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You are unbelievable.

If it's not one truth speaker you are trying to smear it is another.

You guys are easily exposed. Why don't you just give up and go back to your lodges.

The truth shall prevail over falsehood. Always.

As for twisting the Qur'an and Ahadiths. It is brothers like you who do so to try and mislead those who are not aware of the situation.

I have not only seen this from you Molvi, but other brothers as well on this website.

And just when everything is getting exposed and the realness comes out, SOME of the moderators act as if they are the overseers and lock and bin the truth.

Why? I don't know, maybe to hide the exposed fakeness of the liars, hypocrites and masons whom have infiltrated this website.

You can read the Qur'an and Ahadiths all you want. But if Allah(SWT) has not allowed you to understand and comprehend the Sunnah and Qur'an, then do not preach your own agenda. For those who go the way of the world, Allah(SWT) will have a terrible punishment for them. In the Grave and the Hereafter.

It's as if no one has seen the Arrivals except those who have the same views of True Islamic Monotheism whom understand the Qur'an and Sunnah because Allah(SWT) has allowed us to.

You are not fooling anyone but yourself.

Give it up.[/quote]


whosoever you are your statement "You can read the Qur'an and Ahadiths all you want. But if Allah(SWT) has not allowed you to understand and comprehend the Sunnah and Qur'an, then do not preach your own agenda. For those who go the way of the world, Allah(SWT) will have a terrible punishment for them. In the Grave and the Hereafter."

Allah (swt) says in Qur'an Chapter 55 verse no 2.. Allamal Qur'an.. means Allah (swt) has taught us Qur'an.... and aftr He says taught us speech and intelligence.... and you tellin us that we cannot understand so tell me where did Allah (swt) has said that mankind cannot understand Qur'an or show me any Hadith... you such a IGNORANT person my friend... May Allah (swt) guide you....

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What are you talking about?

I was talking to Molvi not YOU.

So you attack me?


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Another thread looking for the bin, I see...

... threads like this are better off on ummah.com and islamicboard.com forums... where the real knowledge is given by properly educated Muslims and Muslimahs on the subject. It was a good topic though, and for that - I commend the OP for starting it. I suggest posting this same info on other forums to see what kind of reaction you will get from those.
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Dargah and wasila of Awliya

In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is no one (no idol, no person, no grave, no prophet, no imam, no dai, nobody!) worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad(saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.

Q-1: First of all i wish to ask you what is the meaning of Awliyah Allah?

‘Awliya’ is the plural of the word ‘wali’, which basically means a friend or a patron.

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Baqarah verse 257: Allah is the ‘Wali’ of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness, He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith, their ‘Awliyaa’ are the Evil One (Shaitaan): from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire to dwell therein (for ever).

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Baqarah verse 107: Knowest thou not that to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth! And besides Him ye have neither ‘Wali’ (patron) nor helper.

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 18 Surah Kahf verse 102: Do the Unbelievers think that they can take my servants as ‘Awliyaa’ besides Me? Verily We have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment.

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 4 Surah Nisaa verse 76: Those who believe, fight in the cause of Allah and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil: so fight ye against the ‘Awliyaa’ (friends) of Shaitaan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Shaitaan.

Q-2: As you know Death for them means immortality.They simply cross the stage of fana to reach the station of BAKA.

Allah Almighty has glorified them to such an extent that they shall be ever remembered.

The only Being who is Immortal, and will never ever die is the Being of the Merciful Lord Alone!

If death approaches a being, then he obviously cannot be called ‘immortal’!!

Q-3: i agree with you that you cannot bestow towards their grave, you cannot ask them what you want because it is only Allah who gives and takes.But you definitely can go to darga and use Awliyaah Allah`s as Wasila.


Allahu Ta`ala declares: "Oh believers! Fear Allah and look for a wasila to approach him"(Al Maida, Verse35)

The translation of the full Aayah 35 of Surah Maidah is as follows: O ye who believe! Fear Allah and seek the ‘wasila’ (means of approach) unto Him; and strive with might and main in His cause: that ye may prosper.

Under no circumstances or contexts can the above Aayah of the Glorious Quran even remotely imply that ‘wasila’ means to take the graves of the pious righteous deceased slaves of Allah Subhanah and start invoking these ‘Awliyaas’ as a means of approaching Allah Subhanah!

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 39 Surah Zumar verse 3: Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? But those who take ‘awliyaas’ other than Allah (say): "We only serve them (the awliyaas) in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah." Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful.

But ‘wasila’ is a means to approach Allah Subhanah by doing righteous good deeds like Jihad (striving in His Cause), Prayer, Fasts, Charity, etc.; the striving of doing righteous good deeds are the means whereby one may approach the Pleasure and Good Will of the Merciful Lord and Creator; and the one who does so will indeed be deemed successful.

Your Statement: But you definitely can go to darga and use Awliyaah Allah`s as Wasila.

It has indeed always happened that when some true and pious servant of Allah Subhanah died, some people declared him after his death as a ‘Wali’(plural Awliya) from themselves, and shared some of Allah’s Rights and Attributes with this departed person! Some made images and worshipped them, some made idols and invoked them, and some turned their graves into places of worship and invocations!

Allah Alone is All-Hearing; but some ignorant people shared this Noble Attribute of Allah with their Awliyaas and declared them to be all-hearing too!

Similarly, Allah Alone is All-Seeing; but some ignorant people shared this Noble Attribute of Allah with their Awliyaas and declared them to be all-seeing too!

This is precisely what has been termed ‘shirk’ in the Glorious Quran!

One who we think is a righteous and pious man and declare him a ‘wali’, may or may not be a ‘wali’; for Allah Subhanah Alone knows the condition of his heart and his intentions. But there is absolutely no doubt that all the Messengers of Allah Subhanah are His ‘Walis’! And the Messenger of Allah (saws) invoked the curse of Allah Subhanah on those who made and used the graves of the Noble Prophets of Allah as dargahs or places of worship!

Abu Hurairah reported: "The Prophet (saws) said: `May Allah destroy the Jews, because they used the graves of their prophets as places of worship (dargahs).``
Related Bukhari and Muslim.

Abu Hurairah narrated: "The Prophet (saws) said: `May Allah curse the Jews and the Christians for they turned the graves of their Prophets into places of worship` (dargahs).``
Related by Bukhari and Muslim.

Aishah reported: "Umm Habibah and Umm Salamah mentioned to Allah`s Messenger (saws) a church in which they saw drawings while in Abyssinia, whereupon he (saws) said: `Those people used to build a place of worship (dargah) over the grave of a righteous man among them when he died, and make such drawings in it. These will be the worst of people in the sight of Allah on the Day of Resurrection.``
Related by Bukhari and Muslim

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.706 Narrated by Aisha and Abdullah bin Abbas

When the disease of the Messenger of Allah (saws) got aggravated, he covered his face with a Khamisa, but when he became short of breath, he would remove it from his face and say, "It is like that! May Allah curse the Jews and Christians because they took the graves of their prophets as places of worship. (dargah)" By that he warned his followers of imitating them, by doing that which they did.

It is indeed unfortunate and absolute and utter ignorance, that after being specifically warned by the Messenger of Allah (saws); some people who profess their belief in him and his message start making and using the dargahs of the deceased pious slaves of Allah Subhanah as places of worship and invocation!

Your Question: I would also like to know whether it is considered to be a shrik using Awlia Allah as Wasila ?

If one invokes anything or anyone other than Allah Subhanah, or if one invokes or calls upon anything or anyone with Allah Subhanah… there is absolutely no doubt that such a person will be committing the heinous abomination of ‘shirk’!!!

It is the strict command and sole Right of Allah Subhanah, as the Creator and Sustainer of the World, that He and He Alone should be invoked for anything one desires and needs; for there is none in the Universe who can give anything if Allah does not will to give, and there is none in the Universe who can stop Allah if He wills to show mercy on His slaves!

If one so much as even tries to invoke someone or something other than Allah Subhanah Alone, he will be committing the most heinous of crimes in the sight of Allah Subhanah; that is, ‘shirk’!!!

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 10 Surah Yunus verse 18: These people serve beside Allah those which can neither harm nor benefit them, and say, “These are our ‘shofa’a’ (intercessors) with Allah!” (O Mohammed), tell them, “Do you wish to inform Allah of that thing which He knows not in the heavens, or in the earth?” He is absolutely free from, and exalted above the shirk that they commit.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 18 Surah Kahf verse 102: What? Do these people, who have disbelieved, presume that they would make My servants their ‘auliyaas’ besides Me? We have prepared Hell for the hospitality of such people.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 5 Surah Maidah verse 72: Whoever commits ‘shirk’ (invoking anything with Allah), Allah shall forbid for him Paradise , and Hell shall be his abode. And for such wrong doers there will be no one to help.

The Glorious Quran is overflowing with the warnings of Allah Subhanah regarding every manifestation of the heinous sin of ‘shirk’. Every nation which was destroyed before, be it the nation of Prophet Nooh (a.s.), the nation of Aad, the nation of Thamud, the nation of Prophet Lut (a.s.), the nation of Prophet Shoaib (a.s.), etc. Every nation was destroyed by Allah Subhanah because they did exactly what they were warned against by the Prophets who came to them: they invariably invoked others with Allah Subhanah and were guilty of the heinous crime of ‘shirk’!

Some invoked the sun, the moon, the stars; some invoked animals; some invented their own gods; and some made images and graves of the deceased righteous pious people (awliyaas) and invoked them with Allah Subhanah….and thus became guilty of the abomination and the most hated crime in the sight of The All-Mighty Lord, ‘shirk’!!!

Allah has narrated the stories of the old nations in the Glorious Quran in detail, and why they were destroyed and annihilated by Him. We humbly urge you to please read and study the warnings of wisdom by the Merciful Lord before you propagate the invocation of the ‘awliyaas’ at their ‘dargahs’.

Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me alone. And Allah (swt) Knows Best!!!


I think the reactions on other islamic forums will be better than what you experienced here akhi.

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Q-2: As you know Death for them means immortality.They simply cross the stage of fana to reach the station of BAKA.

Allah Almighty has glorified them to such an extent that they shall be ever remembered.

The only Being who is Immortal, and will never ever die is the Being of the Merciful Lord Alone!

If death approaches a being, then he obviously cannot be called ‘immortal’!!


This Q & A is like:

Q - What is your name?
A - I am 8 years old


Q - Say whaaat? :problem:

The question is obviously asking time span AFTER death; does life after physical death (Barzakh) have a time span? Can it be quantified by linear measurement such as time? Can't understand why the author totally diverted from the original question....

Come on, we've got to be more intelligent than that....
the Quran explicitly mentions "Kholideena Feeha ABADAN ABADA"


Unless you can identify for us who is this 'Burhan' of Gowister.com? What are his credentials in the Islamic Knowledge?

http://www.gowister.com/islam-answer-2106.html

Be careful where we get our sources from in matters directly dealing with the Deen.....


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I didn't know that there is even such web site until now:

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There are just some things that you can't rush into....


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asralfarhi wrote:
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Q-2: As you know Death for them means immortality.They simply cross the stage of fana to reach the station of BAKA.

Allah Almighty has glorified them to such an extent that they shall be ever remembered.

The only Being who is Immortal, and will never ever die is the Being of the Merciful Lord Alone!

If death approaches a being, then he obviously cannot be called ‘immortal’!!


This Q & A is like:

Q - What is your name?
A - I am 8 years old


Q - Say whaaat? :problem:

The question is obviously asking time span AFTER death; does life after physical death (Barzakh) have a time span? Can it be quantified by linear measurement such as time? Can't understand why the author totally diverted from the original question....

Come on, we've got to be more intelligent than that....
the Quran explicitly mentions "Kholideena Feeha ABADAN ABADA"


Unless you can identify for us who is this 'Burhan' of Gowister.com? What are his credentials in the Islamic Knowledge?

http://www.gowister.com/islam-answer-2106.html

Be careful where we get our sources from in matters directly dealing with the Deen.....


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I didn't know that there is even such web site until now:

Wister is an Unique Islamic Search Engine which gives you the answers very
quickly from our unique collection of Q&A with references from Quran & Hadith.
You can also search Videos, Quran and Hadith.


There are just some things that you can't rush into....




Lol... askd for name and giving age... FUNNY!!
Khaalideena Feeha means forever... also Qur'an says you cannot make the dead hear... are dead and living equal?? what! overlooked this stuff??? really people do amazing stuff when it is against their desires... like this guy forgot to say his name and said age...

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Now I have to ask, you said you wrote that Q&A, now asralfarhi finds it on another website... did you actually write it?

Scimi, I thought you said not to trust any forum? Suddenly your alternative forums are better than this one and are somehow "more qualified"? I expected a little better from you than that. You know as much about the people on that board as you do about the ones on this one. That is, you know only what is shown to you.




Pardon the language.

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insha wrote:
Now I have to ask, you said you wrote that Q&A, now asralfarhi finds it on another website... did you actually write it?

Scimi, I thought you said not to trust any forum? Suddenly your alternative forums are better than this one and are somehow "more qualified"? I expected a little better from you than that. You know as much about the people on that board as you do about the ones on this one. That is, you know only what is shown to you.




Pardon the language.

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The same set of questions (even some more) was aksd by an Ignorant Dargah worshiper and also some stories, fairytales rather which i don't think i should discuss here, but yeah this is a part of our reseacrh, whether we found it on a Islamic website or we write it our own but we need help from others too and this article we found it with the same rebuttals what we were going to convey and there is nothing wrong in it, an eye opener for those who really wanted to gain knowledge and same for them whether we warn them or do not they'll not believe and will see some crookedness in it... Qur'an celarly states that we should call no one except Allah, and if we do we are in manifest error...

If you have some better understanding of those Quranic verses then go ahead and show us...

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Some good points raised by both sides. But be polite and do not declare fatwas on others, you have no authority to do that. Also, I'm kinda confused about backbiting. You people seem to have a completely different definition of it. :lol:

Just wanted to say, mentioning a discussion with bro bushwack on a site which he often visits and is likely to read isn't backbiting at all.

It would be better to stay on topic and try to be respectful to each other. You all fancy yourselves to be much older and wiser, but your posts on this thread are quite immature and intended to slander, to say the least. I see no sincerity, a lot of ego and hatred.

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@Hammy: I just wanted to be clear, you said you wrote it, but you did not actually write it. It does matter that you be honest from the start. You will lose credibility, even if you are right on subjects, if you are not honest with the smallest of things.

I think the problem here is you should have posted in the intro section, rather than just coming out of nowhere with your views on things. And some members could have been more welcoming.

With that being said, welcome to the forum. Let's all try to get along please.

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insha wrote:
Now I have to ask, you said you wrote that Q&A, now asralfarhi finds it on another website... did you actually write it?

Scimi, I thought you said not to trust any forum? Suddenly your alternative forums are better than this one and are somehow "more qualified"? I expected a little better from you than that. You know as much about the people on that board as you do about the ones on this one. That is, you know only what is shown to you.




Pardon the language.

:salaam:


Wassalaam,

Akhi, those other forums have specialist sections where experts can respond. Some of them are actually quite well known.

On Ummah they even have a mufti who has his own corner bro. Like I said bro Insha - I don't trust the members, except the ones I have gotten the chance to know over time, and remain in contact with outside of the forums - and I also trust the admins and mods who do the best jobs they can in keeping the community running as efficiently as possible - but to take everything one says on a forum as gospel is rubbish - and i stand by that. The whole purpose of this thread is to invite discussion... except the cold shoulder the OP got was something quite typical of the status quo I have sadly come to expect from some members here.

Would I have agreed with everything the OP wrote in his opening post, if I didn't sponsor the same understanding on the issue myself? No... of course not. So, to be clear - I agree with the OP's post.

I also agree that if the OP has taken this work from another site - then he should have credited the reference... it's not good to take credit for someone else's hard work.

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@Hammy: I just wanted to be clear, you said you wrote it, but you did not actually write it. It does matter that you be honest from the start. You will lose credibility, even if you are right on subjects, if you are not honest with the smallest of things.

I think the problem here is you should have posted in the intro section, rather than just coming out of nowhere with your views on things. And some members could have been more welcoming.

With that being said, welcome to the forum. Let's all try to get along please.





Alrt Insha bro what is wrong in doing research and finding some equivalent to your subject... and it dosent matter if some loses his credibilty and if you can see what i wrote regarding this, u wud've understood it... well i am not here to explain stuff and dosent matter if some one feels like that i am not honest, i am not here asking for charity or favor... motto is to show truth but some ppl will always look for faults cuz its against their desires...

Actually, i was not aware where to post it that's why i posted there, i am new so you should atleast consider that, will you?... and that was a sarcastic way to welcome Huh, i must say that....

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insha wrote:
Now I have to ask, you said you wrote that Q&A, now asralfarhi finds it on another website... did you actually write it?

Scimi, I thought you said not to trust any forum? Suddenly your alternative forums are better than this one and are somehow "more qualified"? I expected a little better from you than that. You know as much about the people on that board as you do about the ones on this one. That is, you know only what is shown to you.




Pardon the language.

:salaam:


Wassalaam,

Akhi, those other forums have specialist sections where experts can respond. Some of them are actually quite well known.

On Ummah they even have a mufti who has his own corner bro. Like I said bro Insha - I don't trust the members, except the ones I have gotten the chance to know over time, and remain in contact with outside of the forums - and I also trust the admins and mods who do the best jobs they can in keeping the community running as efficiently as possible - but to take everything one says on a forum as gospel is rubbish - and i stand by that. The whole purpose of this thread is to invite discussion... except the cold shoulder the OP got was something quite typical of the status quo I have sadly come to expect from some members here.

Would I have agreed with everything the OP wrote in his opening post, if I didn't sponsor the same understanding on the issue myself? No... of course not. So, to be clear - I agree with the OP's post.

I also agree that if the OP has taken this work from another site - then he should have credited the reference... it's not good to take credit for someone else's hard work.

Scimi



Brothers i never said i wrote it i said this was my research... pls do not make it an issue don't need your credits nor favor.. and obviously if we have doubt in Islam we go to Qur'an and Sunnah then we gather information and put it forward then will you say you wrote that? or then you'll take the credit of writing Qur'an and Sunnah... Nauzubillah!!! :x this post was clearly in against of people who calls other than Allah (swt) so that they should take heed and if not we are ready to answer their questions... so just chill brothers....

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Brothers i never said i wrote it i said this was my research... pls do not make it an issue don't need your credits nor favor.. and obviously if we have doubt in Islam we go to Qur'an and Sunnah then we gather information and put it forward then will you say you wrote that? or then you'll take the credit of writing Qur'an and Sunnah... Nauzubillah!!! :x this post was clearly in against of people who calls other than Allah (swt) so that they should take heed and if not we are ready to answer their questions... so just chill brothers....


No offence bro Hammy, but it did seem to me too, that you was implying that your initial first post was entirely researched by you. But all you really did, was copy paste it from another site - that hardly constitutes as research now does it? here, see for yourself akhi -

Hammy wrote:
molvicorleone wrote:
Salaams,
Welcome to the forum. You obviously feel strongly about this subject, so much so you chose to copy paste this article.
I'm guessing you're young. When you wise up a little you'll realise sectarian differences are not the way to go. You'll realise EVERYONE is wrong.....and then some.



AAH!!! "molvicorleone", bro that's my own research done a year ago.... that's not a copy paste material except Qur'an and Hadiths ref... that was a question asked by an ignorant dargah worshiper... and we all knw Prophet (saws) said out of 73 sects 72 are from Hell... so obviously all are wrong except 1... so do not assume things... :thumbdown:


Knigtrider95 needs to step in and post that "chill akhi" pic in this thread now. (smiles). Lol

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Hammy, how are you able to detect sarcasm in the written word? You are new here, and do not know me. Please do not reject my welcoming of you here in such a way.

I'm not looking for faults because something "is against my desire". It just seemed to me that you took credit for something which you did not write. It's not a big deal, please don't make it in to one.

You should consider that it does matter how people feel about you if you are trying to present the truth. The internet has real people on it, with real feelings. Just my bit of advice.

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:01 pm
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Actually brother Hammy, Rasool Allah(SAWS) says the dead can hear our footsteps.

If anyone wants to send Salams or Baraka on the dead, they do so by invoking Allah(SWT) to do it.

Just like when we are in Tashahud while in Salah. And I quote "Allahuma Sulee 3ala Muhammad Wa 'ala 'ali Muhammad..."

Or even before that when we say "A tahiyatuh wa lilatu wa salatuh wa tayibat, as salamu 3alayka anabiyu wa rahmitullahi wa barakatuh, as salamu 3alayna wa 3ala 'ibad il salaheen, ashhadu en la ilaha illallah wa ashhadu unnu muhammadun 'abadu wa rasooluhu."

Now this is done while in Salah. And our Salah's are for us as a means of Worship to Allah, expiation of our sins if He(SWT) chooses to accept, and spiritual rejuvenation. Our Salah's are not only such a means of Worship to Allah Ta'ala, but it is also a conversation with the Almighty Lord, Blessed Be He.

I like your post by the way.

Are you the Original Poster from the Website it came from?

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Scimitar wrote:
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Brothers i never said i wrote it i said this was my research... pls do not make it an issue don't need your credits nor favor.. and obviously if we have doubt in Islam we go to Qur'an and Sunnah then we gather information and put it forward then will you say you wrote that? or then you'll take the credit of writing Qur'an and Sunnah... Nauzubillah!!! :x this post was clearly in against of people who calls other than Allah (swt) so that they should take heed and if not we are ready to answer their questions... so just chill brothers....


No offence bro Hammy, but it did seem to me too, that you was implying that your initial first post was entirely researched by you. But all you really did, was copy paste it from another site - that hardly constitutes as research now does it? here, see for yourself akhi -

Hammy wrote:
molvicorleone wrote:
Salaams,
Welcome to the forum. You obviously feel strongly about this subject, so much so you chose to copy paste this article.
I'm guessing you're young. When you wise up a little you'll realise sectarian differences are not the way to go. You'll realise EVERYONE is wrong.....and then some.



AAH!!! "molvicorleone", bro that's my own research done a year ago.... that's not a copy paste material except Qur'an and Hadiths ref... that was a question asked by an ignorant dargah worshiper... and we all knw Prophet (saws) said out of 73 sects 72 are from Hell... so obviously all are wrong except 1... so do not assume things... :thumbdown:


Knigtrider95 needs to step in and post that "chill akhi" pic in this thread now. (smiles). Lol

Scimi



so what bro? you want to see the truth or you want to just make a laughing stock? i said this is my research yes i found it and i showed it... but you took it in a wrong way... my research dosent mean that i wrote this stuff... i dont understand why you guys are getting so obsessed??? and if you guys really thinks that i am the one who wants to take credit for this than you are wrong.... i request admin to pls remove this post because ppl are getting under wrong impression... By Allah, i never thought to get some favor or any credits nor any kind of show-off... never... i just wanted to show the truth... that's all i did... Admin pls do the needful.... i don't know ppl over here are just for fun not for gaining knowledge... sorry brothers, my bad!!!

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As salamou alaycoom.

I think everyone got out what they wanted to say so this topic is now locked!

Once again brothers and sisters, please debate with humility with the intention of guiding your fellow brothers and sisters rather than humiliating them.

If you set out to respond in a derogatory or humiliating way, the person whom you are addressing will automatically put up their guard and your message won't be received.

Before you click on the 'submit' button for your post, just think, is this how the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) would respond.

I know no one is perfect, especially myself, but if we all make an effort to respond to posts with humility, more of our message will be received by the intended recipient insha Allah.

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