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Asselam Aleykum brothers and sisters,

I have the following question, is mathematics a sort of magic?
Example: 33.3 x 3 = 100 (commonly known rule in mathematics)

Are there brothers or sisters who researched this subject?
I need some islamic anwers.

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No not really, even though geometry is used in kabbalah, but mathmatics isn't a problem itself. Like algebra.

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Salaam,

Mathematics is a universal language, you have to understand that first. Everything in Allah subhana wa ta'aala's Creation has a means of numerical value to it, and to some extent, even numerical similarities. This is why certain things we are supposed to do have odd numbers behind them and others have even. Tough to explain and I'm not quite fit for describing it further as I'm no scholar, so I'll leave it alone and perhaps some others more knowledgeable and qualified may be able to explain it with more confidence and facts.

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Of course not bro, once you study it then it all makes sense.

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Mathematics is VERY important in everyday life. Its clean it not magic, and Oh yeah if you participate in sorcery or sihr then you have to Experiment with animal Faeces and do things which would lead to shirk, such as invoking jinn to aid you by doing stuff such as the one I mentioned above. (Though if you got an ability to enslave a jinn , and that jinn is your slave and not your master ; then it may be permissible who knows? :? Allahu Alim)




There is a strange wahabi/salafi video that I just saw today about how filthy the practices of sihr and magic does , here is the link http://www.islam-universe.com/Exorcism.html

Go down and watch Sorcerer's plot

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Excellent thread.

You cannot logically split a whole into three equal parts. 1 / 3 = 0.33 recurring.

But that doesn't mean that you can't work with the maths does it?

Maths is not a type of magic, but a type of logic.

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mathematics?! what sorcery is this?!


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Monsieur Poirot gonna investigate?

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oui monsieur..I must go collaborate with other WUP members and create an Arrivals sub series on the ominous powers of mathematics..


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I think you should definitely cover the whole "cabal magic squares and numbers in taweez" issue...

...that's one that needs some serious exposure akhi. You have my support.

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Scimitar wrote:
I think you should definitely cover the whole "cabal magic squares and numbers in taweez" issue...

...that's one that needs some serious exposure akhi. You have my support.

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Actually, I have been looking for that for a long time now with no luck. I have one that my mother gave to me but seeing as to how I can't read or write Urdu, I don't know what it says. If this won't get posted publicly, I would greatly appreciate some explanation at least privately inshallah. Thanks.

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I found about 5 in my parents house, and got into an argument with my mother over them being in the house.. sadly, our cultures have compromised much. It's time to revive the sunnah and to revive it with an infectious energy.

Ok, bro - let's start a new thread on the very topic of cabal magic numbers and taweez and get to the bottom of the darned issue.

There is a lot to consider, some truths are in Bro Muhammad's "Solomons Temple" series. But they barely touch on the subject. However, I'll see if I can dig up some info on it. What kind of info are you after in particular? Or shall we just start at the beginning and go from there?

If it's just general adivce on how to dispose of questionable taweez, then:

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To cancel the affect of Taweez, you should not simply throw them into the River, You should Open them with reciting Ayat-ul-Kursi continuously and You should be in a Clean state. Open the taweez one by one and Burn it. Or if it has the Text written with a soluble Ink then Dissolve it in Water on which you have recited Ayat-ul-kursi (verse 255: Surah Baqara). Best way still is to Burn them.

REMEMBER, if you throw the Taweez into a River then the affect will last as long as the taweez is in its original form. You Must cancel the affect as soon as possible.

Brother we are Muslims, Sunnah has many better and blessed ways to fulfill our dreams. You may pray for your father’s success and seek help from Allah instead of the Demons. & Indeed Allah is the Most Merciful.

http://www.jinndemons.com/question-i-wa ... of-taweez/


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people who dont have any experiance in these issues should be carefull in giving advice as you may cause more problems.
ignorance is dangerous in all cases

from a experianced brother abu musaab:

"How to dispose of a taweez properly

1. Only attempt to dismantle a taweez if you have prayer fajr and made adhkaar after (specifically 4th kalima x100 La ilha illallahu wah da hu la sharika la lahul mulku walahul hamdu wa huwa ala kulli shayin Qadeer)

2. Make wudu, read ayat al kursi.

3. Make ruqya water*

4. Pour the water into an ice cream tub or container.

5. Now you can begin to remove the item from its locket, leather case etc.

6. Make sure you collect everything- including the case, sting, wax and keep it all to soak together in ruqya water.

7. As your opening the taweez read last two quls and blow on it. Most taweez will be covered in a plastic wrapper, or sellotape. Take it out carefully. Untie the knots in the string or cut them.

8. Dont waste time trying to read it and understanding it, just soak it, making sure its completely submerged.

9. Close the lid saying bismillah

10. Place the container away from the house for a day or two. Then open the lid, throw away the content of it and the opened container into a flowing river, stream, canal etc.

If Allah Wills this will invalidate the taweez.

I heard from other brothers that in case of no ruqya water available its ok to use normal vinegar.
Allah Knows Best"

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.p ... of-taweeze


Oh, and bro, download this book pdf (its free): http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/Sword%2 ... icians.pdf

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Okay mathematics is officaly my brain eater. I kind of hate it but you can say it has its good things as well. Normally some mathematicians are very cranky and harsh. Had some experience with them.


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Bro Scimi

Did you just saw the video I posted? The Saudi one? Sorcerer's plot

When you talk of such occult mathematical formulae of sorcery: It comes to a form of these?

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Such complexity how do people know such things? And something caught my mind, why sorcery is rampant is Saudi Arabia? Do you know how such things do ?

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African ''sheikh'' or Mullah with a lot of Taweez

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Eerily this is actually quite common, seen Nazar's on Muslim houses,; even my Muslim friends in facebook read Horoscopes!!

I think this calculations and sorcery lore is the gateway of the Jinn; a distorted world where nothing has a physical form, albeit what happens in the material plane like emotions and such occult DO probably give the Jinn World some limited physical manifestations when they do enter the physical plane. Physics wise , my friend explained well of a dimension known as the 5th dimension which ignores all laws of physics as opposed to the 4 dimensional plane. Wallah this is making so much sense :o

And even the tabletop game I play pretty much speaks almost the same overtones; It is a work of fiction , but its themes are do really make sense it speaks a lot in the existence of such ''daemons'' and ''Warp Travel''
here is the description below:

The Immaterium (also referred to as the Empyrean, Aether or Warp) is an alternate dimension of purely psychic energy that echoes and underlies the familiar four dimensions of the material universe. It is the source of all psychic powers and known instances of so-called "sorcery" and the home dimension of the Chaos Gods and their myriad daemonic servants. Superficially, it is the Warhammer 40,000 solution to the problem of faster than light travel, an equivalent to the Star Wars universe's dimension of hyperspace. This function as a faster than light medium for travel is achieved by the Immaterium being a domain of pure psychic energy, with spacecraft navigating between currents, as in an ocean. The psychic energy that makes up the Immaterium is believed to be the direct result of the existence of sentience in the universe, in particular the Milky Way Galaxy. Considered to be a dark reflection of the material universe, the Warp is an ocean of chaos, raw emotion given energetic form. Stirred by emotion and action, the Immaterium is the true realm of Chaos, home to the dark gods who comprise the Ruinous Powers and their daemonic followers. It also is rumoured to house the spirits of the dead, and therefore can be considered the "Underworld" of the Warhammer 40,000 universe.

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Mathematics is a science it can't be magic lol i was shocked by your post
there was muslim scholars in mathematics just like Al-Khawarezmi who invented the 0

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Assalaam Alaikum bro Blackmatrix,

yup, those are the cabal magic squares.

For those of you who are confused a to why Quranic ayah are printed alongside cabal magic squares - know this. All magicians have their magic granted by Allahs will. But also know this - there is no place in heaven for the magician / sahir. His or her lot will be the hellfire - unless they repent. Trouble is - magicians are often very arrogant and their egos are just ridiculously large - the idea of repentance rarely enters their hearts. They wrong themselves.

Bro Ahmed the Gass...

Mathematics is logical, even though some math defies logic - as mentioned above in the 1 / 3 = 0.33recurring example - but is still workable inside mathematical theory...

...But numbers can be used for more than just math, as you can see with the examples given above. Magicians use cabal magic squares in taweez bro. They dupe Muslims into believing that the taweez will benefit them - and for sure, temporarily there will be some benefit - but in due course, the cons will far out weigh the pros of wearing such a talisman. And people have signed away years of their lives, investing imaan into a man made talisman instead of Allah, the Lord of All Creation.

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Bro Scimi...
if Mathematics are used in a bad way to do magic so the blame returns to the humans NOT to the math
Just like many other tools used in magic like: The nail, the salt... but yet we can use those tools in the positive way

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Bro, as I mentioned above - with relation to magic, maths cant do much... it's the use of numbers.... numbers don't get used mathematically in magic bro, they can be used to "bind". I dount you understand the term here. Anyway, hey can be used in ways you just won't understand - because you are not a magician... Thank Allah for that.

If you want details on how all this works, there a few books you can read. Like Sword against black magic and evil magicians, and a few others.

If you want the links, let me know and you can download them... but do read them bro, and don't post on topics you have no knowledge of. Unless it is to ask questions.

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... but yet we can use those tools in the positive way


No, we can't... we can use Rukya bro... that's what we can use.

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Mathematics is a science it can't be magic lol i was shocked by your post
there was muslim scholars in mathematics just like Al-Khawarezmi who invented the 0


by the way, he didn't invent it bro - he borrowed the idea - from the Hindu's. please learn your history better akhi.


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Give me the link

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