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Salaam,

I am in the process of writing an article on the prophecies from the Ahlul Bayt (as) concerning the Sufyani, who I believe will emerge this month in Syria, leading up to the faraj of al Hujjat al Qa'im bil Haqq min Al-e Muhammad (atfs). The following is the link to my blog on the topic:

http://allah2012.blogspot.com/2012/05/syria-this-month-in-prophecy-evil.html

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This needed deep cleaning and this is as deep as it gets.

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Absolutely disgusting

It is from this accursed family line, damned by Allah (swt) in the Holy Qur’an as an “accursed tree” (Surah al ‘Isra, 17:60, Surah Ibrahim 14:26), that the Sufyani emerges


NO, the tree in question does not refer to the sufiyani family tree and Islam never teaches such filth against family trees. In Islam, your bloodline doesn't make you cursed or righteous. Afterall, aren't we all descendants of Adam AS? or did you forget this?


The meaning of tree refers to the individual person and his/her deeds. An 'accursed tree' being the person who has no root (ie belief in Allah) and gives no fruit (good deeds).


Prophet SAW had many enemies but he did not pray for their destruction, instead he prayed that they come to Islam, if not, then at least their children come to Islam (fulfilled).

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The tafsir of 17:60 as the “accursed tree” referring to the Banu Umayyah is in Sunni sources, its asbabun nuzul was Muhammad (sawaws) having dreamt of them jumping like monkeys on his pulpit:

Regarding the accursed tree mentioned in Holy Quran (17:60) Ibn Abi Hatim has related from Ba'adli bin Murrah that the Holy Prophet (s) said:

"The accursed tree denotes Hakam and his offspring".
Tafseer Dur al Manthur, Volume 5 page 309

We also read in the same book:

“Ibn Abi Hatim narrated from Ibn Umar [ra] said: ‘One day the Holy Prophet [s] dreamt that Hakam bin al-Aas's sons are jumping like monkeys on his (Prophet's) pulpit. Then Allah revealed {and We did not make the vision which We showed you but a trial for men and the cursed tree} meant by it al-Hakam and his son."

From http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/who_really_killed_uthman/en/chap4.php

By God, I heard the Messenger of God say something very
similiar. I heard him ( Peace be upon him and his Cleansed Progeny ) say :

The Children of Omayyad shall ascend to my pulpit. I have seen them
in my dreams jumping on my puplit like monkeys.


Then the Prophet said that the following verse was revealed about the
Omayyads :

And We made that dream, which We have shown you, only as a test
to the people and the cursed tree in the Quran ...


Sunni reference :

- Ibn Abi al-Hadid in his Sharh, v3, p81
Printed by Mohammad Ali Subaih in Egypt

- Imam Fakhr ad Din al-Razi in his commentaries of the Holy Quran
Chapter 17, v5, pp 413 - 414
Second Printing by al-Matbaah al-Sarafeyah 1304 H

From http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter10/7.html

Yazid b. Muawiyah – A Branch of the Cursed Tree

“… And We did not make the vision which We showed you but a trial for men and the cursed tree in Quran as well?”
(Surah Bani Israel (17): 60)
Tabari, explaining the revelation of this verse, has documented a dream that the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) had wherein the children of Hakam b. Abi Aas (from the family of Umayya) were jumping up and down upon his pulpit like monkeys. This dream upset the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) so much that he never laughed again.
Tafsir-e-Tabari, vol 15, pg 177; Al-Durr al-Mansur, vol 4, pg 191
Aaesha told Marwaan b. Hakam that Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) told her:
‘The ‘cursed tree’ in the Quran implies you (i.e. Marwan b. Hakam and his family).’
Al-Durr al-Mansur, vol 4, pg 191

From http://theenemiesofislam.blogspot.com/


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Unread post Re: Sufyani's rise this month in Syria - Rajab 1433 - May 20
which sunni? too many different sub-sects, quit being ignorant.
You need to be careful. By accusing every single person to have come from that 1 bloodline as 'cursed' is a grave mistake and I reject your claim that Prophet SAW ever directly cursed any bloodline.

Here's a sunni source.


17:60
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option ... &Itemid=72
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Tree of Zaqqum


14:26
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option ... &Itemid=69


now both tafsirs contain the direct opinion of ibn Abbas RA whilst yours just don't add up at all.


Here's your logic

Dajjal will come from the bloodline of Yaqub AS. Therefore the bloodline of Yaqub AS is cursed. This is your ultimately logic, when you simplify it.

or

Isa AS will come from the 'blessed, pure' bloodline of Yaqub AS.

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i dont think all of the Bani Umayya are cursed for instance Muawiyah son of Yazid and Umer bin Abdul Aziz (caliph)(there might be others) they were among the righteous people...it can be said that there are some cursed blood lines because there are the noble ones too like Imam Ali used to say for the Prophet (pbuhf) that he was of the noblest creed/bloodline...

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yet there are hadith telling us the Prophet's SAW parents are in Hell
Book 004, Number 2130:

Abu Huraira reported: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) visited the grave of his mother and he wept, and moved others around him to tears, and said: I sought permission from my Lord to beg forgiveness for her but it was not granted to me, and I sought permission to visit her grave and it was granted to motel So visit the graves, for that makes you mindful of death.


perhaps by 'noble' he meant they were from a respected tribe.

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yes its true that islam does not curse a whole bloodline.islam is as far from nationalism and tribalism as it is possible!
so whoever curses a whole blood line ,than this must be not genuine rawaayats


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molvicorleone wrote:
yet there are hadith telling us the Prophet's SAW parents are in Hell
Book 004, Number 2130:

Abu Huraira reported: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) visited the grave of his mother and he wept, and moved others around him to tears, and said: I sought permission from my Lord to beg forgiveness for her but it was not granted to me, and I sought permission to visit her grave and it was granted to motel So visit the graves, for that makes you mindful of death.


perhaps by 'noble' he meant they were from a respected tribe.


There are 3 viewpoints about that ;

1-All scholar of shia and some researcher of sunnis are believing ancestors of prophet muhammad PBUH were theist (prophet Abraham bloodline and his sequence).

2-Some of sunnis scholar are believing that prophet's parent were mushrik and they will be in hell, but for proving that, they are narrating some hadith which not really sure

3-Some are believing parent of prophet muhammad PBUH were mushrik but the prophet PBUH has revived them so they trust him and were muslim then again died (but this also couldn't to be a true)

Ibn taymiyyah also believed prophet's father was with kuffar (but he has a contrast in his talks)

In his book ;
- tawassul to his (prophet PBUH) dua and his intermediacy (shfa'at) just is particular to believers so his intermediacy is not resulting about kuffar & hypocrites. so prophet can not do dua for forgiveness of his uncle and father and other kuffar (Ibn taymiyyah is continuing) sometimes prophet PBUH did pray for some of kuffar that Allah swt guide him or give him blessing such he did pray for Abu huraira's mother and god, guide her and for abu huraira's tribe (Dosa) so allah guided them.(clear contrast but there is a question that did god accpets dua for abu huraira's mother and tribe but doesn't accept a dua for prophet's father, uncle, mother ,etc ) //majmu al-fatawa v1p145 // wa al-tawassul wa al-vasilah p 7

Question ; are prophet's parent in the hell ?

No

Tafsir al - razi (written by fakhr razi) - al-razi v13p39
-One of the reason is a saying of allah swt ;
Who sees you (O Muhammad SAW) when you stand up (alone at night for Tahajjud prayers). (26:218) And your movements among those who fall prostrate (to Allâh in the five compulsory congregational prayers). (26:219) (الذي يراك حين تقوم * وتقلبك في الساجدين).
mean of this verse is ; the soul of prophet PBUH was transferred from everyone who fall prostrate
(fakhr razi is continuing )
-Also one of the reason predicate that even one of the prophet's fathers wasn't mushrik is according to his (prophet) saying which ones said : i was transferred continuous from loin of a chaste men to uterus of a chaste women. and allah swt has said : (يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِنَّمَا ٱلۡمُشۡرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ۬) The idolaters only are unclean (10:28) and this reason will need to say so ; even one of an ancestors of prophet was not mushrik.

Tafsir al-alwasi v7p195
Alwasi has said;
-Among of the prophet's ancestors wasn't an one kafir, cuz this saying is belonging to him which says ; i was transferred continuous from loin of a chaste men to uterus of a chast women. and The idolaters are unclean (10:28) and that we say purpose of the chaste men and chaste women just is a clean of the industry , it's not a right reason but the main point is a general of the word, chaste (clean from everything) no just a specific aspect.

Also there are too safe document that does prove this issue

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Unread post Re: Sufyani's rise this month in Syria - Rajab 1433 - May 20
molvicorleone wrote:
perhaps by 'noble' he meant they were from a respected tribe.



even if it means 'respected' then in this case the cursed would mean 'undeserving respect'....

though Allah in Quran says about Prophet Muhammad pbuhf, "Wa taqallubaka fis sajideen" (surah Shuara ayah 19)
that "And your turning over and over among those who prostrate themselves before Allah." This turning over and over is about transferring Prophet(pbuhf) from loins of men and wombs of women who prostrated to Allah...if they were kafirs, they would never have prostrated to Allah... as the brother above said.

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Here are some more, similar hadith to one posted above.

“I have been sent as a Nabi in the best of all the generations of Adam’s offspring, generation after generation, until I came to be in the generation that I came to be”

“I was cast into the clay of Adam and was the promise of my father Ibrahim and the good news of `Isa ibn Maryam”

"When Allah created Adam, He made me descend to the earth in his loins. He put me in the loins of Nuh in the Ark and cast me into the fire in the loins of Ibrahim. Then he continued to move me from noble loins to pure wombs until He brought me out from my parents. None of them ever met in fornication.”

"Verily Allah chose Isma'il from the progeny of Ibrahim; and chose Banu Kinanah from the progeny of Isma'il; and chose the Quraysh from Banu Kinanah; and chose Banu Hashim from the Quraysh; and chose me from Banu Hashim



I understand that some of you are interpreting these hadith to prove Prophet SAW came from a 'pure' bloodline of MUSLIMS.

Yet above it mentions a lineage beginning from Adam AS to Nuh AS and Ibrahim AS. If this is true then why is it the father of Prophet Ibrahim AS was a clear kafir?

So then in order to justify your own interpretations you think it's worthwhile to dismiss another hadith as false.

Furthermore if Prophet SAW's ancestors were not Polythiests, then it obviously means his grandfather was also a believer aswell as his own father. Of course it is well known his grandfather at least beleived in idols. If Abdul Mutallib was a muslim why was Abu Lahab a staunch enemy of Prophet SAW, you think he was also an enemy of his own father and mother? (due to their monothiestic belief), it makes no sense.

"pure wombs" "chaste women" "noble lineage" etc can apply to non-believers aswell.

Now, let's also not forget why I brought this point up. It's because of this disease amongst the muslims where they begin believing in the caste system and elevating one group of muslims and attacking others.


One is 'a pure bloodline' and yet i know dozens and dozens of 'syeds' all over this country and in Pakistan who are open magicians and dogs.

If you mention this to a lot of shias and sufi types, they act like you've blasphemed if you point out that such and such person, is a massive **** because 'he is SYED!!!'

If you go to a Wahabi/Salafi type they'll say 'he is some hindu, he is lying about his lineage'

in otherwords, both sides cover up the simple truth, that a person can be from a very 'pure' bloodline but he can be a shaitaan of the highest order and vice versa.

I guarantee there are people from the tribe of Kalb who are probably better muslims than any of us and have no connection with the likes of Yazid. In Islam, no one comes from an 'accursed family tree' when we're all descendants of Adam AS and we should only respect one another on the merit of our actions towards one another rather than our lineage.

If you wish to continue believing in this unislamic caste/bloodline system then make no mistake, it's clearly NOT how the Prophet SAW taught us
Sunan Abu Dawood 4230
Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar: When we were sitting with the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), he talked about periods of trial (fitnahs), mentioning many of them. When he mentioned the one when people should stay in their houses, some asked him: Apostle of Allah, what is the trial (fitnah) of staying at home? He replied: It will be flight and plunder. Then will come a test which is pleasant. Its murkiness is due to the fact that it is produced by a man from the people of my house, who will assert that he belongs to me, whereas he does not, for my friends are only the God-fearing. Then the people will unite under a man who will be like a hip-bone on a rib. Then there will be the little black trial which will leave none of this community without giving him a slap, and when people say that it is finished, it will be extended. During it a man will be a believer in the morning and an infidel in the evening, so that the people will be in two camps: the camp of faith which will contain no hypocrisy, and the camp of hypocrisy which will contain no faith. When that happens, expect the Antichrist (Dajjal) that day or the next.

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Then among these hadith, we should take the ones that are in accordance with the Quran as we know our Prophet (pbuhf) told us which to take and which not to... IN that case, the 3 hadith which u have provided above and the ones from Endo are in accordance with the Quran (surah shua'ra aya 219) as given above by Endo and me... Remember when in Quran Prophet Abraham prayed to Allah for establishing prophethood in his offspring so what did God reply? He said it won't be for those who will be of the oppressors.. so even in the line of Abraham there were going to be the oppressors or the evil people and so the same goes for Abu Lahab from Bani Hashim...if one or two went astray doesn't mean this bloodline is flawed.. by chaste we mean chaste and not infallible remember that! If u really want to see an example of a son going against his father then take the example of Muaviya son of Yazid who was total opposite of his ancestors or the son of Noah a.s.. so yes there's possibility of a son going against his father.... and surprisingly u seem to be considering the whole Banu Umaya as real muslms meanwhile they are well known for the oppression they had done to the muslims.. just pick up any detailed Islamic history books and u will know that.. only among them two or some more were righteous including Umar bin Abdul Aziz...

As far as syeds are concerned, it depends on their actions whether they are honorable or not..as it is in the case of any other muslim from any caste...though there's no mention of syed being highter in the hierarchy of caste system but we shouldn't forget that we send blessings on Prophet(pbuhf) and his progeny in every salat... we respect others for the good they do n not for the bad they do.. Think about this while keeping the doings of Banu Umaya (of course not everyone from them) in ur mind... let them be judged by their actions.. and let Prophet's (pbuhf) ancestors be judged by their actions (wa taqallubaka fis sajideen)!!!

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I'm sorry but I don't remember any of these hadith contradicting the Quran. It is people's belief in this bogus caste system that does that.

All i was saying was don't call it a 'cursed family tree' because that's unislamic. your response to that, unfortunately is to claim i'm just praising the tree. You're talking as if the vast majority have all been evil when they haven't and of course you know that aswell, you mentioned the son of Yazid. There is good and bad in all.

Concerning the 'progeny of Prophet SAW'

Let's go back to Prophet Ibrahim AS for a second. If you've read the bible and know the true context, he was promised to be the 'father of many nations' and this prophecy was fulfilled through Islam. The first thing that happened was the jews (by that i mean the majority), due to their actions..were 'cut off' and were no longer considered a part Abraham, although Allah promised to leave a 'remnant' till the very end. Just like the son of Nuh AS was no longer part of his line. The hadith I posted above also proves a 'syed' who isn't God-fearing, has no connection to the Prophet SAW. Remember the practice of circumcision was for the children of Abraham, the fact that people from other bloodlines practice circumcision in Islam is because we're actually a part of Ahle-Ibrahim and that there is the fulfillment of the original promise 'father of many nations'.


Likewise many muslims consider 'ahle-Mohammad' to not just mean the immediate family of the Prophet SAW but in fact all TRUE momins, the pure believers. Of course we can't prove who is or who isn't but I promise you, it doesn't even matter since we both know Prophet SAW will be near those who deserved it on the merit of their belief and actions anyway. However when I recite durood-e-ibrahim I do it with the knowledge that i'm not actually praying for any little self-proclaimed 'syed' but only those who are worthy of the title.

Just as most jews were literally cut off, then it goes without saying a lot of syeds who do evil are also cut off. Yet you cannot prove this in the real world. The fact remains, if you walk around the muslim world, the most respected and feared group are the 'syeds' and there are plenty of bad ones. Just look at the Prime minister of Pakistan, Mr Gillani

ask yourself, when you recite Durood-e-Ibrahim are you praying for this **** and his ugly pathetic son? Syed in name only.

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molvicorleone wrote:
I'm sorry but I don't remember any of these hadith contradicting the Quran. It is people's belief in this bogus caste system that does that.

All i was saying was don't call it a 'cursed family tree' because that's unislamic. your response to that, unfortunately is to claim i'm just praising the tree. You're talking as if the vast majority have all been evil when they haven't and of course you know that aswell, you mentioned the son of Yazid. There is good and bad in all.

Concerning the 'progeny of Prophet SAW'

Let's go back to Prophet Ibrahim AS for a second. If you've read the bible and know the true context, he was promised to be the 'father of many nations' and this prophecy was fulfilled through Islam. The first thing that happened was the jews (by that i mean the majority), due to their actions..were 'cut off' and were no longer considered a part Abraham, although Allah promised to leave a 'remnant' till the very end. Just like the son of Nuh AS was no longer part of his line. The hadith I posted above also proves a 'syed' who isn't God-fearing, has no connection to the Prophet SAW. Remember the practice of circumcision was for the children of Abraham, the fact that people from other bloodlines practice circumcision in Islam is because we're actually a part of Ahle-Ibrahim and that there is the fulfillment of the original promise 'father of many nations'.


Likewise many muslims consider 'ahle-Mohammad' to not just mean the immediate family of the Prophet SAW but in fact all TRUE momins, the pure believers. Of course we can't prove who is or who isn't but I promise you, it doesn't even matter since we both know Prophet SAW will be near those who deserved it on the merit of their belief and actions anyway. However when I recite durood-e-ibrahim I do it with the knowledge that i'm not actually praying for any little self-proclaimed 'syed' but only those who are worthy of the title.

Just as most jews were literally cut off, then it goes without saying a lot of syeds who do evil are also cut off. Yet you cannot prove this in the real world. The fact remains, if you walk around the muslim world, the most respected and feared group are the 'syeds' and there are plenty of bad ones. Just look at the Prime minister of Pakistan, Mr Gillani

ask yourself, when you recite Durood-e-Ibrahim are you praying for this **** and his ugly pathetic son? Syed in name only.


I do agree with you regarding the syeds because there is a hadith of Prophet (pbuhf) that on Day of Judgement, a good doer will get his reward for his good deed even if it is a black Habshi and the evil doer will get the punishment of evil deed even if it is a Syed..I said this above that it depends on the deeds of the syed regarding his/her honour which applies to other muslims too.. Remember what Prophet (pbuhf) said in Hajjatul Wida? He said no black is superior to white and no white is superior to black.. only source of superiority is piety (taqwa). i dont disagree at all with you on the syeds.. i myself have witnessed many as such Mr Gillani.... that's what i have been trying to say from the beginning that not all Bani Umaya are cursed.... but it's used as a general term like the word Ahlal Kitab is used for Christians and Jews even if among them there are Associators.... I never said u praised any bloodline.. i said it's surprising that u even consider these oppressors (only) among Bani Umaya as muslims.. that's what i said...

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I didn't defend the oppressors bro. By oppressors you mean Yazid and the Sufiyani. Othe than these 2, i cannot speak for the rest that well because I don't know enough about the individuals. Of course, Assad is from that tribe isn't he? he's a **** too. However it goes without saying the majority can't be all that bad.

Anyway, all of this is now off-topic. Sufiyani's rise this month in Syria?

doubt it

where's the war in euphrates? let that happen then we'll talk.

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molvicorleone wrote:
I didn't defend the oppressors bro. By oppressors you mean Yazid and the Sufiyani. Othe than these 2, i cannot speak for the rest that well because I don't know enough about the individuals. Of course, Assad is from that tribe isn't he? he's a **** too. However it goes without saying the majority can't be all that bad.

Anyway, all of this is now off-topic. Sufiyani's rise this month in Syria?

doubt it

where's the war in euphrates? let that happen then we'll talk.


I highly doubt this too.. I think he will come after Assad leaves or forced to leave... and that could be about in a year maybe...

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Unread post Re: Sufyani's rise this month in Syria - Rajab 1433 - May 20
So OrganicQal should be insulted and abused but this rubbish tolerated and applauded?

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Unread post Re: Sufyani's rise this month in Syria - Rajab 1433 - May 20
molvicorleone wrote:
Yet above it mentions a lineage beginning from Adam AS to Nuh AS and Ibrahim AS. If this is true then why is it the father of Prophet Ibrahim AS was a clear kafir?


As you narrated some hadith so should you believe in them but when you think how these ahadith are true while the (azar) who was an ibrahim's father, was a clear kaffir
Right but did rasulollah PBUH makes mistake or allah do same ? neither - answer is , azar wasn't a ibrahim's really father, maybe a godfather

Look in these verses of holy quran the azar is an ibrahim's "Ab(أب)"

و إذ قال إبراهیم لأبیه آزر أ تتخذ أصناما آلهه إنی أراک و قومک فی ضلال مبین

إذ قال لأبیه یا أبت لم تعبد ما لا یسمع و لا یبصر

in the grammar of arabic, "ab"(أب) is not refering just to fathers, i mean sometimes (أب) may refer to uncle, godfather, father-in-law even to teacher also, Eg in holy quran we have verses which proves this matter :

<< أَمۡ كُنتُمۡ شُہَدَآءَ إِذۡ حَضَرَ يَعۡقُوبَ ٱلۡمَوۡتُ إِذۡ قَالَ لِبَنِيهِ مَا تَعۡبُدُونَ مِنۢ بَعۡدِى قَالُواْ نَعۡبُدُ إِلَـٰهَكَ وَإِلَـٰهَءَابَآٮِٕكَ إِبۡرَٲهِـۧمَ وَإِسۡمَـٰعِيلَ وَإِسۡحَـٰقَ إِلَـٰهً۬ا وَٲحِدً۬ا وَنَحۡنُ لَهُ ۥ مُسۡلِمُونَ  -

(Or were you witnesses when death approached Ya'qûb (Jacob)? When he said unto his sons, "What will you worship after me?" They said, "We shall worship your Ilâh [] (God - Allâh), the Ilâh (God) of your fathers, Ibrâhim (Abraham), Ismâ'il (Ishmael), Ishâq (Isaac), One Ilâh (God), and to Him we submit (in Islâm)(2:133) >>
In this verse however prophet ismael pbuh is a prophet jacob's uncle but his children answered , we'll worship your god and god of your fathers (أباء) ibrahim,ismael,issac.

Masoudi is saying : azar was a father of mother of ibrahim and astronomer of namroud and name of an ibrahim's father was a "tarokh" who was die when ibrahim was a kid and azar (ibrahim's grandfather from his mother) bacame an ibrahim's protector //Bihar v2p49 , so ibrahim was calling a him father (أب)

In hadith, um-al-salamah narrated from rasulollah PBUH about his fathers ;

... Adnan hoad bin adad bin al-yas bin al-ham bin salaman bin nabet bin hamel bin qidar bin ismael bin ibrahim bin tarokh bin tarookh bin sarugh bin ar'ava bin faliq bin abir bin hohud bin shalikh bin arfkhashd bin sam bin nooh bin lamok bin matushlakh bin akhnukh and he said akhnukh was edris bin yard bin mohlamill bin qinan bin anoosh bin shais bin adam // Tabarsi, fazl bin hasan, e'elam al-wara be a'alam al-hoda p 6

Tarokh remembered in torah

molvicorleone wrote:
Furthermore if Prophet SAW's ancestors were not Polythiests, then it obviously means his grandfather was also a believer aswell as his own father. Of course it is well known his grandfather at least beleived in idols. If Abdul Mutallib was a muslim why was Abu Lahab a staunch enemy of Prophet SAW, you think he was also an enemy of his own father and mother? (due to their monothiestic belief), it makes no sense.


About relation of abulahab and abdulmutallib , lionheart got a nice example of nooh and his son , was nooh a believer aswell as his own son (who was a god's enemy) ?

Verses of surit sho'ara (218 & 219) shows the soul of rasulollah PBUH was transferred from everyone who fall theist

Owww and etc

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