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subhanallah....

This is a very new news to me,untill now i havent heared like this....
There is one doubt from me....if mahdi resemble sayyed....and as per this theory i think he will know arabic well but may be he wont be able to write it.....

Allahu a'alam...

If your post is true....then it nullify the possibilty of habib ali jifri as imam mahdi...
But there is still possibilty for the prophesised yemeni....i dont argue for this....just one possibilty



Even this assignee of Shayk Nazim says the same thing that Imam Mahdi doesnt speak arabic. I am totally confused:

http://en.harunyahya.tv/videoDetail/Lan ... uct/31793/


All this confusion reminds me of another Hadith:

Narrated by Thoban(radi Allah Anho) that Dear Prophet Muhammad (Salallaho alayhay wa alay he wa sallam) (May blessing and peace from Allah be upon him) said that:" Black Flags will appear from the direction of the East and they will wage such terrible war with you as no nation has ever fought with you before. When you see them then give allegiance even if yuo have to crawl over ice to give allegiance to them because the Caliph of Allah , Mahdi is among them (Al-Asha-ah page 240)

Not to sound nationalist, but could it be that the Mahdi is deffinately a Syyed but born among the Pashtun people because he will be among the "black flags"? And in other Hadith its mentioned that he will wear "qutwani cloaks" .

Narrated Hazrat Umama reported Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wa alay he wa sallam) said: You and the Romans(Christians) will have four peace treaties *4. The fourth peace would be at the hand of a person who would be from the Al-e-Haroon( family of Prophet Haroon).This peace treaty would be for seven years. Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) was asked who would be the Imam of the Muslims at that time. Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said” That person would be from my family,his age would be 40 years ,his face would be bright as a start and a black spot would be on his right cheek.He would be wearing two Qutwani Cloaks.He will appear exactly as the person from Bani Israeel. He will rule for 20 years and will conquer the cities of the Mushrikeen(Idolaters) *5*5 (Ref: Kanz-ul-Aamal, Page 268, Hadith No 3868).

According to the reference of the Britannica 1997 :Qutwani cloaks resembles the "TALLIT" of present day as called by the Israelis.Both Qutwani cloak and TALLIT have fringes (tzitzit) on borders and its mostly made of Wool.. It generally falls across the head, neck, and shoulders. However the Qutwani cloak is larger and more conspicuous prayer shawl than the Tallit.

Now according to the Hadith there are “Two” Qutwani cloaks mentioned and are made of Wool (as many scholars described it ) and are wrapped around the body.Qutwani cloak is exactly like the cloaks worn by the Pashtoons of Afghanistan and Pakistan and its also worn in the same way like the Qutwani cloak described in the hadith and its explanation.

The Pashtuns wrap these cloak around them to protect them from cold weather and they have fringes on the borders.Infact these cloaks are often the necessary part of the Pashtun dress (In Contrast to the present day jews who wear the so called Tziitzit as a symbol and which are much smaller to be wrapped around the body.infact it has just become a something to show off by jews and not essential part of dress).

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whoever mehdi is one thing is sure...he will be a mujahid.as no common scholar or imam can lead muslims to greatest and final victory of all time....
and also as jews know a lot about occult and other knowledge so even before mehdis emergence they may try to find out who he is and try to harm him...so you will not be findind mehdi easily travelling to and fro from usa and around!!!!
anyway allah knows the best but one certain thing is that mehdi will be mujahid
one hadith says that go to mehdi even if you have to crawl over ice to reach him...allah knows best but if you know afghanistan geograprhy the afghnaistans most areas specially the ones in north have snow almost all year round...few other muslim nations are this cold.
when united states bombed tora bora in 2001 which is mountain range between pakistan and afghanistan than mujahideen had to escape this bombing by travelling in thick snow for days to reach pakistan...i still remember that locals told that those mujahideen who got martyred their bodies emitted noor and fragrance so local people found these bodies by their noor and buried them with respect


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“He (Hazrat Mahdi (as)) is someone who acquires the truth and closely resembles his forefather (Muhammad (saas)). He does not speak Arabic very well, but he is no different to him in moral terms. He will be of medium height. The age of property will come to an end with him, and sovereignty will end with him. He (Hazrat Mahdi (as)]) will have a helper called “Alive”. His essence is spiritual, his appearance is humane. (al-Jawab al-Mustaqim amma Seele anhu at-Tirmidhi al-Haqim, Bayazid, no: 3750, leaf 242b)


I dont see what everyone's arguing about. It doesnt say the mahdi will not know arabic, it says he wont speak it fluently, there's loads of arab borns and raised here in the UK and Europe that hardly speak a word of arabic, and some speak it only a little, so am not really surprised, to be frank I dont give a hoot whether he speaks Japanese or ancient egyptian language, I just want him to fulfill his role and get things done, As long as he maintains peace, I doubt anyones going to care what he speaks.

I heard that Esa peace be upon him spoke three languages, he's first langauge was aramiac, then he had to learn hebrew so he could read the torahs and the third language was Greek as the middle east back then was being dominated by romans ( :roll: ) and he needed to communicate with those stupid romans.

So if Esa spoke roman - greek and Musa spoke ancient egyptian then why couldnt the mahdi also speak English, I think perhaps he will, allah has a knack for putting he's chosen ones amidst the enemy so I wouldnt really be surprised if he was born and raised in america or Europe :lol:

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I am really troubled by some of the false hadith that are taken as the truth which state the Mahdi will suffer from stammer in his speech, be affected by facial twitches and other ridiculous physical deficiencies. These are outright lies that have infiltrated the Ummah to cause them to believe Imam Mahdi will suffer from various physical and mental weaknesses. So brothers/sisters please be careful about some of the total nonsense being posted on these forums and on the internet about our reiligion and our holy personages (peace be upon all of them).


I wouldn't rush to such hasty conclusions regarding these hadiths if I were you. Hz. Musa (as) was said to have had a speech impediment (and on top of that, if you believe the biblical accounts, his face was even scarred at one point), and Imam al-Mahdi will resemble Musa (as) in many ways. Why do you think the story of Musa (as) is so prevalent in the Qur'an, moreso than the stories of other Prophets? I believe that the Almighty (swt) is clearly warning us about the future and giving us hints.

The story of Imam Mahdi, Jesus (as), and the Dajjal is going to resemble what happened with Moses (as), Aaron (as), and the Pharaoh in many ways. History repeats itself - many of Sheikh Imran Hosein's lectures can shed further light on this.

Conclusions, such as the one you have made, will be among the reasons why so many Muslims will reject Imam Mahdi - you're literally expecting an infallible superman with uncanny abilities, when in fact, Imam Mahdi will be a regular mortal (albeit a great one)
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I respect Sheikh Imran Hosein but I don't consider him as an absolute authority on Imam Mahdi (AS).

Certainly the historical situation regarding Musa (A.S.) is a similar scenario with what Imam Mahdi (AS) will be facing and unfortunately, the harsh truth is, many muslims will reject Imam Mahdi (AS) including a huge prominent amount of highly learned clerics/scholars because doubt will enter their hearts and they will reject the teachings and knowledge imparted from the Mahdi (AS) as the new rules will be very difficult to conform with.

Too many people are rooted too far into their comfort zones and for them to adjust to a radical new way of life as our Holy Prophet (SAW) originally intended by the Order of Allah (SWT) including being told to rid their beliefs on some of the false hadith and stories (which are now considered as a given), it will lead to a lot of muslims completely rejecting the Mahdi(AS) and will drive them into kuffar.

So the lesson for all brothers and sisters is, make sure you're prepared to accept the truth at the time if one is lucky enough to be alive because the Mahdi (AS) will be 100% able to prove who he is and Allah (SWT) will Assist in providing the evidence to the world. Yes, the Mahdi (AS) will be mortal like you and I, but only in the sense that he will pass away on this earth like any other human. Whether you like it or not, he will be infallible and will most definately have superior intelligence and abilities like none seen since the time of the Holy Prophet (SAW) and his beloved family (peace be upon them all). What he will teach will revolutionize every branch of knowledge which is why once evil is defeated, society will start to perfect itself and reach the peaks of their potential as Allah (SWT) Willed it to be.

Everyone is on a journey to complete their life as successfully as possible in order to become a winner in the hereafter. If you have a clear mind; a generous and sincere heart with love for mankind irrespective of creed and colour; are able to distinguish or make the effort in distinguishing between what is truth and what is false especially when it comes to our beautiful religion, be able to recognise justice and injustice, the Almighty Allah (SWT) will eventually Guide you to the right way.

But no matter how pious or righteous one think's they are or whatever so called sect they attach themselves to, if you have no respect or love for the Holy Prophet (SAW) & his Ahlul Bayt (PBUT) and you are one of those who thinks the Holy Prophet (SAW) was just an "ordinary being" who made mistakes like ordinary humans, you will never ever reach the truth. You will be condemned to a life of ignorance and superficial Islamic practice.

I say that with such conviction that on the Day Of Judgement, if you think I speak an outrageous lie, you can ask for me to be hauled in front of Allah (SWT) and be put into hell for misleading you. :D


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Shaikh Ibn Arabi Sufi was a Kafir


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Shaikh Ibn Arabi Sufi was a Kafir





Ibne Arabi SUFI KAFIR!!! :mrgreen:

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No joke brother, its true see it urself

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/sufism/unde ... _arabi.htm

I am disappointed to see people quoting some really sick person of earlier generation :(

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ahh we are in the 21 century and we are discussing that "will mihdi speak Arabic"

shame on you

whatever he speak God knows the best and he knows what is in better for us

so stop thinking about this silly subject what ever he from or spoke i will follow him because that is what Allah have ordered me and he is my savoir not because he is a sunni or shia Arab or not

this is what dajjal wants we fight over the silly stuffs and forget our common ground and what's really important ! :@


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Assalam 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullah,

Fully agree with bro abdo123, but to add to that, we're discussing hadith whilst we don't even know normal arabic, let alone the classic complex arabic spoken at the time of the prophet Muhammad (Salallahu 'Alayhi wa Sallam). You think you can interpret/understand ahadeeth by just reading the translation of it??!

We're certainly missing steps in ways to gain knowledge.

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:eh: Why is this even in the Breaking News section?


Topic to be moved to The Character of the End Times. Al Mahdi section.

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Hammy wrote:
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Shaikh Ibn Arabi Sufi was a Kafir




Ibne Arabi SUFI KAFIR!!! :mrgreen:


If you plan on bringing the Takfeeri creed, WUP Forum is not the right place to do it.....
A friendly reminder just in case we forget:

Imam Malik said, “If I have 99 reasons to believe a person is a kafir and one to believe he is not, I’ll prefer the latter.”


Ibn Umar (peace be upon him) said:

The Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said,
"When a person calls his brother (in Islam) a disbeliever, one of them will certainly deserve the title, If the addressee is so as he has asserted, the disbelief of the man is confirmed, but if it is untrue, then it will revert to him."


[Al-Bukhari and Muslim]


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Clearly a matter not something to be hurling around freely.....

Who is MUHYIDDEEN IBN ARABI rahimahullah?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Arabi


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asralfarhi wrote:
Hammy wrote:
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Shaikh Ibn Arabi Sufi was a Kafir




Ibne Arabi SUFI KAFIR!!! :mrgreen:


If you plan on bringing the Takfeeri creed, WUP Forum is not the right place to do it.....
A friendly reminder just in case we forget:

Imam Malik said, “If I have 99 reasons to believe a person is a kafir and one to believe he is not, I’ll prefer the latter.”


Ibn Umar (peace be upon him) said:

The Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said,
"When a person calls his brother (in Islam) a disbeliever, one of them will certainly deserve the title, If the addressee is so as he has asserted, the disbelief of the man is confirmed, but if it is untrue, then it will revert to him."


[Al-Bukhari and Muslim]


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Clearly a matter not something to be hurling around freely.....

Who is MUHYIDDEEN IBN ARABI rahimahullah?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Arabi




Who is Ibn al-'Arabi???

Abu Bakr Muhammad Ibn al-'Arabi al-Hatimi al-Tai -called Muhyi al-Din ("Reviver of the Faith") by a specific group of Muslims- was born in Murcia in southern Spain, to an Arab family. Some claim that he had a vision ordering him to depart for the East where he was to spend the rest of his days. He died in year 638H. Some also called him "The Greatest Sheikh" (al-Sheikh al-Akbar). Ibn 'Arabi authored many works, including his "Makkan Revelations" and “Beads of Wisdom”.

Historical Background: Ibn Arabi lived during the end of the 6th century and the beginning of the 7th century. That era was filled with tribulation, commotion, and political instability. The Muslim lands were attacked from the east by the Mongols who captured Baghdad –the seat of the Muslim khalifah- in the year 656H. At the same time, the Crusaders were invading the Muslim lands from the north and north west. They captured parts of what is known today as Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, and Egypt. The rest of the Muslim world was divided to the point that some cities and towns were considered independent states. This was the situation of the Ummah when Ibn Arabi and other figures like Ibn al-Fardh spread their “new thought”.

Before continuing, it is worth mentioning here that some early figures like al-Hallaj had come up with some foreign concepts as well. Al-Hallaj stated that Allah dwells in objects, a concept known as “Hulool”. If one applies this concept, one is falsely lead to believe that all the idol worshippers of the world are sinless. According to this concept, since Allah dwells in objects, all idol worshippers are actually worshipping Allah. In real terms, this is an excuse for the greatest Shirk of worshipping anything other than Allah. Fortunately, Al-Hallaj appeared at a time in which the Muslim state was strong and knowledge was widespread so scholars at his time exposed his extreme deviant thoughts and the Muslim governor at that time ordered him to be executed in the year 309 H. This is the prescribed punishment in Islamic Law for apostasy (committing an act that takes one out of the folds of Islam)

Ibn Arabi’s creed: The concept of Hulool is -in a sense- a stepping stone to the concept of Oneness of Being or “Wahdat al-Wujud” that Ibn Arabi advocated. In simple terms, Oneness of Being means that none exists but Allah, so everything one sees is Allah or a manifestation of Allah and this is the Tawheed (oneness or unity) according to some extreme Sufis.

What do the scholars say about Ibn Arabi?
(http://www.allaahuakbar.net/scholars/ya ... e_sufi.htm): Some argue that there is some controversy about Ibn Arabi, but the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of the scholars considered him a kafir or a heretic and evil to say the least. Many Muslims scholars had issued fataawa (Islamic rulings) stating that Ibn Arabi’s work is nothing but plain Kufr (apostasy) and they considered him as a kafir (an apostate). Of special importance is the work of Imam Burhan al-Din al-Biqa‘i (d. 885). He wrote a book entitled Tanbih al-Ghabi ila Takfir Ibn ‘Arabi wa Tahdhir al-‘Ibad min Ahl al-‘Inad (“Warning to the Ignoramus Concerning the Declaration of Ibn ‘Arabi’s Disbelief, and Cautioning the Servants of Allah Against Stubborn People”) in which he quotes many fataawa (Islamic rulings) by scholars from different madhabs stating that Ibn Arabi is a kaafir.

Some Sufis argued that the critiques of Ibn Arabi did not understand his work because of its depth, and hence a reader needs a sheikh to be able to comprehend Ibn Arabi’s work. This argument is rejected not only because his works testify that his creed is plain kufr, but also because those who criticized Ibn Arabi and declared him as a deviant are scholars of high caliber. Among those scholars are:

1. Al’izz Ibn Abdul salam (d 660 H): He said about Ibn Arabi “An evil liar sheikh who claims that this world is eternal (i.e. was not created by Allah) and embraces promiscuity.”

2. Ibn Taymiyyah (d 728 H): He extensively discussed the arguments of ibn Arabi and refuted them.

3. As-Subki (d 756 H)

4. Ibn Katheer (d 774 H)

5. Adh-Dhahabi (d 748 H) said: “If Ibn Arabi’s book (Beads of wisdom) does not contain clear Kufr, then there is no Kufr in the world.”

6. Ibn Hajar (d 852 H)

7. ‘Ala’ al-Di Al-Bukhari Al-Hanafi declared that: “The one who does not consider Ibn Arabi a kaafir (non-Muslim), then he himself is a kaafir!”

To see some of Ibn Arabi’s works visit the following web sites: (or read below)

http://bewley.virtualave.net/fusus.html (http://bewley.virtualave.net/fusus.html)

http://members.aol.com/heraklit1/Ibnarabi.htm (http://members.aol.com/heraklit1/ibnarabi.htm)

Examples from Ibn Arabi’s works:

The purpose of the following examples is to show beyond the shadow of a doubt what the creed of Ibn Arabi is. These comments by him can be found at: http://bewley.virtualave.net/fusus.html

1. His source of knowledge: He claims at the beginning of his book Fusus al-Hikam (Beads of Wisdom) that he got that book from the Prophet SAAWS. He also claims that he got the knowledge from the “Mother of the Book”. In the Noble Quran Verse 39, Surah 13, the Mother of the Book is the Preserved Tablet or Al-Lauh Al-Mahfuz. Ibn Arabi says:

There is a seal for each wisdom. So I have condensed these wisdoms according to what is established in the Mother of the Book, and I compiled with what was written out for me, and stopped at what was set as a limit for me

Worse than this, he even claims that he speaks to Allah directly.

2. Ibn Arabi criticizes Noah as a messenger: Found under section: "The Seal of the Wisdom of the Breath of Divine Inspiration in the Word of Nuh (Noah)" (http://bewley.virtualave.net/fusus3.html)

Ibn Arabi accused Prophet Noah (AS) of being ignorant of the proper way to convey the message:

So "there is nothing like Him" unified several matters in one single matter. If Nuh had articulated something like of this âyat, his people would have responded to him, because it contains connection and disconnection in a single âyat, rather in half an âyat.

Although Allah SWT clearly states that the people of Noah had belied the messengers (see for example, Verse 105, Surah 26), Ibn Arabi claimed they answered the call of Noah. Ibn Arabi said:

Then he said of himself that he called upon them that He might forgive them, not that He be unveiled to them. They understood that from him. That is why "they put their fingers in their ears and wrapped themselves in their clothes," (71:7) and this is the form of veiling to which he called them. So they answered his call by action, not by saying, "At your service."

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Also, he claims that anything that is being worshipped has an aspect from Allah in it. This is in conformance with his deviant creed according to which nothing exists –in the whole universe- but Allah. So according to Ibn Arabi, the idols that used to be worshipped by Noah’s people were in fact a part of Allah and hence deserved to be worshipped. In this regard he said:

They said in their plotting, "Do not abandon your gods. Do not abandon Wadd or Suwa' or Yaghuth or Ya'uq or Nasr." (71:22)

Then they abandoned them ignorant of the Truth according to what they left of the idols. Allah has an aspect in every worshipped thing. Whoever recognizes it recognizes, and whoever is ignorant of it is ignorant among the people of Muhammad.

To support such a concept, Ibn Arabi misinterpreted Verse 23 in Surah 17 in which Allah says: “And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him”

The key word here is “decreed” which means in this context “ordered or commanded”. Ibn Arabi uses it to mean “to write as a divine decree that is bound to be fulfilled so nothing other than Allah could or ever will be worshipped. Based on this incorrect understanding, one reaches the false conclusion that whatever idols people might worship, these idols are manifestations of Allah SWT.

3. Ibn Arabi declares the worshipers of the Golden Calf were not committing shirk.

Found under section: "The Seal of the Wisdom of the Imam in the Word of Harun (Aaron)" (http://bewley.virtualave.net/fusus24.html)

Ibn Arabi talks about the calf that the followers of Moses worshipped:

Musa knew the matter better than Harun because by his knowledge he knew the One the people of the Calf worshipped since Allah decreed that only He would be worshipped. When Allah decrees something, it must occur. Musa chided his brother Harun since the business consisted of disavowal and inadequacy. The gnostic is the one who sees Allah in everything, rather he sees Him as the source of everything. Musa was teaching Harun with the instruction of knowledge even though Musa was younger than him in age.
In other words, according to Ibn Arabi, the One the people of the Calf worshipped is not the Calf but rather it was Allah manifesting Himself in the form of the Calf. This is the reality of the concept of “Oneness of Being” as understood by Ibn Arabi and other Sufis like Ibn al-Fardh.

Ibn Arabi discusses the story of the Calf that Samiri made and called the Children of Israel to worship. Ibn Arabi said: So he [Musa][1] (http://www.allaahuakbar.net/SUFISM/unde ... .htm#_ftn1) burned it (the golden calf) and then scattered the ashes of that form in the sea. He told the Samiri, "Behold your god." He called it a god to alert him in order to teach him that he did know some of the places of divine tajalli

Ibn Arabi is claiming that Musa admitted that the Calf was indeed a god because it was a place where God made tajalli i.e. manifested Himself.

4. Ibn Arabi declares the Pharaoh died a believer (Muslim)

Found under section: "The Seal of the Wisdom of Sublimity in the Word of Musa (Moses)" (http://bewley.virtualave.net/fusus25.html)

Ibn Arabi says: The consolation of Pharaoh was with the belief Allah gave him when he was drowning. So Allah took him pure and purified. There was no impurity in him since He took him in his belief before he had acquired any wrong actions. Islam effaces what was before it. He made him a sign of His concern so that none might despair of the mercy of Allah, for "no one despairs of solace from Allah except for the unbelievers." (12:87) If Pharaoh been of those who despair, he would not have embarked on belief.
The above statement of Ibn Arabi is a clear contradiction to the following Qur'ânic verses:

“And indeed We sent Musa with our Ayat and a manifest authority, To Pharaoh and his chiefs, but they followed the command of Pharaoh, and the command of Pharaoh was no right guide. He will go ahead of his people on the Day of Resurrection, and will lead them into the Fire…” (Surah Hud 11:96-98)

[1] (http://www.allaahuakbar.net/SUFISM/unde ... m#_ftnref1) Prophet Moses SAAWS


http://www.allaahuakbar.net/SUFISM/unde ... _arabi.htm

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asralfarhi wrote:
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Shaikh Ibn Arabi Sufi was a Kafir




Ibne Arabi SUFI KAFIR!!! :mrgreen:


If you plan on bringing the Takfeeri creed, WUP Forum is not the right place to do it.....
A friendly reminder just in case we forget:

Imam Malik said, “If I have 99 reasons to believe a person is a kafir and one to believe he is not, I’ll prefer the latter.”


Ibn Umar (peace be upon him) said:

The Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said,
"When a person calls his brother (in Islam) a disbeliever, one of them will certainly deserve the title, If the addressee is so as he has asserted, the disbelief of the man is confirmed, but if it is untrue, then it will revert to him."


[Al-Bukhari and Muslim]


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Clearly a matter not something to be hurling around freely.....

Who is MUHYIDDEEN IBN ARABI rahimahullah?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Arabi



I really appreciate your thinking brother but the problem is the disbeliever don't know himself/herself what they are and if someone tells them they become arrogant... not pointing anyone... no.... whoever says or have faith that everything is Allah (swt) than he/she is surely a disbeliever and whoever doubts it is also.... u no wt i am talkin about... :D

that wiki says about this Ibn Arabi: "I met Khidr in Qūs al-haniyya in Seville, and he said to me: 'Accept what the Shaykh says!' I immediately turned to the Shaykh ‘Uryabī and before I spoke he said: 'O Muḥammad, does that mean that every time you contradict me, I will have to ask Khidr to instruct you in submission to the masters?' I replied: 'Master, was that person Khidr?' He answered: 'Yes!' (I, 331; Addas 63)

Now Khidr (as) was a Messenger of Allah (swt) came during Prophet Moosa (as).... (but some say at the time of Ibrahim (as), Allah knows best).... how in this world can someone meet a Messenger who died such a loooooooong time ago or dreamed about him....??? was he sure that guy was Khidr (as)??? :think: .... This is it! to become a Sufi you have to "LIE" that you have some connections with Khidr (as) and he lives in water... otherwise... NO SUFI... :thumbdown:

Qur'an says Chapter # 39, Verse # 30, Truly (O Muhammad) you will die, (one day) and truly they (too) will die (one die).... This Aqeeda is AGAINST QUR'AN.... Hence Sufi's are, No Doubt... :D

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Hammy wrote:
Now Khidr (as) was a Messenger of Allah (swt) came during Prophet Moosa (as).... (but some say at the time of Ibrahim (as), Allah knows best).... how in this world can someone meet a Messenger who died such a loooooooong time ago or dreamed about him....??? was he sure that guy was Khidr (as)??? :think: .... This is it! to become a Sufi you have to "LIE" that you have some connections with Khidr (as) and he lives in water... otherwise... NO SUFI... :thumbdown:

Qur'an says Chapter # 39, Verse # 30, Truly (O Muhammad) you will die, (one day) and truly they (too) will die (one die).... This Aqeeda is AGAINST QUR'AN.... Hence Sufi's are, No Doubt... :D


Perhaps you could reeducate us how Sayyiduna Khidr is NOT connected with water.....as in Surah Al-Kahfi; Where did Prophet Musa alaihi salam meet him anyway?

How do you even know for sure that Sayyiduna Khidr is 'dead'?

There are matters of the DEEN, where Logical Thinking does NOT carry an iota of meaning nor having much value....if you're so intent on labeling Ibn Arabi rahimahullah as a kafir, then you'd be ready to contend with Muhyideen at-Taifee during Sayyiduna Mahdi's time - won't be pretty.

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asralfarhi wrote:
Hammy wrote:
Perhaps you could reeducate us how Sayyiduna Khidr is NOT connected with water.....as in Surah Al-Kahfi; Where did Prophet Musa alaihi salam meet him anyway?


"So when they had reached the junction of the two (seas) they forgot their fish, and it took its way into the sea, being free. But when they had gone farther, he said to his servant: Bring to us our morning meal, certainly we have grown fatigued from our journey. He said: Did you see when we took refuge on the rock then I forgot the fish, and nothing made me forget to speak of it but Satan, and it found its way into the river; what a wonder! He said: This is what we have been seeking; so they returned through retracing their footsteps. "Then they found one from among Our servants whom We had granted mercy from Us and whom We had taught knowledge from Ourselves". (Surat al-Kahf, 61-65)

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How do you even know for sure that Sayyiduna Khidr is 'dead'?

There are matters of the DEEN, where Logical Thinking does NOT carry an iota of meaning nor having much value....if you're so intent on labeling Ibn Arabi rahimahullah as a kafir, then you'd be ready to contend with Muhyideen at-Taifee during Sayyiduna Mahdi's time - won't be pretty.

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Where i used my logic? Qur'an is telling us that "every soul will taste dead"... that goes for all, laymen, knowledgeable, students, Dai', scholars, Ulemas, also Prophets.... so whoever says he meet a prophet after his death, indeed he is a liar....

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Prophets, Sahabah and Awliya' Al-Kiram aren't really dead in their graves are they? Testament by the known fact that their bodies do not rot in the graves like normal people when they tasted death....

Having said that, what would stop them from communicating with spiritually adept people?

Oh btw, Sayyiduna Khidr alaihi salam is one of the many helpers of Sayyiduna Mahdi alaihi salam, put the Sleepers of the Cave in that distinguished list of helpers too....


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Here's a good one, there's actually a book written by Imam As-Suyuti rahimahullah titled;

"REMINDING THE IDIOT ABOUT CALLING IBN 'ARABI A KAFIR"

Look it up sometime.....



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EternalSoul wrote:
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I have informed you people now about this conman ,so dont come and say that you werent warned. ;)


wow..i was almost believing him..thank you so much. 8-)



SubhanAllah!

Allah is protecting you and others from beeing deceived by mini dajjals like the jew guy who claims/pretends to be the Mahdi.




Mecca is not a shia city, nor was it a muslim city when the Prophet(s) proclaimed his Mission to the kafirs. This is a wrong way of speculating. Mecca has shias living within it, and we have in our traditions that when the Mahdi(a) emerges, Allah will gather his companions from around the world within a moment. Those sleeping in their beds would suddenly be found having disappeared. Some will go to him using tayy-ul ardh, a gift bestowed upon the close of Allah to traverse the Earth quickly.

Right now you are seeing these wacko hooligans using the banner of la ilaha ilallah taking over Syria, not enemies of Israel as they proudly proclaim, and the Alliance forces of UN laying camps at the borders of Syria saying if a civil war occurs, they would support the rebels, from among these three banners would occur fighting over Syria to take over it, and Sufyani's banner would emerge victorious who would then send one army to Iraq causing violent mayhem and deaths at Kufa and other cities, until the Khorasani repels them to retreat (which would be Iran, the most advanced Muslim army that is the major thorn in eye of the West), and the other army would head over to Hijaz because they would have been informed of the sighting of the Mahdi. And it is this army that would sink into the land between Mecca and Medinah. And the Yamani's army would rise from Yemen, and go first join the Mahdi from the South, and the Mahdi will not depart Mecca until he has 10000 under him. Later the Mahdi's army will get allegiance from the Khorasani's army , and this would then let him face the Sufyani and conquer Syria.

Sufyani rises in Rajab, if you don't see three banners rise fight over Syria this Rajab, then wait for the next. Sufyani rises in Rajab, and then in the month of Ramadhan a voice from the sky announces to all that their Imam is here, announcing him and his father's name. Then in Muharram does the Mahdi come public.

If you don't see the rise of Yamani from Yemen and the rise of Sufyani from Syria, then know that the zuhoor of the Mahdi has not materialized, for the former two are definite signs of his reappearance.

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SanaSarwar wrote:
u know i have all these weird qs. in my mind regarding Hazrat Isa A.s. too ... i always say ...he use to speak in Aramaic ...now all the languages are new ...which language will he speak?


Aramaic and Arabic share the same roots, they are sister languages much like Urdu and Hindi. The biblical scholars go to Arabs who speak the classical Arabic to have their biblical Aramiac texts explained properly.

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