, to ALLAH.

this is waseelah.
The idea being, if Allah is pleased with that person and that person was indeed close with Allah. The request will be met.

Why else do muslims send salutations on the Prophet SAW? Why do muslims specifically send salutations on the Prophet SAW and THEN make their request to Allah?

THere's so much more to this topic but as i'm busy I can't go in depth.

I also know this post will fall on deaf ears but i had to answer you.

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molvicorleone wrote:
Hammy wrote:
molvicorleone wrote:
Salaams,
Welcome to the forum. You obviously feel strongly about this subject, so much so you chose to copy paste this article.
I'm guessing you're young. When you wise up a little you'll realise sectarian differences are not the way to go. You'll realise EVERYONE is wrong.....and then some.



AAH!!! "molvicorleone", bro that's my own research done a year ago.... that's not a copy paste material except Qur'an and Hadiths ref... that was a question asked by an ignorant dargah worshiper... and we all knw Prophet (saws) said out of 73 sects 72 are from Hell... so obviously all are wrong except 1... so do not assume things... :thumbdown:


1) Every sect claims to be that 1 sect. That tells you all you need to know. All this 'but they're wrong and we're right' nonsense needs to stop. The only true sect is the one whre there is no sect.

As per the following hadith

(1) Narrated Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman: The people used to ask Allah's Apostle about good, but I used to ask him about evil for fear that it might overtake me. Once I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We were in ignorance and in evil and Allah has bestowed upon us the present good; will there by any evil after this good?" He said, "Yes." I asked, "Will there be good after that evil?" He said, "Yes, but it would be tained with Dakhan (i.e. Little evil)." I asked, "What will its Dakhan be?" He said, "There will be some people who will lead (people) according to principles other than my tradition. You will see their actions and disapprove of them." I said, "Will there by any evil after that good?" He said, "Yes, there will be some people who will invite others to the doors of Hell, and whoever accepts their invitation to it will be thrown in it (by them)." I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Describe those people to us." He said, "They will belong to us and speak our language" I asked, "What do you order me to do if such a thing should take place in my life?" He said, "Adhere to the group of Muslims and their Chief." I asked, "If there is neither a group (of Muslims) nor a chief (what shall I do)?" He said, "Keep away from all those different sects, even if you had to bite (i.e. eat) the root of a tree, till you meet Allah while you are still in that state." (Book #56, Hadith #803)


2) You've called someone a dargah worshipper, therby calling him a kafir.
What happens to the accuser?

What does wasilah even mean, different contexts according to varying opinions

e.g

(1) Abdullah. the freed slave of Asma' (the daughter of Abu Bakr). the maternal uncle of the son of 'Ata, reported: Asma' sent me to 'Abdullah b. 'Umar saying: The news has reached me that you prohibit the use of three things: the striped robe. saddle cloth made of red silk. and the fasting in the holy month of Rajab. 'Abdullah said to me: So far as what you say about fasting in the month of Rajab, how about one who observes continuous fasting? -and so far as what you say about the striped garment, I heard Umar b. Khatab say that he had heard from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him): He who wears silk garment has no share for him (in the Hereafter), and I am afraid it may not be that striped garment; and so far as the red saddle clotb is concerned that is the saddle cloth of Abdullah and it is red. I went back to Asma' and informed her. whereupon she said: Here is the cloak of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). and she brought out to me that cloak made of Persian cloth with a hem of brocade, and its sleeves bordered with brocade and said: This wall Allah's Messenger's cloak with 'A'isha until she died, and when she died. I got possession of it. The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) used to wear that, and we waslied it for the sick and sought cure thereby. (Book #024, Hadith #5149)


this is wasila

no doubt, you will now attempt to claim you knew this. I doubt you did. Afterall so many of YOUR people claim even going to Madina for the sake of the Prophet SAW is SHIRK.

3) You said

The only Being who is Immortal, and will never ever die is the Being of the Merciful Lord Alone!
If death approaches a being, then he obviously cannot be called ‘immortal’!!


this reminds me of the lucifer/satan conundrum. As in, your approach hereis very deceptive.

We all know that this duniya is not the true duniya. We believe in the everlasting life. Allah is everlasting, however the souls of the believers are immortal.


4) You've blatantly misinterpreted and misquoted various Quranic ayats and Hadith which specifically speak about Jews/Christians and even the meccan pagans.

There's a massive difference. The jews had in their time directly worshipped idols and spirits. The Christians believe Jesus is God and some believe Maryam is the 'mother of God'. They also ask their priests for forgiveness and not God directly.

I don't know of any muslim who worships graves. I know of people who cross the boundary and attribute special powers to their 'awliya' which are exaggerated......but even this is not shirk. Why? let me give you an example

in Pakistan where i'm from there's a grave of a pious man, who used to cure lepers when he was alive. Since his passing away, people visit his grave for the cure.

it doesn't mean they worship his grave or worshipping him. They go to the grave, they pay sadaqa and when they pray at this grave, they pray to ALLAH to send blessings on that person. THEN they make their request, to ALLAH.

this is waseelah.
The idea being, if Allah is pleased with that person and that person was indeed close with Allah. The request will be met.

Why else do muslims send salutations on the Prophet SAW? Why do muslims specifically send salutations on the Prophet SAW and THEN make their request to Allah?

THere's so much more to this topic but as i'm busy I can't go in depth.

I also know this post will fall on deaf ears but i had to answer you.





Seems like some1 is burning down there.... :clap:

i don't understand what yu trying to prove here but i can see ur hatred towards ppl who believes that ALLAH (swt) is ALONE with power and He is the Only one worthy of Worship... Huh busy, like we got all the time in this world to answer ur craps.... :lol:
and yeah deaf ears, like mine felt on blind eyes.... :facep:

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Brother Hammy,

Assalaam Alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu. Alhmadulillah, you did some very good research here and it is very well presented. Masha-Allah.

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Hammy, i'm absolutely disgusted with you. You had to twist the Quran and Hadith in order to call fellow muslims 'kafirs' and then even insist you're following the correct sect.

It also doesnt matter how many times you insist you believe Allah is One, you have no right claiming other muslims believe otherwise without valid proofs and without generalising. To accuse another muslim of being a kafir, is as good as kufr.

What is even more disgusting is the blind followers on here who cannot see through this. I had a similar argument with bushwack who once accused sufis of being kafirs, as in, people who 'worship their mawlas'.

Incase you wish to brand/categorise me as a sufi. You'll find in my posts I openly disagree with many sufis. I'm open minded.

of course, you cannot directly refute each point made in my previous post.

PS speaking of burning, remind me why you began this thread as a newb?

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molvicorleone wrote:
I'm open minded.


... which is why your brains keep falling out.

Speaking about a brother in a derogatory tone in his absence is gheebat. Backbiting. Repent akhi.

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Scimitar wrote:
molvicorleone wrote:
I'm open minded.


... which is why your brains keep falling out.

Speaking about a brother in a derogatory tone in his absence is gheebat. Backbiting. Repent akhi.

Scimi


the irony

I've not spoken in a derogatory way about bushwack (i'm assuming you're talking about him). I'm pointing out the differences i've had with him in the past which actually took place. He 100% did say what he said, never apologised and i was the only one

yes, the only one

who took offense, that time.

I picked up on it that time. To accuse a muslim of being a polytheist so openly without it provoking a reaction from other muslims, is mind boggling.

You're asking me to repent for backbiting (even though i haven't) but said nothing about the takfiri behaviour displayed so openly in this thread. :clap:

Are you not man enough to take issue with that? or are you too dumb to even understand wht's actually going on? (your brainzez fallingz out lulz) why don't you read the second hadith i posted genius?

Yet the same guy implies it is kufr, shirk, polythiesm etc to seek wasilah at the grave of the Prophet SAW, despite the people closest to him, approving of wasilah through his cloak.

Scimitar, as always, you're clueless.

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Molvi-Corleone...

... This thread is NOT about Bushwack, a well respected and much loved person on this forum - who has done more than you could ever imagine - to bring the truth to the masses. What have you done? Just bring up butt-hurt from the past over and over again like a broken record? And you got the nerve to call me "clueless" ??? You DID backbite a fellow Muslim on this thread - when there was absolutely no need for it. Just your own personal desire to get one back when he isnt around to stop you in your tracks - like he always does.

I called you out, because we all know exactly who you were referring to with your back-biting comment. Shame oln you, not an ounce of repentance in you for slandering a brother. Wallahi, you keep exposing exactly what you are - a mischief maker. Oh, justify yourself all you want - but the regulars here already know all about you. You aint fooling anyone.

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I called you out, because we all know exactly who you were referring to with your back-biting comment

considering you're prone to anxiety attacks, on meds, in therapy and almost 40. It doesn't surprise me you're imagining things once again. There was no backbiting, or undercover backbiting in my posts here. I spoke directly to him when he said it, making reference to it, is not backbiting. Or do I need to spoonfeed you the defenition of backbiting.

My posts are confrontational?
Well, Hammy was calling some of my fellow muslim brothers........KAFIRS.

I do not take kindly to that.

Maybe you're on here to make friends. I'm not. I'm here to share and defend what i believe in and confront the plague that is 'takifri islam'.

About myself, my 'contribution' I didn't realise there was a competition. Well, since you're comparing me to bushwack

Here are bushwacks own words
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=14890&start=0

"Your crazy admirer,
Bushy."



so who the bleeding hell are YOU and what business do you have coming here trying compare me with bushwack? I don't need to create silly videos with daft long winded intros like you just to make a name for myself on the internet.

In addition to that, remember TheAnfer? the guy left islam BECAUSE OF YOU!! precisely due to the takfiri culture, i'm talking about. You accused him of all sorts when he was new to islam and learning. He was doing fine before you came along.

JUST GET THIS INTO YOUR EMPTY SKULL.......IMPLYING FELLOW MUSLIMS ARE KAFIR...IS NOT ON!! I WILL NOT TOLERATE IT EVEN IF YOU DO!!

Here's some useful reading material for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfir
http://www.aaiil.info/misconceptions/fa ... ition.html
http://www.ahlus-sunna.com/index.php?op ... Itemid=145
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthr ... ack-to-you.

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molvicorleone wrote:
I called you out, because we all know exactly who you were referring to with your back-biting comment

considering you're prone to anxiety attacks, on meds, in therapy and almost 40. It doesn't surprise me you're imagining things once again. There was no backbiting, or undercover backbiting in my posts here. I spoke directly to him when he said it, making reference to it, is not backbiting. Or do I need to spoonfeed you the defenition of backbiting.

My posts are confrontational?
Well, Hammy was calling some of my fellow muslim brothers........KAFIRS.

I do not take kindly to that.

Maybe you're on here to make friends. I'm not. I'm here to share and defend what i believe in and confront the plague that is 'takifri islam'.

About myself, my 'contribution' I didn't realise there was a competition. Well, since you're comparing me to bushwack

Here are bushwacks own words
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=14890&start=0

"Your crazy admirer,
Bushy."



so who the bleeding hell are YOU and what business do you have coming here trying compare me with bushwack? I don't need to create silly videos with daft long winded intros like you just to make a name for myself on the internet.

In addition to that, remember TheAnfer? the guy left islam BECAUSE OF YOU!! precisely due to the takfiri culture, i'm talking about. You accused him of all sorts when he was new to islam and learning. He was doing fine before you came along.

JUST GET THIS INTO YOUR EMPTY SKULL.......IMPLYING FELLOW MUSLIMS ARE KAFIR...IS NOT ON!! I WILL NOT TOLERATE IT EVEN IF YOU DO!!

Here's some useful reading material for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfir
http://www.aaiil.info/misconceptions/fa ... ition.html
http://www.ahlus-sunna.com/index.php?op ... Itemid=145
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthr ... ack-to-you.


Bro, your low blows show exactly how desperate you are to have the last word. exercise some decorum. And enjoy the rest of your day, salaam.

Scimi

EDIT: you have now been given a third chance to ask Allah for forgiveness - but I guess your ignorance knows no bounds. Suit yourself.

Also, Alhamdulillah, I am no longer prone to anxiety attacks or anything of the sort, but speaking from experience - I can see that you are where I used to be. Allah help you.

You asked who am I to come here and blah blah blah... the short answer is I am a member, and a Muslim, and I know a bad apple when I see one...

As for your stance on the whole implying fellow Muslims are kafir or not - stop getting involved in hypocritival debates - tyou yourself have called Muslims kaifrs in the past... so put your money where your mouth is and shut it.

As for The Anfer... bro, don't back bite... SEE? He was doing it again... OH the heedlessness. LOL.


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molvicorleone wrote:
I called you out, because we all know exactly who you were referring to with your back-biting comment

considering you're prone to anxiety attacks, on meds, in therapy and almost 40. It doesn't surprise me you're imagining things once again. There was no backbiting, or undercover backbiting in my posts here. I spoke directly to him when he said it, making reference to it, is not backbiting. Or do I need to spoonfeed you the defenition of backbiting.

My posts are confrontational?
Well, Hammy was calling some of my fellow muslim brothers........KAFIRS.

I do not take kindly to that.

Maybe you're on here to make friends. I'm not. I'm here to share and defend what i believe in and confront the plague that is 'takifri islam'.

About myself, my 'contribution' I didn't realise there was a competition. Well, since you're comparing me to bushwack

Here are bushwacks own words
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=14890&start=0

"Your crazy admirer,
Bushy."



so who the bleeding hell are YOU and what business do you have coming here trying compare me with bushwack? I don't need to create silly videos with daft long winded intros like you just to make a name for myself on the internet.

In addition to that, remember TheAnfer? the guy left islam BECAUSE OF YOU!! precisely due to the takfiri culture, i'm talking about. You accused him of all sorts when he was new to islam and learning. He was doing fine before you came along.

JUST GET THIS INTO YOUR EMPTY SKULL.......IMPLYING FELLOW MUSLIMS ARE KAFIR...IS NOT ON!! I WILL NOT TOLERATE IT EVEN IF YOU DO!!

Here's some useful reading material for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfir
http://www.aaiil.info/misconceptions/fa ... ition.html
http://www.ahlus-sunna.com/index.php?op ... Itemid=145
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthr ... ack-to-you.




Looks Like someone is "CRYING" like a "CRY BABY"!!!! :lol: I am not like you alwaz opening his big-mouth.... and what else valid proofs you need???? after watching those Aayat's like a blind fella, one more fo you Allah (swt) says In Qur'an Chapter 2 about the ppl who died in the cause of Allah (swt), that don't call them dead they are alive but "YOU PERVIEVE IT NOT"!!! and that's the end of it! and if you say that they do good to you, listen to your call etc etc... but Allah (swt) says you don't have their knowledge then will go any further??? and if you are cribbing on this part that i've twisted Qur'an and Hadith then you show me their correct meaning... you should go and brush up YOUR knowledge by visiting Scholars and not just stick around to single majlis or group visit some gr8 scholars "COME OUT OF YOUR EGG" and explore ISLAM if you really want to gain knowledge...

If you are disgusted with me then that's ur problem, it'll NOT bother me in the least.... Oh! i should've known a guy from paki... :roll:

and you tellin me a saint who cures ppl, and still now ppl go and give "SADAQA"... well that's a clear SHIRK.... to call others is SHIRK... the call is only for ALLAH (swt) not for DEAD who cannot harm you nor profit... If Alah wants to do good to you No one can Harm you, and if He want to cause harm to you, the NO one can remove it.... and I am not pointing some one for being a Kaafir i am just stating that this kind of beilef is Kufar... why are you so desperate about... If you still wanted to have a debate, then i am on....

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Scimitar wrote:
molvicorleone wrote:
I called you out, because we all know exactly who you were referring to with your back-biting comment

considering you're prone to anxiety attacks, on meds, in therapy and almost 40. It doesn't surprise me you're imagining things once again. There was no backbiting, or undercover backbiting in my posts here. I spoke directly to him when he said it, making reference to it, is not backbiting. Or do I need to spoonfeed you the defenition of backbiting.

My posts are confrontational?
Well, Hammy was calling some of my fellow muslim brothers........KAFIRS.

I do not take kindly to that.

Maybe you're on here to make friends. I'm not. I'm here to share and defend what i believe in and confront the plague that is 'takifri islam'.

About myself, my 'contribution' I didn't realise there was a competition. Well, since you're comparing me to bushwack

Here are bushwacks own words
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=14890&start=0

"Your crazy admirer,
Bushy."



so who the bleeding hell are YOU and what business do you have coming here trying compare me with bushwack? I don't need to create silly videos with daft long winded intros like you just to make a name for myself on the internet.

In addition to that, remember TheAnfer? the guy left islam BECAUSE OF YOU!! precisely due to the takfiri culture, i'm talking about. You accused him of all sorts when he was new to islam and learning. He was doing fine before you came along.

JUST GET THIS INTO YOUR EMPTY SKULL.......IMPLYING FELLOW MUSLIMS ARE KAFIR...IS NOT ON!! I WILL NOT TOLERATE IT EVEN IF YOU DO!!

Here's some useful reading material for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfir
http://www.aaiil.info/misconceptions/fa ... ition.html
http://www.ahlus-sunna.com/index.php?op ... Itemid=145
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthr ... ack-to-you.


Bro, your low blows show exactly how desperate you are to have the last word. exercise some decorum. And enjoy the rest of your day, salaam.

Scimi

EDIT: you have now been given a third chance to ask Allah for forgiveness - but I guess your ignorance knows no bounds. Suit yourself.

Also, Alhamdulillah, I am no longer prone to anxiety attacks or anything of the sort, but speaking from experience - I can see that you are where I used to be. Allah help you.

You asked who am I to come here and blah blah blah... the short answer is I am a member, and a Muslim, and I know a bad apple when I see one...

As for your stance on the whole implying fellow Muslims are kafir or not - stop getting involved in hypocritival debates - tyou yourself have called Muslims kaifrs in the past... so put your money where your mouth is and shut it.

As for The Anfer... bro, don't back bite... SEE? He was doing it again... OH the heedlessness. LOL.



so im now backbiting about anfer? you seriously must have an IQ of 80 if you think that is backbiting.

which muslim did i call a kafir? you're just making it up as you go along. I want proof.

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Waleykum Assalam warehmatullah wa barkatahu brother Scimitar.. i really appreciate that..... I owe you one!!!!! :)

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Hammy wrote:
molvicorleone wrote:
I called you out, because we all know exactly who you were referring to with your back-biting comment

considering you're prone to anxiety attacks, on meds, in therapy and almost 40. It doesn't surprise me you're imagining things once again. There was no backbiting, or undercover backbiting in my posts here. I spoke directly to him when he said it, making reference to it, is not backbiting. Or do I need to spoonfeed you the defenition of backbiting.

My posts are confrontational?
Well, Hammy was calling some of my fellow muslim brothers........KAFIRS.

I do not take kindly to that.

Maybe you're on here to make friends. I'm not. I'm here to share and defend what i believe in and confront the plague that is 'takifri islam'.

About myself, my 'contribution' I didn't realise there was a competition. Well, since you're comparing me to bushwack

Here are bushwacks own words
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=14890&start=0

"Your crazy admirer,
Bushy."



so who the bleeding hell are YOU and what business do you have coming here trying compare me with bushwack? I don't need to create silly videos with daft long winded intros like you just to make a name for myself on the internet.

In addition to that, remember TheAnfer? the guy left islam BECAUSE OF YOU!! precisely due to the takfiri culture, i'm talking about. You accused him of all sorts when he was new to islam and learning. He was doing fine before you came along.

JUST GET THIS INTO YOUR EMPTY SKULL.......IMPLYING FELLOW MUSLIMS ARE KAFIR...IS NOT ON!! I WILL NOT TOLERATE IT EVEN IF YOU DO!!

Here's some useful reading material for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfir
http://www.aaiil.info/misconceptions/fa ... ition.html
http://www.ahlus-sunna.com/index.php?op ... Itemid=145
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthr ... ack-to-you.




Looks Like someone is "CRYING" like a "CRY BABY"!!!! :lol: I am not like you alwaz opening his big-mouth.... and what else valid proofs you need???? after watching those Aayat's like a blind fella, one more fo you Allah (swt) says In Qur'an Chapter 2 about the ppl who died in the cause of Allah (swt), that don't call them dead they are alive but "YOU PERVIEVE IT NOT"!!! and that's the end of it! and if you say that they do good to you, listen to your call etc etc... but Allah (swt) says you don't have their knowledge then will go any further??? and if you are cribbing on this part that i've twisted Qur'an and Hadith then you show me their correct meaning... you should go and brush up YOUR knowledge by visiting Scholars and not just stick around to single majlis or group visit some gr8 scholars "COME OUT OF YOUR EGG" and explore ISLAM if you really want to gain knowledge...

If you are disgusted with me then that's ur problem, it'll NOT bother me in the least.... Oh! i should've known a guy from paki... :roll:

and you tellin me a saint who cures ppl, and still now ppl go and give "SADAQA"... well that's a clear SHIRK.... to call others is SHIRK... the call is only for ALLAH (swt) not for DEAD who cannot harm you nor profit... If Alah wants to do good to you No one can Harm you, and if He want to cause harm to you, the NO one can remove it.... and I am not pointing some one for being a Kaafir i am just stating that this kind of beilef is Kufar... why are you so desperate about... If you still wanted to have a debate, then i am on....

:thumbup:



all you're doing is completely misquoting the Quran and using ayats/hadiths which especially talk about the non-muslims and use them against muslims instead.

I can get into specifics, but why don't you double check your sources, perhaps read some well known tafsirs to understand the context yourself? You clearly haven't done so.

Your last paragraph is a prime example. If that was the case when why did the Hadith i posted speak about the claok of the Prophet SAW? never mind a 'dead man' but even his belongings became a means of wasila and people sought cures through them. Mashallah.

So now, even giving sadaqa when seeking a cure THROUGH WASILAH IS.........SHIRK!!!!!????

Ya Allah, what deeply ignorant, twisted and deceptive times i'm living in.

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molvicorleone wrote:
Hammy wrote:
molvicorleone wrote:
I called you out, because we all know exactly who you were referring to with your back-biting comment

considering you're prone to anxiety attacks, on meds, in therapy and almost 40. It doesn't surprise me you're imagining things once again. There was no backbiting, or undercover backbiting in my posts here. I spoke directly to him when he said it, making reference to it, is not backbiting. Or do I need to spoonfeed you the defenition of backbiting.

My posts are confrontational?
Well, Hammy was calling some of my fellow muslim brothers........KAFIRS.

I do not take kindly to that.

Maybe you're on here to make friends. I'm not. I'm here to share and defend what i believe in and confront the plague that is 'takifri islam'.

About myself, my 'contribution' I didn't realise there was a competition. Well, since you're comparing me to bushwack

Here are bushwacks own words
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=14890&start=0

"Your crazy admirer,
Bushy."



so who the bleeding hell are YOU and what business do you have coming here trying compare me with bushwack? I don't need to create silly videos with daft long winded intros like you just to make a name for myself on the internet.

In addition to that, remember TheAnfer? the guy left islam BECAUSE OF YOU!! precisely due to the takfiri culture, i'm talking about. You accused him of all sorts when he was new to islam and learning. He was doing fine before you came along.

JUST GET THIS INTO YOUR EMPTY SKULL.......IMPLYING FELLOW MUSLIMS ARE KAFIR...IS NOT ON!! I WILL NOT TOLERATE IT EVEN IF YOU DO!!

Here's some useful reading material for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfir
http://www.aaiil.info/misconceptions/fa ... ition.html
http://www.ahlus-sunna.com/index.php?op ... Itemid=145
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthr ... ack-to-you.




Looks Like someone is "CRYING" like a "CRY BABY"!!!! :lol: I am not like you alwaz opening his big-mouth.... and what else valid proofs you need???? after watching those Aayat's like a blind fella, one more fo you Allah (swt) says In Qur'an Chapter 2 about the ppl who died in the cause of Allah (swt), that don't call them dead they are alive but "YOU PERVIEVE IT NOT"!!! and that's the end of it! and if you say that they do good to you, listen to your call etc etc... but Allah (swt) says you don't have their knowledge then will go any further??? and if you are cribbing on this part that i've twisted Qur'an and Hadith then you show me their correct meaning... you should go and brush up YOUR knowledge by visiting Scholars and not just stick around to single majlis or group visit some gr8 scholars "COME OUT OF YOUR EGG" and explore ISLAM if you really want to gain knowledge...

If you are disgusted with me then that's ur problem, it'll NOT bother me in the least.... Oh! i should've known a guy from paki... :roll:

and you tellin me a saint who cures ppl, and still now ppl go and give "SADAQA"... well that's a clear SHIRK.... to call others is SHIRK... the call is only for ALLAH (swt) not for DEAD who cannot harm you nor profit... If Alah wants to do good to you No one can Harm you, and if He want to cause harm to you, the NO one can remove it.... and I am not pointing some one for being a Kaafir i am just stating that this kind of beilef is Kufar... why are you so desperate about... If you still wanted to have a debate, then i am on....

:thumbup:



all you're doing is completely misquoting the Quran and using ayats/hadiths which especially talk about the non-muslims and use them against muslims instead.

I can get into specifics, but why don't you double check your sources, perhaps read some well known tafsirs to understand the context yourself? You clearly haven't done so.

Your last paragraph is a prime example. If that was the case when why did the Hadith i posted speak about the claok of the Prophet SAW? never mind a 'dead man' but even his belongings became a means of wasila and people sought cures through them. Mashallah.

So now, even giving sadaqa when seeking a cure THROUGH WASILAH IS.........SHIRK!!!!!????

Ya Allah, what deeply ignorant, twisted and deceptive times i'm living in.



You are unbelievable.

If it's not one truth speaker you are trying to smear it is another.

You guys are easily exposed. Why don't you just give up and go back to your lodges.

The truth shall prevail over falsehood. Always.

As for twisting the Qur'an and Ahadiths. It is brothers like you who do so to try and mislead those who are not aware of the situation.

I have not only seen this from you Molvi, but other brothers as well on this website.

And just when everything is getting exposed and the realness comes out, SOME of the moderators act as if they are the overseers and lock and bin the truth.

Why? I don't know, maybe to hide the exposed fakeness of the liars, hypocrites and masons whom have infiltrated this website.

You can read the Qur'an and Ahadiths all you want. But if Allah(SWT) has not allowed you to understand and comprehend the Sunnah and Qur'an, then do not preach your own agenda. For those who go the way of the world, Allah(SWT) will have a terrible punishment for them. In the Grave and the Hereafter.

It's as if no one has seen the Arrivals except those who have the same views of True Islamic Monotheism whom understand the Qur'an and Sunnah because Allah(SWT) has allowed us to.

You are not fooling anyone but yourself.

Give it up.


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Dargah and wasila of Awliya

In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is no one (no idol, no person, no grave, no prophet, no imam, no dai, nobody!) worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad(saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.

Q-1: First of all i wish to ask you what is the meaning of Awliyah Allah?

‘Awliya’ is the plural of the word ‘wali’, which basically means a friend or a patron.

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Baqarah verse 257: Allah is the ‘Wali’ of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness, He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith, their ‘Awliyaa’ are the Evil One (Shaitaan): from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire to dwell therein (for ever).

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Baqarah verse 107: Knowest thou not that to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth! And besides Him ye have neither ‘Wali’ (patron) nor helper.

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 18 Surah Kahf verse 102: Do the Unbelievers think that they can take my servants as ‘Awliyaa’ besides Me? Verily We have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment.

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 4 Surah Nisaa verse 76: Those who believe, fight in the cause of Allah and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil: so fight ye against the ‘Awliyaa’ (friends) of Shaitaan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Shaitaan.

Q-2: As you know Death for them means immortality.They simply cross the stage of fana to reach the station of BAKA.

Allah Almighty has glorified them to such an extent that they shall be ever remembered.

The only Being who is Immortal, and will never ever die is the Being of the Merciful Lord Alone!

If death approaches a being, then he obviously cannot be called ‘immortal’!!

Q-3: i agree with you that you cannot bestow towards their grave, you cannot ask them what you want because it is only Allah who gives and takes.But you definitely can go to darga and use Awliyaah Allah`s as Wasila.


Allahu Ta`ala declares: "Oh believers! Fear Allah and look for a wasila to approach him"(Al Maida, Verse35)

The translation of the full Aayah 35 of Surah Maidah is as follows: O ye who believe! Fear Allah and seek the ‘wasila’ (means of approach) unto Him; and strive with might and main in His cause: that ye may prosper.

Under no circumstances or contexts can the above Aayah of the Glorious Quran even remotely imply that ‘wasila’ means to take the graves of the pious righteous deceased slaves of Allah Subhanah and start invoking these ‘Awliyaas’ as a means of approaching Allah Subhanah!

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 39 Surah Zumar verse 3: Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? But those who take ‘awliyaas’ other than Allah (say): "We only serve them (the awliyaas) in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah." Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful.

But ‘wasila’ is a means to approach Allah Subhanah by doing righteous good deeds like Jihad (striving in His Cause), Prayer, Fasts, Charity, etc.; the striving of doing righteous good deeds are the means whereby one may approach the Pleasure and Good Will of the Merciful Lord and Creator; and the one who does so will indeed be deemed successful.

Your Statement: But you definitely can go to darga and use Awliyaah Allah`s as Wasila.

It has indeed always happened that when some true and pious servant of Allah Subhanah died, some people declared him after his death as a ‘Wali’(plural Awliya) from themselves, and shared some of Allah’s Rights and Attributes with this departed person! Some made images and worshipped them, some made idols and invoked them, and some turned their graves into places of worship and invocations!

Allah Alone is All-Hearing; but some ignorant people shared this Noble Attribute of Allah with their Awliyaas and declared them to be all-hearing too!

Similarly, Allah Alone is All-Seeing; but some ignorant people shared this Noble Attribute of Allah with their Awliyaas and declared them to be all-seeing too!

This is precisely what has been termed ‘shirk’ in the Glorious Quran!

One who we think is a righteous and pious man and declare him a ‘wali’, may or may not be a ‘wali’; for Allah Subhanah Alone knows the condition of his heart and his intentions. But there is absolutely no doubt that all the Messengers of Allah Subhanah are His ‘Walis’! And the Messenger of Allah (saws) invoked the curse of Allah Subhanah on those who made and used the graves of the Noble Prophets of Allah as dargahs or places of worship!

Abu Hurairah reported: "The Prophet (saws) said: `May Allah destroy the Jews, because they used the graves of their prophets as places of worship (dargahs).``
Related Bukhari and Muslim.

Abu Hurairah narrated: "The Prophet (saws) said: `May Allah curse the Jews and the Christians for they turned the graves of their Prophets into places of worship` (dargahs).``
Related by Bukhari and Muslim.

Aishah reported: "Umm Habibah and Umm Salamah mentioned to Allah`s Messenger (saws) a church in which they saw drawings while in Abyssinia, whereupon he (saws) said: `Those people used to build a place of worship (dargah) over the grave of a righteous man among them when he died, and make such drawings in it. These will be the worst of people in the sight of Allah on the Day of Resurrection.``
Related by Bukhari and Muslim

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.706 Narrated by Aisha and Abdullah bin Abbas

When the disease of the Messenger of Allah (saws) got aggravated, he covered his face with a Khamisa, but when he became short of breath, he would remove it from his face and say, "It is like that! May Allah curse the Jews and Christians because they took the graves of their prophets as places of worship. (dargah)" By that he warned his followers of imitating them, by doing that which they did.

It is indeed unfortunate and absolute and utter ignorance, that after being specifically warned by the Messenger of Allah (saws); some people who profess their belief in him and his message start making and using the dargahs of the deceased pious slaves of Allah Subhanah as places of worship and invocation!

Your Question: I would also like to know whether it is considered to be a shrik using Awlia Allah as Wasila ?

If one invokes anything or anyone other than Allah Subhanah, or if one invokes or calls upon anything or anyone with Allah Subhanah… there is absolutely no doubt that such a person will be committing the heinous abomination of ‘shirk’!!!

It is the strict command and sole Right of Allah Subhanah, as the Creator and Sustainer of the World, that He and He Alone should be invoked for anything one desires and needs; for there is none in the Universe who can give anything if Allah does not will to give, and there is none in the Universe who can stop Allah if He wills to show mercy on His slaves!

If one so much as even tries to invoke someone or something other than Allah Subhanah Alone, he will be committing the most heinous of crimes in the sight of Allah Subhanah; that is, ‘shirk’!!!

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 10 Surah Yunus verse 18: These people serve beside Allah those which can neither harm nor benefit them, and say, “These are our ‘shofa’a’ (intercessors) with Allah!” (O Mohammed), tell them, “Do you wish to inform Allah of that thing which He knows not in the heavens, or in the earth?” He is absolutely free from, and exalted above the shirk that they commit.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 18 Surah Kahf verse 102: What? Do these people, who have disbelieved, presume that they would make My servants their ‘auliyaas’ besides Me? We have prepared Hell for the hospitality of such people.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 5 Surah Maidah verse 72: Whoever commits ‘shirk’ (invoking anything with Allah), Allah shall forbid for him Paradise , and Hell shall be his abode. And for such wrong doers there will be no one to help.

The Glorious Quran is overflowing with the warnings of Allah Subhanah regarding every manifestation of the heinous sin of ‘shirk’. Every nation which was destroyed before, be it the nation of Prophet Nooh (a.s.), the nation of Aad, the nation of Thamud, the nation of Prophet Lut (a.s.), the nation of Prophet Shoaib (a.s.), etc. Every nation was destroyed by Allah Subhanah because they did exactly what they were warned against by the Prophets who came to them: they invariably invoked others with Allah Subhanah and were guilty of the heinous crime of ‘shirk’!

Some invoked the sun, the moon, the stars; some invoked animals; some invented their own gods; and some made images and graves of the deceased righteous pious people (awliyaas) and invoked them with Allah Subhanah….and thus became guilty of the abomination and the most hated crime in the sight of The All-Mighty Lord, ‘shirk’!!!

Allah has narrated the stories of the old nations in the Glorious Quran in detail, and why they were destroyed and annihilated by Him. We humbly urge you to please read and study the warnings of wisdom by the Merciful Lord before you propagate the invocation of the ‘awliyaas’ at their ‘dargahs’.

Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me alone. And Allah (swt) Knows Best!!!


Jazak'Allah Khair Brother.

May Allah(SWT) grant you Al-Firdaus.

Ameen.


Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:48 pm
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