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molvicorleone wrote:

if you were being tossed and turned at sea, from the Mediterranean sea....you wouldn't end up in Britain.

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thats right!!! you wouldnt end up in britain you would probably end up in Turkey’s Sedir Island, aka Cleopatra Island...


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^ exactly. That's why i thought the red sea would be more obvious than the medeterrainian (still cant spell it)

Because of it's proximity to the indian ocean and its proximity to yemen.


With that I invite to have a second look to this Island far beyond the Yemeni Sea.

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Al-Jazirah Ath-thu'ban ar-rahib wa ad-dabbah al-halba' which means "Island of frightening snakes and hairy beasts"

It's called something else today; and oh......just so happens to be a major naval & airbase for the current NWO; many long range strategic bomber assets are strategically placed here, and learn how they literally and completely confiscated these Islands from the natives (puts the Zionist land grab in Palestine to shame) :roll: :roll: :roll:


Click here for more info: viewtopic.php?f=112&t=9637&hilit=delving+deeper+dajjal&start=25

Then again, with so many Dajjalopolises & Dajjal palaces set up around all around the world just waiting for the guy to come; to exactly know where Dajjal Island was becomes rather quaint at this juncture (don't matter much).


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you guys seemed to have missed an important point.

These men were Christians and we're talking about Byzantine Arabs. They would every business travelling through the Mediterranean and very little reason to travel through the Red Sea. The Byzantines at the time did very little business with the East. Keep in mind the Sassanids shared religions (or close to it) with the Indians....the Byzantines would not travel there.

Also, the Tribes were not residing in Yemen. The tribe originates from there but that's like my 'tribe' originating from north pakistan and living in the UK. Even the wikipedia link tells us

'The Banu Lakhm, or Lakhmids, are descendents from...............a Qahtanite Yemeni Arab tribe.'

So obviously bro asralfarhi you're wrong here.

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molvicorleone wrote:

'The Banu Lakhm, or Lakhmids, are descendents from...............a Qahtanite Yemeni Arab tribe.'

So obviously bro asralfarhi you're wrong here.


Do you honestly know exactly WHEN they made their move out of Yemen?

We're talking about their exploits as accomplished sailors many centuries before the birth of the Prophet sollallahu alaihi wa alihi wasallam.

[CONTEXT] here's the biggest giveaway; did Tamim Ad-Dari radiallahu anhu embarked on that journey as a Christian or already converted to Islam??? Banu Judham and Lakhm being originally Yemeni....how soon did the tribes of Yemen embraced Islam.

* note; even the Persian Sassanid governor of Yemen, Bazan embraced Islam DURING the lifetime of the blessed Prophet.

[remember Dajjal specifically asked him (Tamim Ad Dari) whether the Prophet has made the Hijrah to Yathrib]

<< addendum >> ok, I might have stretched a bit about Tamim Ad-Dari's embrace into Islam 9th year after Hijrah and stayed in Madinah for some time.....my bad

anyhow regarding Byzantine trade.....didn't the Quraish tribes engage in flourishing trade with the the Byzantine controlled Sham of which the Prophet himself as a young man joined one of these trade caravans to Sham?


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asralfarhi wrote:
molvicorleone wrote:

'The Banu Lakhm, or Lakhmids, are descendents from...............a Qahtanite Yemeni Arab tribe.'

So obviously bro asralfarhi you're wrong here.


Do you honestly know exactly WHEN they made their move out of Yemen?

We're talking about their exploits as accomplished sailors many centuries before the birth of the Prophet sollallahu alaihi wa alihi wasallam.

[CONTEXT] here's the biggest giveaway; did Tamim Ad-Dari radiallahu anhu embarked on that journey as a Christian or already converted to Islam??? Banu Judham and Lakhm being originally Yemeni....how soon did the tribes of Yemen embraced Islam.

* note; even the Persian Sassanid governor of Yemen, Bazan embraced Islam DURING the lifetime of the blessed Prophet.

[remember Dajjal specifically asked him (Tamim Ad Dari) whether the Prophet has made the Hijrah to Yathrib]


Bro he was definately a Christian at the time and the men he was with, also Christians. He converted later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamim_al-Dari
'Al-Dari confronted Muhammad to receive the revenues and after meeting him, al-Dari embraced Islam and settled in Medina.[1]'

Tbh with you, apart from the main hadith in question. I'm only just reading some of them now

for example, I didn't know this


(7) Fatima b. Qais reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sat on the pulpit and said: O people, tamim dari has reported to me that some persons of his tribe sailed in the ocean in a boat and it capsised and then some of them travelled on one of the planks of the boat and they went to an island in the ocean. The rest of the hadith is the same. (Book #041, Hadith #7031)

Tbh, i don't get the fitnah in arguing over the matter. I don't care about the location of the island.....it's irrelevant to me. Plus here's another thing

Who says dajjal is locked there until he is FINALLY let out?

'I am going to tell you about. myself and I am Dajjal and would be soon permitted to get out and so I shall get out and travel in the land, and will not spare any town where I would not stay for forty nights except Mecca and Medina as these two (places) are prohibited (areas) for me and I would not make an attempt to enter any one of these two.'

Now ask yourself this

aren't we told '37 days like your days'
here is says he stays for 40 nights in every town.

I believe Dajjal was already out long ago, he wasn't locked on that island for very long.....but his emergence is another matter. When he makes himself known.

I talked about this once here

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=18828&start=40

read this bit

In another rabbinic portion, based in part upon a scripture in the book of Lamentations, ["she has none to comfort (Menachem) of all her friends,"]6 the name of the Messiah is identified as Menachem Ben Ami-e1.7 Messiah, then, is clearly "alive and well" for the last nineteen hundred years, according to these rabbinic writings. His name is Menachem (the Comforter) Ben Amiel (God is with his People). He started to work around the great Mediterranean Sea. went to Samaria (Korah), then Rome and the ends of the world.


In an eleventh century rabbinic portion, we read:

Woe, for the salvation of Israel has perished! But a voice came from heaven saying,
Elijah, it is not as you think, but He will be 400 years in the great Sea, and eighty years with the Sons of Korah where the smoke ascends, and eighty years at Rome’s gate, and the rest of the years
He will travel about the great Cities until the end.


http://www.menorah.org/yitm17.html

These stories can't be a coincidence. Even though a lot of these writings are made up, what influenced them?

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Bismillahirahmaniraheem

apologies if this has already been posted but i just found this interesting Sohbet from my Sheikh Muhammad Nazim al Haqqani about the location of dajjal, it's from the 4th january and the full sohbet can be seen on saltanat.org

THE INDIAN OCEAN
' The Indian ocean is the most astonishing ocean. Bismillah r-Rahman r-Rahim. It is angry? Why? Because Dajjal (the Anti-Christ) is tied in an Island there. The Indian ocean is a very majestic sea because of it's anger against him. In it's calmest or quietest time it has waves of 3 meters. Your uncle was afraid of swimming in it too - Sheikh Mehmet Effendi (Sallamahu Allah). It is that powerful, astonishing! They can knock down a ship with one hit. Therefore, not anyone can swim in it, Mehmet Nazim. Because of it's anger against Dajjal, (hits) to there. It is furious. Because Dajjal will come claiming to be God, it wants to swallow him. The sea can't control it's anger. And the creatures in it, no other ocean has the kind and types of creatures that it has. It is the Indian ocean that has the most variety of creatures. Astonishing! It is astonishing.'


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Thanks for the heads up brother;

That Sohbet was quite recent too

Saltanat TV
Title: Hind Okyanusu (INDIAN OCEAN)
04- January-2012
http://www.saltanat.org/SaltanatTV/tabi ... fault.aspx

Read the rest of the transcript here:

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The Indian ocean is the most astonishing ocean.

Bismillah r-Rahman r-Rahim. It is angry? Why? Because Dajjal (the Anti-Christ) is tied in an Island there. The Indian ocean is a very majestic sea because of it's anger against him. In it's calmest or quietest time it has waves of 3 meters. Your uncle was afraid of swimming in it too - Sheikh Mehmet Effendi (Sallamahu Allah). It is that powerful, astonishing! They can knock down a ship with one hit. Therefore, not anyone can swim in it, Mehmet Nazim. Because of it's anger against Dajjal, (hits) to there. It is furious. Because Dajjal will come claiming to be God, it wants to swallow him. The sea can't control it's anger. And the creatures in it, no other ocean has the kind and types of creatures that it has. It is the Indian ocean that has the most variety of creatures. Astonishing! It is astonishing. Allahu Akbar! In Africa, South Africa they took us to where the two oceans meet (Cape of good hope), Indian ocean and Atlantic ocean.

The Atlantic ocean goes up from this side. That ocean's majesty is astonishing, the Indian ocean. It is the ocean of India. When it hits the rockes, it goes up the rocks, like this. (The waves) all white, constantly hitting, anger! Astonishing! And this strange creature also was discovered now. It confirms us, too. It is astonishing knowledge. Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! This one sleeps, this one is awake and it is angry, constantly hitting against the shore. Maybe waves as high as minaret hit against this side of Africa. The other ocean sleeps on the other side. We seek refuge in Allah. Shukr ya Rabbi, shukr Alhamdulillah. Subhan Al Malik Al Mulk, Subhan Al Malik Al Mulk. Allahu Akbarul Akbar. Al-Azamatu lillah. Al-Azamatu lillah.

It is said, when the soldiers of Islam were moving, they would say, "Al-Azamatu lillah". Al-Azamatu ya Allah! Allah! What we are saying is not even a spot in His Dominions. The oceans..dominions..no one knows about the dominions. Allahu Akbarul Akbar! Allah! Aman ya Rabbi, tawba ya Rabbi. I seek refuge in You, from Your Wrath. Astaghfirullah.

Bismillah r-Rahman r-Rahim. Wa min Allahi tawfiq. May Allah increase our knowledge. Ma'rifatu Allah (knowlege of Allah). The matters that we are speaking are not even a spot in Ma'rifatullah. Allahu Akbarul Akbar! They asked that..Italian? That Italian professor is my age. They are asking him, that he is a professor of physics making research about space. They are making him, "is there a limit to this universe or not? Does it have an edge?" He says, "No, there is not." "Does it have an end?" "No, there is no end to it." Therefore, I had it put in the (Saltanat) magazine. Astonishing. Astonishing. Astonishing. Another professor who is also in this field (physics) has brought me something. Show it to the doctor, that he may get surprised. He came here to see me, as well. He brought me his book and the pic. Allahu Akbar.

I said, we are not even a little spot (in this). But what He has granted..astaizubillah "wa laqad karramna bani Adama" (17:70). There is a Divine honoring. Our volume is at zero point. Can't go beyond zero. But the understanding Allah Almighty has granted by honoring, takreem. Takreem (honoring) is not according to the size of our apparent body size. There is a reality that is granted to us, to mankind. Because of this honoring at this point, man looks with that understanding. It can't be achieved by reading, no! Allahu Akbarul Akbar. You are Subhan, You are Sultan O our Lord! May Allah forgive us. Tawba ya Rabbi, tawba ya Rabbi. (Moulana does dua) Fatiha. Allah Allah, Subhan Allah, Sultan Allah.

La awwala lah wala akhira lah, Allah Almighty has no beginning no end, Azaliyyun Abadiyyun. "Yakhluqu ma yasha'u" "Allah creates what He wills" (3:47). Minal Azalil Al Abadi, Khaliq, He is repeatedly, incessantly creating. His creating does not stop. What He is creating are creatures. Allah Almighty Himself is Kahliq Al Azim, (Greatest Creator) still creating. They don't know the number, the limit nor the kinds of what He is creating, Doctor. Look, mankind looks so small like a finger, in this. But He grants an understanding and is sending Holy Quran. "Wama qadaru Al-laha Haqqa qadrihi wal ardu jami'aan qabdatuhu yawma al-qiyamat" "They made not a just estimate of Allah such as is due to Him. And on the Day of Resurrection the whole earth will be grasped in His Hand", (39:67). Allah Allah. Allahu Akbar! Thanks to Allah. Thanks to Allah that He has granted us understanding. Our volume is at zero point. But look at the understanding He granted!

What understanding an ant has for the world? An ant also has an understanding. It has an understanding, too. It is granted an understanding to know about itself, and to do what it has to do. Every creatures of His has an understanding. There is no creature that does not have an understanding. But that understanding is within their limits. They can't go over that limit. If they do, they disappear. They are gone. An ant also has (an understanding). Astonishing! O our Lord! Tawba ya Rabbi, tawba astaghfirullah.

How foolish are we, how foolish is our situation! (Distances) are in trillion (light) years in their (literature). The speed of light in trillion years, quadrillion years, quintillion years, sextillion years. Where can you find them (in this huge space if they disappear)? If the speed of light was 300 million km/s instead of 300,000 km/s then these (distances) would be in trillions to the power of trillions, quadrillion to the power of quadrillion, sextillion to the power of sextillion. Man is in zero point in front of His Majesty. You are Great, O our Lord. Ya Rabbi Shukr. Ya Azimush Shan, O Magnificient Lord!

Because Allah Almighty has honored man who is so small in this (big picture) he has the ability to understand. We understand within our limits. One can't enter Allah's limits! O our Lord, You know. You can't find a limit to the Paradises (Jannat). Paradise, this is granted to you now, today. This paradise does not last that long, till tomorrow. Meaning, the paradise granted to mankind doesn't resemble the dominions of dunya. What are the limits of paradise? The paradise granted to you has opened the next day, or the next moment. It has expanded. The paradise of the next day exceeds that one in size, million times. That one remains like spot compared to it. The power granted to man..Allahu Akbarul Akbar.

And these little men are fighting for dunay, "this is yours, this is mine!" Leave that! leave! Don't fight for it. Why do you struggle for it? What will you get? What is the chair you are sitting on? A seat, a chair or a throne. What will it bring to you? A person can die where he sits within a moment. Look to hereafter! Look to the Dominions of Allah, look to His promise (waad al Subhani). So many promises for us. Why don't you look to these? Why do you fight, trying to crush, kill each other, oppress one another. Allah Almighty does not accept oppression. Shame on you, O our leaders! You are granted the highest position so that you may be thankful to Allah and protect His servants, make them happy. But you crush them, shame on you! May you vanish! You are man, he is man too! When you become a president, you will eat the whole pot? They will put in front of you huge pots? Here, this man has saved 20 tons of gold and hid it. What benefit does it have? It can be 20,000 tons, instead of 20. It can be 20 million, 20 billions tons of gold. 20 trillion tons of gold. There it is. The mountains may turn to gold. "This is mine", what will you do with it? What a greed is this? Why are you so greedy? Here all you can eat is one plate. Allah Almighty makes you full (with one plate).

What is Qarun? Qarun is even lower than zero! Therefore, we are explaining with examples. Even if you had million x million, billion x billion, trillion x trillion tons of gold, what is it? What benefit can it give you? What is this shamelessness of mankind now? Foolish and sneaky people. They are foolish and sneaky at the same time. For what? They will save dunya. What benefit does it have for you? What good can saving dunya do for you? Why don't you look ahead, to what Allah Almighty will grant you? Allah Almighty did not create what He created because He was in need of them. He does not need. Allah (swt) is the Absolute Self Sufficient, Al Ghaniyy Al Mutlaq.

Why do you struggle then? He has saved 20 tons of gold, who they call Qaddafi he is a servant of Allah. He left him to people, for it to be a lesson for men. They broke him, killed him and threw him away! If they didn't break him in dunya, then when he went to his grave (angels) will break him in every moment. Subhan Allah, Sultan Allah. Forgive us. May You send us from Your Beloved servants who will advise us that we may change and get disciplined. We may get disciplined and our hearts may be filled with Your light, Noor.

..So many things to come after it, he said meatballs with parsley will come (joke).

Sometimes They make me speak. If I said anything wrong, your scholars may correct me. The scholars from East to West may correct me, if they say I am wrong. One of them may come out and say, " what this Shaykh says is not right". His life may be taken till that morning. (Mawlana sings). If angels heard me in their Heavenly Duty their glorification (tasbih) does not resemble another one! They are not like us. The glorification, tasbih, that comes in every moment is different. You are the Lord! You are the Subhan, O our Lord! What can we do? We are left here like a donkey here. We got tired. May Allah forgive us. Fatiha. Aman ya Rabbi, what an ocean is this, O doctor? Is it not, O Shaykh Mehmet Effendi? Pre-eternal up to eternal, it is not an easy matter.


It's interesting enough that the Shaykh would mention the Gold hoarding tendencies of foolish men in light of the recent disclosures regarding the true extent / amount of gold stashed away (suppressed/black marketed) by people to make way for the Riba' laden funny money paper currencies deal (i.e; White Dragon Society thread)

THE MANIFESTATION OF A MOUNTAIN OF GOLD SPROUTING UP IS AN IMPORTANT SIGN FOR US LIVING IN THESE END TIMES :think:


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Bismillahirahmaniraheem

apologies if this has already been posted but i just found this interesting Sohbet from my Sheikh Muhammad Nazim al Haqqani about the location of dajjal, it's from the 4th january and the full sohbet can be seen on saltanat.org



sorry to say this but i cant expect anything serious from this nazim guy...he is probably one of dajjals agents pretending to be somebody whom he is not


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alladin212 wrote:
Obeid wrote:
Bismillahirahmaniraheem

apologies if this has already been posted but i just found this interesting Sohbet from my Sheikh Muhammad Nazim al Haqqani about the location of dajjal, it's from the 4th january and the full sohbet can be seen on saltanat.org



sorry to say this but i cant expect anything serious from this nazim guy...he is probably one of dajjals agents pretending to be somebody whom he is not



I find it amazing how arrogant you can be to suggest such a disgusting thing, to backbite and slander a well respected teacher of Islam, a man who has taught literally millions to recite the shahada. If you think this is the sort of man who could be an agent of dajjal i feel sorry for you when dajjal actually appears. I pray that Allah guides you to Haqq and clears up your confusion, so you won't become an agent of dajjal yourself.


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Someone said it is irrelevant to talk about where the island would be, to which I partially agree, because I believe, in light of Imran Hossein's speeches, when talking about the island you cannot but help to talk about certain physics (even quantum properties), which will only theorize and theorize. However, let me do something bold (where, sadly, less than few are willing to go).

Has anyone seen........the television show 'Lost'?

Smoke monster wanting to leave the island:
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I followed this show a few years ago and I noticed something interesting. The island itself had such properties that it shifts through time to the point that it phases out on a different frequency of our dimension. But once in a while it would phase into the same dimension we are living it (most of the time) within a small window. Could such a thing explain the unique properties Imran Hossein is talking about? Food for thought.

We can see that around the 19th latitude there are disturbances at several planets.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTZLdIlb-jI

(Look at 19:30) (lol just realize that's around 19,5 as well haha)

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Tetrahedral mathematics. At earth, Mauna Loa would be at the 19,5th latitude. Red spot at Jupiter, etc, etc. It's even at our sun, greates sunspots are at that latitudes, either north or south. What is the energy dynamic behind this?

After reading Shaykh Nazim's text, something spiked my interest. He talked about the ocean being angry and being very vivid.

"It is furious. Because Dajjal will come claiming to be God, it wants to swallow him. The sea can't control it's anger."

We all know that quran verses can have multiple meanings, based on ones own spiritual state.

Could Dajjal's Island be connected to the 19,5th?

74:35 "This is but one of the mighty (portents)" (referring to verse 30)

What could be a connection??

"A warning to mankind." 74:36?

It is my personal opinion that the island of Dajjal could be at/around the 19th latitude of the south.

Just search along the 19th degree.
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WOW bro mashaAllah! This is exactly the kind of possibility i had in mind when the news of this island started.

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Salaams bro Asralfarhi could you find me the english text version of this sohbet?

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@bro Molvi, Click on the spoiler button of my post.


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@bro Soelaiman,

I'm still looking high and low :think: where I've made a post on WUP about the LOST episode when the island actually 'disappears'.....err, teleported it seems;



.....but that Tamim Ad Dari meet with Dajjal Hadith is very intriguing in the sense the Prophet sollallahu alaihi wasallam ended with this bizarre statement;

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Behold he (Dajjal) is in the Syrian sea (Mediterranian) or the Yemen sea (Arabian sea). Nay, on the contrary, he is in the east, he is in the east, he is in the east.' and he pointed with his hand towards the east.


....half way thru, that's a BIG 'nay' & what's the real deal about repeating 'he is in the east' 3X :?:

<< addendum : the number three (3) is surely triangle/tetrahedron connected, know what i'm sayin? >>


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.....but that Tamim Ad Dari meet with Dajjal Hadith is very intriguing in the sense the Prophet sollallahu alaihi wasallam ended with this bizarre statement;

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Behold he (Dajjal) is in the Syrian sea (Mediterranian) or the Yemen sea (Arabian sea). Nay, on the contrary, he is in the east, he is in the east, he is in the east.' and he pointed with his hand towards the east.


....half way thru, that's a BIG 'nay' & what's the real deal about repeating 'he is in the east' 3X :?:

<< addendum : the number three (3) is surely triangle/tetrahedron connected, know what i'm sayin? >>


It sounds like he was emphasizing the east as either being where the island actually is, and/or where the Dajjal was at that particular time, and/or where the Dajjal would actually appear from so the people he was talking to, would not expect the Dajjal to actually appear/rise from any of those seas.

However, based on what you have posted about the Dajjal from Muhammad Isa Dawud, I'm curious as to why, in that story of Tamim ad-Dari, is the Dajjal chained up and completely aware of what his destiny is, when this was not so in what you had translated from Muhammad Isa Dawud. In what you translated from Muhammad Isa Dawud, he was free to come and go on the island as he pleased, and did not know what his ultimate destiny was. So at what point was he chained and told all of this?

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However, based on what you have posted about the Dajjal from Muhammad Isa Dawud, I'm curious as to why, in that story of Tamim ad-Dari, is the Dajjal chained up and completely aware of what his destiny is, when this was not so in what you had translated from Muhammad Isa Dawud. In what you translated from Muhammad Isa Dawud, he was free to come and go on the island as he pleased, and did not know what his ultimate destiny was. So at what point was he chained and told all of this?


To answer this question, you'd have to understand the word 'JASSASAH'
What else do we know other than, yes - it's a hairy walking & talking being, it's female?

Perhaps this makes things a little clearer [Allah's command to the believers]
'WA LA TUJASSISOO'

means - do not 'SPY'

So what is the main function of all the three lettered SPYING Agencies all around the world?
Obviously to GATHER STRATEGIC INTELLIGENCE/INFORMATION;

I think Muhammad Isa Dawud's account was clear that whilst Dajjal is being chained on to that Island, the Jassasah dutifully conveyed information/intelligence to Dajjal. Otherwise how would Dajjal be asking Tamim Ad-Dari the three odd questions about water? Events that have not taken place - even in this timeline.


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To answer this question, you'd have to understand the word 'JASSASAH'
What else do we know other than, yes - it's a hairy walking & talking being, it's female?

Perhaps this makes things a little clearer [Allah's command to the believers]
'WA LA TUJASSISOO'

means - do not 'SPY'

So what is the main function of all the three lettered SPYING Agencies all around the world?
Obviously to GATHER STRATEGIC INTELLIGENCE/INFORMATION;

I think Muhammad Isa Dawud's account was clear that whilst Dajjal is being chained on to that Island, the Jassasah dutifully conveyed information/intelligence to Dajjal. Otherwise how would Dajjal be asking Tamim Ad-Dari the three odd questions about water? Events that have not taken place - even in this timeline.


I see. So the "Jassasah" relays information about world events to the Dajjal, while he is chained on the island.

So then when, why and by who, was the Dajjal actually chained up on the island? Based on what Muhammad Isa Dawud has said, it seems to have taken place sometime between the time of Prophet 'Eyssa and the time of Prophet Muhammad. He was not chained up on the island during the time of Prophet 'Eyssa, but he was chained up on the island during the time of Prophet Muhammad. However, no information about the circumstances of the event of him being chained up was provided. Could you please shed more light on this?

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I have been looking into this in the Preparation: Dajjal thread in the Characters of the End Times section. I am going to take the liberty of posting my findings here, granted, some of what I have found will already have been covered here - other bits, maybe not. So here goes:

I went back to basics and was contemplating the "island of Dajjal" possibiliies, which in turn led to determining what Islands would fall in the Persian Gulf - as this is the region where the Island of Dajjal was reported to have been from Tamim ud Dari's account of his famous month long voyage.

Although it is widely believed that the Island is located somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle (most likely Easter Island) - I think there are other, just as viable possibilities to consider.

The Hadith of Tamim Ad-Dari (Sahih Muslim)

Fatimah-bint-Qais reported, "I heard the proclaimer of the Messenger of Allah(pbuh) proclaiming (for) 'Congregational Prayer'. I went to the mosque and prayed with the Prophet(pbuh). When he finished his prayer, he sat upon the pulpit smiling and said, 'Let every man remain in his seat.' He then asked, 'Do you know why I have called you together?' They replied, 'Allah and his Messenger know best.' The Prophet(pbuh) said, 'By Allah, I have not called you together for hope or for fear, I have called you together because Tamim ad- Dari who was a Christian, came and embraced Islam.

He narrated a story to me, which agreed with the account I had given to you about the Dajjal. He informed me that he had embarked upon a sea-boat with thirty men of Lakhm and Jozam. Then the sea waves played with them for a month and threw them on to an island when the sun was about to set. They sat in a small side boat and landed on the Island. A beast with very coarse hair met them. They could not tell its front from its back due to its excessive hair. They asked, 'Woe to thee! Who art thou?" It replied, 'I am a spy. Go to this man in the monastery, as he is eager to receive the information you bring.

' Tamim Dari said, 'When it named a man for us, we fled away from it lest it might be the devil. Then we hurriedly went on until we entered the monastery and found a big-bodied man whom we had never seen before. He was firmly tied up, his hands tied to his neck, the place between his knees, and joints tied up with iron chains.' We asked, 'Woe to thee! What are thou?' He replied, 'You have the power to get my information. Inform me about yourselves.'

They replied, 'We are people from Arabia, we embarked upon a sea boat, but the sea waves played with us for a month and threw us onto this island. A beast of coarse hairs met us and said, 'I am a spy. Go to the man in the monastery.' So we approached you hurriedly. He asked, 'Tell me about the trees of Baisan. Do they bear fruit?.' 'Yes' We replied. He said, 'Behold! Soon they will not yield fruit.' He asked, 'Inform me of the lake of Tiberias. Is there water in it?' We replied, 'It is full of water.' He informed us, 'Soon its water will disappear.' He then asked, 'Inform me of the fountain of Zugara. Is there water in it and do its inhabitants irrigate with the water of the fountain?' 'Yes, it is full of water and it's inhabitants irrigate from its water. He asked, 'Inform me of the Prophet of the illiterates. What does he do?' We said, 'He has just come out of Makkah and gone to Yathrib.' He asked, 'Have the Arabs fought with him?' 'Yes' We replied. He asked, 'How did he treat them' We informed him that he had got the upper hand of those of the Arabs who opposed him and they obeyed him. He said, 'Behold! It is better for them if they obey him. As for myself I am certainly the Anti-Christ and it is near that an order will be passed for me to come out. I shall then come out and travel the world. I shall leave no village at which I shall not land within 40 nights except Makkah and Taibah, which will be forbidden to me. Whenever I wish to enter one of the two, an angel with a sword in his hand will encounter me and prevent me therefrom. There will be angels on every side to guard it. The apostle of Allah(pbuh) struck his pulpit with his staff and said, 'This is Taibah meaning Madinah. Behold! Did I not tell you?' 'Yes' they replied. 'Behold, he is in the Syrian sea or sea of Yemen; no, rather he is from the eastern direction. He then pointed out with his hand to wards the East.'



From where did Tamim ad-Dari and his crew sail?

This part of the hadith sheds some light on the issue:

The Prophet(pbuh) said, "By Allah, I have not called you together for hope or for fear, I have called you together because Tamim ad- Dari who was a Christian, came and embraced Islam."

This part of the hadith clearly shows that Tamim ad-Dari narrated his story about the the island of the Dajjal to the Prophet (Pbuh) the same day he came to Arabia to embrace Islam. Thus he and his crew could not have sailed from Saudi Arabia, but from their homeland.


So we need to know where was Tamim's homeland located:

"He informed me that he had embarked upon a sea-boat with thirty men of Lakhm and Jozam."

Tamim ad-Dari sailed with men from the tribes of Banu-Lakhm and Jozam.

The evidence suggests that Tamim ad-Dari himself was a Lakhmide, from the tribe of Banu-Lakhm. Tamim is described by the Prophet as a Christian who came to embrace Islam, thus, we can conclude that he was from The Banu Lakhm tribe which was a Christian tribe located in modern day Kufa, Iraq.

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The Christian Banu-Lakhm were settled around Al-Hirah, in the southern part of Iraq:

The Persian Gulf is the closest destination for Banu Lakhm to sail from. This is why the Prophet said that the Dajjal is in the east, he pointed towards the Persian Gulf which is in the east of Saudi Arabia. This is also the most likely place for the Banu Lakhm to from in order to trade with the other nations.

Some information on the Banu Lakhm Tribe:

"The Lakhmids were originally a Bedouin tribal kingdom ruled by the Banu Lakhm, hence the name Lakhmids. According to tradition, the founder of the dynasty was 'Amr, whose son Imru' al-Qays died in AD 328 and was entombed at Al-Nimarah in the Syrian desert. His funerary inscription is written in an extremely difficult type of script. Recently there has been a revival of interest in the inscription, and controversy has arisen over its precise implications. One thing that is certain is that Imru' al-Qays claimed the title "king of all the Bedouin" and claimed to have campaigned successfully over the entire north and centre of the peninsula, as far as the border of Najran.

According to Muslim sources, it is said that he was given by the Sassanid king Shapur II a "governorship" over the Bedouin of northeast Arabia, being charged with the task of restraining their incursions into Sassanid territory. Later kings of the dynasty settled themselves in that area, at Al-Hirah on the Euphrates in southern Iraq. They were rivals to the Ghassanids who were subject kings of the Sassanids rivals, the Byzantine Empire. The kingdom's subjects were composed of a mix of Arabs and Arameans. The kingdom was also a major centre of Nestorian Christianity. They remained influential throughout the 6th century, and only in 602AD was the last Lakhmid king, Nu'man ibn al-Mundhir, put to death by the Sassanid king Khosrau II and the kingdom dissolved."



The Prophet (pbuh) said: 'Behold, he (The Dajjal) is in the Syrian sea or sea of Yemen; no, rather he is from the eastern direction. He then pointed out with his hand to wards the East.'

Thus we should look towards the East of Saudi Arabia, in fact - East of Madina to be precise, since the hadeeth starts off with the words "this is Taibah (Madina)" clearly indicatinf that the prophet pbuh was in Madina when he spoke of the location of the Island.

Many little islands can be found in the Persian Gulf.

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However, these Islands were inhabited during the lifetime of the Prophet pbuh and the iIsland of dajjal was not inhabited...

The following pic shows us what east of Arabia means, when we follow the line of sight from Arabia, through the Persian Gulf, and onwards (click spoiler):

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One of the following islands could very well be the Island of the Dajjal that Tamim ad-Dari and his crew visited:

* Amwaj Islands
* Bahrain Island
* Hawar Islands
* Jidda Island
* Muharraq Island
* Nabih Saleh
* Sitra
* Umm an Nasan
* Umm as Sabaan
* Abbasak
* Abu Musa Island
* Buneh Island
* Dara Island
* Farsi Island
* Forur Bozorg Island
* Forur Koochak Island
* Forurgan Island
* Germ Island
* Greater and Lesser Tunbs
* Hendurabi Island
* Hengam Island
* Hormuz Island
* Jonobi Island
* Kharg Island or Khark island
* Kish Island
* Larak Island
* Kharku Island
* Dara,Island
* Se Dandan
* Lavan Island
* Minu Island
* Omolkarm Island
* Polour
* Qabre Nakhoda Island
* Qeshm Island
* Qeys Island
* Rostam Island
* Shatvar Island
* Sheikh Shoeyb Island
* Shif Island
* Sirri Island
* Shomali Island
* Smaller Bent Island
* Auhah Island
* Bubiyan Island
* Failaka Island
* Kubbar Island
* Miskan Island
* Qaruh Island
* Umm al Maradim Island
* Umm an Namil Island
* Warbah Island
* Tarout
* Das
* Dalma
* Arzanah


Many of theses Islands had Monasteries built on them during Tamim ad-Dari's era. Ancient Monasteries can be found in different Islands of the Persian Gulf (visit Wikipedia) But these Islands are unlikely to house the location of the Monastery where Dajjal was chained up, due to the fact that these Islands were populated.

Dajjal will emerge from the East: Isfahan, Persia: This should make sense, if the Dajjal was in an Island in the Persian Gulf, the closest destination is Persia:

The Prophet (PBUH) said: "The Dajjal will be followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan wearing Persian shawls." (Muslim)

Interesting stuff. Maybe we've been looking in the wrong direction all along? Allah knows best, but I do not think that the Islands within the Persian Gulf qualify, for the same reason as Asralfarhi does. And I also - like him and JWPDX, think that the greater possibility resides within the Indian Ocean.

As we can see from this shot here:

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That it would seem highly unlikey for Tamim ud Dari to get lost within the 'cul de sac' of the Persian Gulf! However, once the ship leaves the mouth of the Persian Gulf, the open sea and the ocean are there... and this is where I believe we have a much higher likelihood of the Island being placed. The Indian Ocean.

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The expanse of the Indian Ocean seems like a much higher possibility for the location of the island, when compared to the Bermuda triangle - if we are following the hadeeth of the Prophet pbuh, in which he (pbuh) mentioned the following:

"'This is Taibah (meaning Madinah). Behold! Did I not tell you?' 'Yes' they replied. 'Behold, he is in the Syrian sea or sea of Yemen; no, rather he is from the eastern direction. He then pointed out with his hand to wards the East.'

East of Madina (mentioned as Taibah):

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Islands in the Indian Ocean:

West of India
Agalega (Mauritius)
Banc du Geyser (France)
Bassas da India (France)
Bazaruto Archipelago (Mozambique)
Cargados Carajos (Mauritius)
Chagos Archipelago (Inc. Diego Garcia) (UK)
Comoros
Europa Island (France)
Glorioso Islands (France)
Juan de Nova Island (France)
Lakshadweep Archipelago (India)
Lamu Archipelago (Kenya)
Madagascar
Mafia Island (Tanzania)
Maldives
Mauritius
Mayotte (France)
Pemba (Tanzania)
Quirimbas Archipelago (Mozambique)
Réunion (France)
Rodrigues (Mauritius)
Seychelles
Socotra Island (Yemen)
Tromelin Island (France)
Zanzibar (Tanzania)


Southern Indian Ocean

(South of Madagascar - Not really viable for consideration due to geographical locations of said Islands below)
Amsterdam Island (France)
Crozet Islands (France)
Heard Island and McDonald Islands (Australia)
Kerguelen Islands (France)
Prince Edward Islands (South Africa)
Saint-Paul Island (France)


Original Posts here: http://www.wup-forum.com/viewtopic.php? ... 28#p278528

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